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[The Emperor of Mankind]

This is oft repeated, but not supported by actual quotes from Trump.

Here he stereotypes Mexicans in America as rapists. He says "I assume some are good people". Not 'most', "some". He is at the very least implying that the rest are rapists. "They're sending people that have lots of problems and they're bringing those problems with us" which makes it sound as though there's some grand conspiracy - probably involving the Mexican government.

Hillary had her KKK support too.
If this proves Donald is a racist, then does it prove she's one too?

Sure. How high in the KKK does her support go? Does it go to Imperial Wizard or higher? Just curious. What is it exactly about Hillary that the KKK likes, do you know?

You're pointing out things which are definitely bias confirming,
but they're not convincing anyone outside the LW echo chamber.

I'm pointing out things that fit the definition of racism. It probably won't convince anyone inside the Trumpet echo chamber who can just tune out the racism because it won't affect them personally.

 

[Revoltingest]

Here he stereotypes Mexicans in America as rapists. He says "I assume some are good people". Not 'most', "some". He is at the very least implying that the rest are rapists. "They're sending people that have lots of problems and they're bringing those problems with us" which makes it sound as though there's some grand conspiracy - probably involving the Mexican government.

If you actually listened to his speech, he's not referring to all Mexicans.
He very specifically refers to those sent here, ie, the illegal aliens.
You fell for the Democratic campaign trick, which is to alter the quote from
what he actually said to something reflecting how they feel about it.

They're currently doing this to Breitbart. They provide no articles to
support their claim, but I do often hear evidence like "it has been said".
No s***....I've actually heard the quoted words.
Who said it?
Exactly what was said?
When?
They always leave that inconvenient part out.

Sure. How high in the KKK does her support go? Does it go to Imperial Wizard or higher? Just curious. What is it exactly about Hillary that the KKK likes, do you know?

I didn't keep track of their rank.
You'd have to ask KKK members why they like her.
But it could be that she has an authoritarian streak which they see as useful.

I'm pointing out things that fit the definition of racism. It probably won't convince anyone inside the Trumpet echo chamber who can just tune out the racism because it won't affect them personally.

"Mexican" & "Muislim" are not races, no matter how hard the media try to redefine the word.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

If you actually listened to his speech, he's not referring to all Mexicans.
He very specifically refers to those sent here, ie, the illegal aliens.
You fell for the Democratic campaign trick, which is to alter the quote from
what he actually said to something reflecting how they feel about it.

What's the distinguishing feature between a Mexican in the States illegally and one who entered legally? How do they look different? How do you imagine someone who views Mexicans as a group (not necessarily Trump, one of his supporters, maybe) will be able to distinguish an 'illegal' Mexican from a 'legal' Mexican by looking at them?

I didn't keep track of their rank.
You'd have to ask KKK members why they like her.
But it could be that she has an authoritarian streak which they see as useful.

So nothing specific about Clinton's policies then. On the subject of unevidenced claims, have you got a source for this?

"Mexican" & "Muislim" are not races, no matter how hard the media try to redefine the word.

Encouraging prejudice against Mexicans encourages prejudice against Latinos (which is a race) generally. Do you think racist Trumpets will give two ****s about whether a Latino is from Mexico or whether they're in the States legally (would they take a Latino's word for it?) or not?

If you'd prefer, I could swap out 'racist' and put 'xenophobia' in its place. Would that be more suitable to you?

 

[Scuba Pete]

Yep, protestors are filled with hate and enough of their own brand of bigotry

Oh snap... dude, they are angry and they are protesting against hate and intolerance. Do they hate bigotry? Sure. Does that make them bigots? No, but wouldn't that be convenient for all those neo-nazis. What do you call them: bigotists? If that's the case, I'm a class A bigotist and damn proud of it. Watch me run rampant with bigotism. No bigot should ever feel safe with me around! I think we should burn swastikas in their yards and deport the lot of 'em back to Bigotstania. Too bad it's a state of mind and not a geographical location.

 

[Revoltingest]

What's the distinguishing feature between a Mexican in the States illegally and one who entered legally? How do they look different? How do you imagine someone who views Mexicans as a group (not necessarily Trump, one of his supporters, maybe) will be able to distinguish an 'illegal' Mexican from a 'legal' Mexican by looking at them?

The one's who enter legally will be a lower crime risk, having passed the vetting process.
But since Trump's speech addressed illegals, one should infer what he said of them to be
limited to them alone.

So nothing specific about Clinton's policies then. On the subject of unevidenced claims, have you got a source for this?

In her "unprecedented co-presidency" (Bills words), they passed the Crime Bill which incarcerated humongous numbers of black guys. No doubt the KKK loved this.

Source?
Is it really necessary for me to inform people of the well known Crime Bill & its effects?
This is common knowledge....like the Earth orbiting around the Moon....or is it the other way around?
http://www.politifact.com/punditfac...lives-matter-activist-says-clintons-passed-p/

Encouraging prejudice against Mexicans encourages prejudice against Latinos (which is a race) generally. Do you think racist Trumpets will give two ****s about whether a Latino is from Mexico or whether they're in the States legally (would they take a Latino's word for it?) or not?
If you'd prefer, I could swap out 'racist' and put 'xenophobia' in its place. Would that be more suitable to you?

It would be a big improvement.
But is Hillary better?
She's certainly slicker in her campaigning.
But her undertones of sexism (against males) & racism (against white males) is there.
Haven't you noticed how her minions, eg, Obama, always complain about those uneducated white males supporting Trump? How about shaming women who didn't want to vote for Hillary?
Bigotry is wrong, be it against disadvantaged or non-disadvantaged groups.

Is the fundamental problem here that even Democrats dislike Hillary?
When she's criticized, they just cannot defend her.
(You know...the corruption, the incompetence, the uninspiring scripted speechifying.)
So they must lash out at the enemy, ie, the voters who brought her down.
I recommend grief counselling.

 

[Scuba Pete]

"Mexican" & "Muislim" are not races, no matter how hard the media try to redefine the word.

Hating them is still bigotry. No matter how hard you try to justify that hate.

He very specifically refers to those sent here, ie, the illegal aliens.

This is naught but revisionism. The criminals in Mexico have no reason to leave. They are thriving off the backs of the people desperately wanting to leave. If you think that Trump really cared about the wall, then why has it been downgraded to a fence already? He appealed to the bigots and the closet bigots with his speech. It was a calculated gambit to fool YOU. It worked. Now we have a bully bigot in the white house and the fidiots who elected him are trying to justify their actions. There's just no justifying that.

 

[Scuba Pete]

The one's who enter legally will be a lower crime risk, having passed the vetting process.

Citation needed.

Bigotry is wrong, be it against disadvantaged or non-disadvantaged groups.

Then why vote for Trump? Why defend his brand of bigotry? Why normalize that bigotry and make it acceptable? Now we have kids in our schools chanting "White Power" and "Build that wall" with near impunity. Is that what you want? Xenophobia and white supremacy taught in our schools as being OK?

 

[Revoltingest]

Hating them is still bigotry. No matter how hard you try to justify that hate.

That's at least more accurate.
But we do have a real problem with a very porous southern border.
And this is a direct cause of crime there.
t's why border patrol agents supported Trump.
http://www.bpunion.org/index.php/ne...l-council-endorses-donald-trump-for-president
(The ACLU had a doozy of a conniption fit over this.)

This is naught but revisionism. The criminals in Mexico have no reason to leave.

You'll have to take their motives up with them.

They are thriving off the backs of the people desperately wanting to leave. If you think that Trump really cared about the wall, then why has it been downgraded to a fence already?

It never was a Game Of Thrones type wall during the campaign.
With rivers & mountains along the border, it seemed obvious to me that it would be a mix of fences, walls, surveillance systems, & enforcement means.

He appealed to the bigots and the closet bigots with his speech. It was a calculated gambit to fool YOU. It worked. Now we have a bully bigot in the white house and the fidiots who elected him are trying to justify their actions. There's just no justifying that.

Meh.....some bigots like Trump.
Same is true for Hillary.
Methinks you deflect from the issues by finding refuge in the ad hominem, ie, if one cannot defend, then one attacks.
But I sympathize....Hillary is a bad actor in the political world.
Not much in the way of redeeming qualities.

 

[Revoltingest]

Citation needed.

Watch the video to which I responded.

Then why vote for Trump?

Have you already forgotten?
Hillary posed the greater risk for....
- Starting a war, especially with Russia or Iran
- Raising taxes
- Expanding government
- Continuing the culture of corruption in government
- Those pantsuits

Why defend his brand of bigotry?

Why accuse me of defending something I don't defend?

Why normalize that bigotry and make it acceptable?

Ditto.

Now we have kids in our schools chanting "White Power" and "Build that wall" with near impunity. Is that what you want? Xenophobia and white supremacy taught in our schools as being OK?

And now we have Hillary's rioters burning property, white folk being beaten for supporting Trump, & general abuse hurled in our direction. The rabid histrionics of your side now have half the country believing the other half is a bunch'o goose stepping Nazis, & that the ovens & blitzkriegs will be fired up soon. The left (most of'm) has given up sanity.

Btw, white supremacy taught in schools?
Evidence?

 

[Scuba Pete]

Have you already forgotten?

Forgotten? How could I forget the lies and sheer hatriotism leveled against Clinton. I was embarrassed that my fellow Americans were so easily duped, hogswaggled and deceived.

Why accuse me of defending something I don't defend?

Point taken... you actually promoted bigotry when you voted for him. That's even worse than simply defending him.

Ditto.

You're sounding more like your hero, Rush, everyday. But yeah, again you actively PROMOTED the normalization of bigotry when you voted for Trump. I find it sad that you don't even realize the implications of your actions.

Btw, white supremacy taught in schools?
Evidence?

Sure... just recently a white teacher told two Mexican Americans that they had better behave or they would have to be deported. Made all the news here. You don't think there are teachers who are white supremacists? You don't think they are now emboldened with their Bigot In Chief in the White House? He's not even in office and look at what's happening already...

 

[Scuba Pete]

Here is the video on the teacher telling students that their parents would be deported...

I wish I were making this stuff up. I can't even imagine how bad it will be once the Bigot in Chief is in office.

 

[Revoltingest]

... you actually promoted bigotry when you voted for him.

I'm sure that you're just caught up in the moment.
But you should know that claims like this one really discredit you.
It gives the impression that one will say anything to demonize another over political differences.

You're sounding more like your hero, Rush, everyday.

Here again, by entirely missing the mark, the insult is not just vapid....it's also desperate.
It indicates you've no material basis for defending Hillary, & instead just lash out at half
the country as though they stole your right to determine who wins an election.
You don't have that entitlement. It was an election, & you lost.
Let the tears flow, but don't be mean.
Move on.

But yeah, again you actively PROMOTED the normalization of bigotry when you voted for Trump. I find it sad that you don't even realize the implications of your actions.
Sure... just recently a white teacher told two Mexican Americans that they had better behave or they would have to be deported. Made all the news here. You don't think there are teachers who are white supremacists? You don't think they are now emboldened with their Bigot In Chief in the White House? He's not even in office and look at what's happening already...

I'm beginning to feel sorry for you.
May equanimity some day return to you.

 

[Scuba Pete]

But you should know that claims like this one really discredit you.

Probably not nearly as much as voting for Trump discredited you. Just sayin'. History probably won't be as kind as I am being.

May equanimity some day return to you.

Let's hope that's only four years away.

But it's curious that you had nothing to say about the evidence I provided you. You asked for it. I provided it. Rather than staying on topic, you made it about me. I wonder if you'll need a school principle to dress in his KKK uniform in order to wake up? What's your threshold going to be to accept that bigotry just WON the election and that YOU helped? That's my question. Will it be the first concentration camp for undesirables? Perhaps it will be when Latinos will have to wear an "L" on their clothes? I would love to be there when that "oh crap" moment hits you and you realize that I was right. The sooner the better on that, my friend. The sooner the better.

All the talk we ever have heard
Uttered by bat or beast or bird—
Hide or fin or scale or feather—
Jabber it quickly and all together!
Excellent! Wonderful! Once again!
Now we are talking just like men.
Let’s pretend we are … Never mind!
Brother, thy tail hangs down behind!
This is the way of the Trumpy-kind!

 

[Revoltingest]

But it's curious that you had nothing to say about the evidence I provided you. You asked for it. I provided it. Rather than staying on topic, you made it about me. I wonder if you'll need a school principle to dress in his KKK uniform in order to wake up? What's your threshold going to be to accept that bigotry just WON the election and that YOU helped? That's my question. Will it be the first concentration camp for undesirables? Perhaps it will be when Latinos will have to wear an "L" on their clothes? I would love to be there when that "oh crap" moment hits you and you realize that I was right. The sooner the better on that, my friend. The sooner the better.

I've had my fill of videos, & so has my PC.
Instead of youtube 'evidence', do you have anything from a mainstream news source....even a leftish one?

Btw, I met with my new tenant today (the black one....let's call him Josh), & told him about how a privileged white male liberal who makes his living with a full time hobby/sport believes Josh is a white supremacist Nazi. We had a good laugh. He is another who voted primarily to keep us out of deadly & spendy foreign military entanglements.

 

[Acim]

Engaging in stereotyping, encouraging prejudice or violence against people based on their skin colour, ethnicity etc.

Such as the case of calling Mexicans, as a group, criminals,

@Revoltingest already stated the counterpoint, but I'm going to go further, on this one and provide full quote. Cause this link provided simply does not.

What Trump said exactly on June 16, 2015:

When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.

But I speak to border guards and they tell us what we’re getting. And it only makes common sense. It only makes common sense. They’re sending us not the right people.

He is clearly speaking of illegal immigrants, and making the point that they are deliberately sent to us by Mexico. And of that population, he is describing what type of people (mostly bad) that are being sent. To understand this as Trump is speaking about all Mexicans, as a group, are criminals is between erroneous and showing lack of comprehension.

If anyone would like, I'm sure I can find quotes where Obama talks about police, and makes many points. I feel confident I can find quotes where Obama uses the words "bigotry" and "police" in the same paragraph. Am I'm talking about President Obama. If we go with LW spin, then one could conclude from such wording: "Obama has said all police are bigots." That would be erroneous interpretation, but if looking to spin it in way of what one's anti-Obama bias wishes to espouse, it is possible to frame it as that is the takeaway. Would show up as lack of comprehension when whole paragraph is shown, but why let that stop those with the anti type bias from making their own bigoted claims? Such as the bigoted claims against (then) candidate Trump.

gaining the support of white supremacist groups like the KKK,

IMO, this one is even more dangerous than the previous one. Or gets to a deeper level of misunderstanding and misgiving than the previous one, which is, as I showed, based on erroneous spin. The whole point of this LW spin is to marginalize Trump supporters by equating them with KKK. Yet, what makes this dangerous, IMO, is that regardless of what any member of KKK says, it is implied that if you don't denounce that, they're is something wrong with you. Such that if KKK said "today is a sunny day," then it is plausible to believe that anyone reading this would be asked to support the idea that it is actually a very cloudy day, and if you disagree with that, then everything you stand for agrees with the KKK (and their messages of hate).

If looking at this link, the points this KKK member is making are:
- a lot of what Trump believes in, we believe in
- We want our country to be safe
- KKK supports Trump’s calls to temporarily ban Muslims from entering the United States.
- KKK supports Trump because he is an American citizen (like Kasich)

So, if you want the country to be safe, then you agree with the KKK. Thus, from LW perspective, that makes you as much a racist/hate filled person as any or all members of the KKK. But, I'm pretty sure the LW rebuttal to this would be to distance itself from that type of assertion, even while of all the things mentioned here, this is the one generalization about what KKK believes that is cited.

Not to mention that LW wishes to claim that whatever KKK believes is what Trump believes, and not the opposite view that is the exact wording of this quote, which is (a lot of) what Trump believes in, the KKK believes in. For if that was truly explored and let's say KKK expressed a message of bigotry or even racism, it would make sense in order to verify LW bias to see if Trump actually believes that messaging. If he does not, then LW spin would be seen as (again) erroneous and lacking comprehension.

Many Trump supporters do agree with temporary ban on Muslims entering the U.S. and that is not uniquely a KKK message. Nor does agreeing with that assertion align one with all KKK beliefs. Yet, the LW spin truly wishes to make that type of assertion that if you believe all Muslims entering the U.S. needs to be temporarily banned, then you are in full agreement with all things that the KKK believes. Or more succinctly, you and the KKK have nothing that differentiates you.

The last point would cover, I imagine 95% (or more) of all Trump, Hillary, Johnson and Stein supporters in that they voted for their candidate believing the person is an American citizen. Minus the KKK spin that suggests the likes of Cruz are not an American citizen, and not worthy of getting a vote.

his clashes with Native Americans,

I filter this as simply hit piece stuff. Cause none of it is from candidate Trump, or during that period of his life. The news agency reporting this is same that erroneously got the Trump-Mexican immigrant thing wrong (see first link). And like any issue that is divisive, it is not challenging to find people that are greatly offended, who in turn wish to espouse notions that all of us (like me) are offended by this. Again, same thing can be done with Obama and his remarks on cops (as bigots). Can find police officers who wish to espouse that they are offended that Obama said all cops are bigots. And that all cops are offended by this. So, is erroneous on a few levels. And yet, there is also truth to the clash, which if being honest would be something to check with candidate or president-elect Trump. If not willing to do that, then really what's the point other than to create a hit piece that feeds confirmation bias? Or the other version of bigotry at work in this ongoing debate over Trump's character.

the fact that Trump backed the racist birther movement.

How many times do we need to point these out before Trump supporters finally admit that their candidate is a racist?

I would suggest never again since it continues to show why LW media can't be trusted, why LW supporters plausibly lack reading or verbal comprehension and really just demonstrates own bigotry. But if seemingly not caring about all those things, then keep pointing it out I guess cause the likes of me will have a field day pointing out how erroneous the claims are. Such that one needs to add "racist" as descriptor of "birther movement." That just shows that many Dems don't really understand what racism is, even while their own policies, and for sure their own history as slaveholders, are quite plausibly the real racists in the political system. Still advocating for institutional racism under the guise of identity politics and the desire to obtain voting blocks based simply on the notion that their party is the only hope for certain Americans. Even while visibly that party, and its ongoing mayoral leadership has decimated the place that many minority communities call home.

 

[Acim]

I'm pointing out things that fit the definition of racism.

Thus far, in my observations, you have not done this once.

 

[Acim]

What's the distinguishing feature between a Mexican in the States illegally and one who entered legally? How do they look different? How do you imagine someone who views Mexicans as a group (not necessarily Trump, one of his supporters, maybe) will be able to distinguish an 'illegal' Mexican from a 'legal' Mexican by looking at them?

By looking at them (or really us) there is no distinguishable difference. Same can be said with any criminal person in the U.S. that there are no distinguishing superficial features between the criminal population and the non criminal population (when outside of jail).

But one would think a very real difference is that a legal American would have little issue with any sort of rounding up of citizens to just check who is here legally and who is here illegally. Sure, many Americans would take some issue with that, but in a political system where illegal immigration is out of control, then that needs to be part of the context. So, if there are say 5 to 10 ways to verify who is here legally and who is not, and most legal Americans are able to satisfy the majority of items on that checklist (knowingly, before any checking is even done), then I'm guessing there is little problem from them to be checked into. For all people who are not sure if they can satisfy such a checklist, there would be reason to be concerned. Yet, if those people are non-criminals, then less of a reason to be concerned. For those that are criminals and are illegally here, I would say right about now, there is very huge reason to be concerned.

How rounding up looks exactly is anyone's guess, but given LW existence, I see no way that it would currently be done in a manner that is violating human rights with impunity. At same time, there are some of us on the right, that are truly tired of waiting any longer to do something in relation to illegal immigration problem. Especially with idea that there are violent people amongst us who are illegal immigrants. Very few Americans can tolerate violent criminals that are legal American citizens. It is very surprising to me that there is any American that tolerates violent criminals within American borders who are not legal American citizens. How about we start there, perhaps end there, but at least address that problem? How about the illegal immigrants that are rapists be given the boot?

 

[Acim]

Oh snap... dude, they are angry and they are protesting against hate and intolerance. Do they hate bigotry? Sure. Does that make them bigots? No, but wouldn't that be convenient for all those neo-nazis. What do you call them: bigotists? If that's the case, I'm a class A bigotist and damn proud of it. Watch me run rampant with bigotism. No bigot should ever feel safe with me around! I think we should burn swastikas in their yards and deport the lot of 'em back to Bigotstania. Too bad it's a state of mind and not a geographical location.

All I took from this quote, correcting spelling mistakes is:

I'm a class A bigot and damn proud of it.

 

[Mister_T]

"Mexican" & "Muislim" are not races, no matter how hard the media try to redefine the word.

Just wondering what you're reasoning is for saying Mexicans aren't a race. I'm sure there are plenty who would disagree.

 

[Revoltingest]

Just wondering what you're reasoning is for saying Mexicans aren't a race. I'm sure there are plenty who would disagree.

Many people believe incorrect things.
"Mexican" being a race is one of them.
There are Mexicans of Spanish, indigenous, & European descent living there.
A blonde haired blue eyed one lives just down the street from me.