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Hindu-Bahai Gita Discussion
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It’s fine to mention just the Tenth Avatar. Although many Hindus today believe that is Kalki.
Really, loverofhumanity? I never knew that.Some accept the whole of BhagawadGita, other accepts some parts of BhagawadGita but do not accept other parts. Some understand BhagawadGita in their own way. No two commentaries on BhaawadGita will ever be the same. Prabhupada will say something, Shankara would say something else and BG Tilak would say another thing. People have the liberty to understand Gita in their own way. Acceptance and to what extent depends on the person.No, what is this BS about 'self of God'. Theist Hindus believe Krishna to be Lord Vishnu himself, who is one of the principal Gods of Hinduism but not the sole God. There are Shiva, Durga and Brahma too.He will be verily taken as Allah, if he giveth any evidence of being that. What evidence doth Bahaollah provideth? Till he doth not provideth evidence, the doubt attacheth thereto.
One can only research Figures like Krishna and Baha’u’llah for themselves and after careful deliberation decide whether they are Divine or not.
Each and every person is endowed with the capacity to recognise God according to Baha’u’llah.
“O Son of the Wondrous Vision!
I have breathed within thee a breath of My own Spirit, that thou mayest be My lover. Why hast thou forsaken Me and sought a beloved other than Me?”
Excerpt from
The Hidden Words
Bahá'u'lláh
We are not God but can be at one with God or devotees.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
Bahaollah was an uneducated Iranian of the nineteenth Century. He did not know anything of science. I am not surprised if his utterances or 'tablets' reflect 7th Century views.
"Among the most influential ideas of the 19th century were those of Charles Darwin (alongside the independent researches of Alfred Russel Wallace), who in 1859 published the book The Origin of Species, which introduced the idea of evolution by natural selection. Another important landmark in medicine and biology were the successful efforts to prove the germ theory of disease. Following this, Louis Pasteur made the first vaccine against rabies, and also made many discoveries in the field of chemistry, including the asymmetry of crystals. In chemistry, Dmitri Mendeleev, following the atomic theory of John Dalton, created the first periodic table of elements. In physics, the experiments, theories and discoveries of Michael Faraday, Andre-Marie Ampere, James Clerk Maxwell, and their contemporaries led to the creation of electromagnetism as a new branch of science. Thermodynamics led to an understanding of heat and the notion of energy was defined."
19th century in science - Wikipedia
So much was happening in 19th Century science.
All the wondrous achievements ye now witness are the direct consequences of the Revelation of this Name. In the days to come, ye will, verily, behold things of which ye have never heard before. Thus hath it been decreed in the Tablets of God, and none can comprehend it except them whose sight is sharp. In like manner, the moment the word expressing My attribute “The Omniscient” issueth forth from My mouth, every created thing will, according to its capacity and limitations, be invested with the power to unfold the knowledge of the most marvelous sciences, and will be empowered to manifest them in the course of time at the bidding of Him Who is the Almighty, the All-Knowing.
Look at the charts how from the dawn of this Revelation, 1844, how knowledge increased as never before in human history. Yes look at all the sciences, inventions and discoveries that ‘suddenly appeared’ during the Life of Baha’u’llah.
19th century in science - Wikipedia
I am hoping for a more detailed analysis of the verses from the Bahai perspective.
Its unclear whether you agree or disagree with what Krishna is saying here.
Ok.
We agree that the soul is eternal and never dies.
The soul has its origin in the spiritual worlds of God. It is exalted above matter and the physical world. The individual has his beginning when the soul associates itself with the embryo at the time of conception …
We agree that another body is obtained after death but a spiritual body in the next world.
Evolution in the life of the individual starts with the formation of the human embryo and passes through various stages, and even continues after death in another form.((Effendi)
We do not die when our bodies die.
To consider that after the death of the body the spirit perishes, is like imagining that a bird in a cage will be destroyed if the cage is broken, though the bird has nothing to fear from the destruction of the cage. Our body is like the cage, and the spirit is like the bird … if the cage becomes broken, the bird will continue and exist: its feelings will be even more
powerful, its perceptions greater, and its happiness increased.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
Very nice. Taking all the credit without doing even knowing an iota about science. You mean, all advancement of science should be credited to Bahaollah?
There is no evidence of existence of soul.
Thre is a lot in those passages and I see a mixture of many concepts that I find in the Baha'i Writings.
To me those passages reflect that Krishna speaks as God and also speaks as man.
It is explained this way by Baha'u'llah.
".... Like the Manifestations of God gone before Him, He is both the Voice of God and its human channel: “When I contemplate, O my God, the relationship that bindeth me to Thee, I am moved to proclaim to all created things ‘verily I am God!’; and when I consider my own self, lo, I find it coarser than clay!”
There is much more in those passages to discuss, but sorry I am late for work, must go.
All the best, regards Tony
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There is an opportunity posted by this OP to explore the relationship of Krishna and Baha'u'llah and what they did offer.
You could join in that, we can all learn something, or lots, from the experience.
It is never a waste of time if truth and understanding is our goal.
Regards Tony
Yes that’s right.
Through the mere revelation of the word “Fashioner,” issuing forth from His lips and proclaiming His attribute to mankind, such power is released as can generate, through successive ages, all the manifold arts which the hands of man can produce. (Baha’u’llah)
We are not our bodies but exist as an energy force and energy cannot be destroyed only take on a different form.
It is a big topic, but also it is not the topic of this OP
Abdu'lbaha has offerd.
"Science may be likened to a mirror wherein the images of the mysteries of outer phenomena are reflected. It brings forth and exhibits to us in the arena of knowledge all the product of the past. It links together past and present. The philosophical conclusions of bygone centuries, the teachings of the prophets and wisdom of former sages are crystallized and reproduced in the scientific advancement of today. Science is the discoverer of the past. From its premises of past and present we deduce conclusions as to the future. Science is the governor of nature and its mysteries, the one agency by which man explores the institutions of material creation."
Regards Tony
To explain it a bit further.
Every single letter proceeding out of the mouth of God is indeed a mother letter, and every word uttered by Him Who is the Well Spring of Divine Revelation is a mother word, and His Tablet a Mother Tablet. Well is it with them that apprehend this truth. (Baha’u’llah)
So when He uttered the Words: ‘The earth is but one country and mankind it’s citizens’, these Words gave birth to the sciences and technologies to shrink the world into one country such as international travel, international communications and the internet. Before He uttered these words none of these things existed.
But Baha’u’llah said this applied to all Revelations so that means Krishna, whatever He said was a mother Word bringing forth generations of advancements.
Know thou of a certainty that the Revelation of every other Name is accompanied by a similar manifestation of Divine power. (Baha’u’llah)
Every single letter proceeding out of the mouth of God is indeed a mother letter, and every word uttered by Him Who is the Well Spring of Divine Revelation is a mother word, and His Tablet a Mother Tablet. Well is it with them that apprehend this truth. (Baha’u’llah)
So when He uttered the Words: ‘The earth is but one country and mankind it’s citizens’, these Words gave birth to the sciences and technologies to shrink the world into one country such as international travel, international communications and the internet. Before He uttered these words none of these things existed.
But Baha’u’llah said this applied to all Revelations so that means Krishna, whatever He said was a mother Word bringing forth generations of advancements.
Know thou of a certainty that the Revelation of every other Name is accompanied by a similar manifestation of Divine power. (Baha’u’llah)
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
You know I have achieved my goal, thanks to Krishna. There is nothing to be sought for me.
It may be right for you, but for me and any person other than Bahais, it is a very foolish statement. Perhaps even some Bahais will not agree to it.
Bahai word-salad is a class by itself.
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As they are the Words of Baha’u’llah Himself, Baha’is will not disagree. The laws of physics we cannot see and gravity too but they are as real as apple pie. The Word of God is also an invisible force that inspires creations, inventions and progress and is a creative force. Without it you and I would not exist.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
That is your view and I am an atheist. I do not believe in existence of God and in any message or messengers from God, do not need a God to exist.
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As this is a discussion on the Gita, are you offering that stance can be supported with what is offered in the Gita, that the Gita does not in any way shape or form support God?
Regards Tony