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Hindu offers invocation in Senate, Christians protest

Hema

Hema

Sweet n Spicy
Autodidact said:
This morning for the first time a Hindu religious leader offered the invocation in the Senate. AFA and other Christian groups objected, and protesters had to be ejected from the Senate Chambers:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/12/AR2007071200943.html

Thoughts?
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Oh you really don't want to know what I think but let me just say this..........

First of all, Hindus are NOT non-monotheistic, we believe in Deities but they are manifestations of that same one God - just like we are all manifestations of that one God. Shame, shame and to think that Hindus see all religions as leading to the same God. It's even written in the Rig Veda - Truth is one but is called by many names. At the Temple I attend...yes a Hindu Temple, I have heard the name of Jesus and Allah being sung...of course along with names like Krishna, Ram etc. :D

It really makes me mad to know that some people think that only they have a monopoly on God. How do they expect to become closer to God when they are looking down on others? Sheesh! :rolleyes:
 
Smoke

Smoke

Done here.
Hindus have no business offering invocations in the Senate, and neither have Christians.
 
TheGreaterGame

TheGreaterGame

Active Member
MidnightBlue said:
Hindus have no business offering invocations in the Senate, and neither have Christians.
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The rule of law is that there is separation of Church and State not separation of God and government. The concept of Justice & Order flow naturally from the laws of God in the Judeo-Christian traditon . . . this is a plain fact despite your distorted subjectivism.
 
wizanda

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
I agree you can't talk to Christians in conversation it almost always turns into debate and you can't get anywhere...the best bit in this, is none of them follow Christ (Matthew, Mark and Luke) they all follow the Pharisees (John, Paul and Simon) and so if God does come it is them God is removing, according to almost every religious text globally...
 
Autodidact

Autodidact

Intentionally Blank
Normally, the prayer is given by the Senate Chaplain, currently Barry Black, a Seventh Day Adventist, but it is not uncommon for senators to recommend guest chaplains from their home states to start the day.
According to the records, it does not appear that any Hindu has ever led the spiritual act since 1857. In that year, they had officially created a Senate chaplain, and before had always used guest chaplains in the mornings. The list is incomplete, but officials feel almost certain that no other Hindu has led...He is not the first non-Christian or non-Jew to lead a Senate invocation, however. Wallace Mohammed became the first Muslim to recite a prayer in 1992.
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From the Christian Post: http://www.christianpost.com/articl...Prayer_in_U.S._Senate_for_First_Time_Ever.htm
 
MaddLlama

MaddLlama

Obstructor of justice
MidnightBlue said:
Hindus have no business offering invocations in the Senate, and neither have Christians.
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I agree.

Let me amend that actually....

While I do think it's nice the Senate is more accommodating and accepting of diversity, this is absolutely not the medium for it.
 
Autodidact

Autodidact

Intentionally Blank
TheGreaterGame said:
The rule of law is that there is separation of Church and State not separation of God and government.
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What is the difference?
The concept of Justice & Order flow naturally from the laws of God in the Judeo-Christian traditon . . . this is a plain fact despite your distorted subjectivism.
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No, this is not a fact, it is an opinion, full of subjective terms. You have just damaged your own credibility by trying to disguise your personal opinion as a "plain fact."
 
kiwimac

kiwimac

Brother Napalm of God's Love
It neither helps nor hinders to have prayer in parliament but if it is going to be said let it be said by as many differing religions as possible.
 
lilithu

lilithu

The Devil's Advocate
There's another thread on this, started by Engyo, in case people are interested in checking out both:
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=54040


TheGreaterGame said:
The rule of law is that there is separation of Church and State not separation of God and government.
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If the State, in this case the Senate, officially sanctions a Church activity, in this case a cleric-led prayer, then it is a violation of the separation of Church and State.

True, there is no mandated separation of God and government, which means that government officials are perfectly free to pray on their own. No one should stop them.


TheGreaterGame said:
The concept of Justice & Order flow naturally from the laws of God in the Judeo-Christian traditon . . .
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I certainly will not dispute that the U.S. is heavily influenced by the Judeo-Christian tradition. The concepts of Justice & Order, however, are shared by the vast majority of societies, if not all.



TheGreaterGame said:
this is a plain fact despite your distorted subjectivism.
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lol! Oh... the irony!



kiwimac said:
It neither helps nor hinders to have prayer in parliament but if it is going to be said let it be said by as many differing religions as possible.
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Even if the prayers are led by a diversity of religions, it still makes non-religious people feel marginalized. Therefore it does hinder.

But I do agree that for as long as we are to have such a thing, there should be diversity.
 
Smoke

Smoke

Done here.
TheGreaterGame said:
The rule of law is that there is separation of Church and State not separation of God and government.
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Anytime God wants to make an appearance in the Senate on his own, it's fine with me. Anytime you involve a clergyman, you're entangling Church and State.

TheGreaterGame said:
The concept of Justice & Order flow naturally from the laws of God in the Judeo-Christian traditon . . . this is a plain fact despite your distorted subjectivism.
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It's neither plain nor a fact. It is, in fact, unsubstantiated ... and subjective. :D
 
TheGreaterGame

TheGreaterGame

Active Member
MidnightBlue said:
Anytime God wants to make an appearance in the Senate on his own, it's fine with me. Anytime you involve a clergyman, you're entangling Church and State.

It's neither plain nor a fact. It is, in fact, unsubstantiated ... and subjective. :D
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Law & Moralitly were all but void except in the tradition of Jewish people during the Old Testament era. Just read the account of historians about the immorality that existed.
 
Sunstone

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
TheGreaterGame said:
Law & Moralitly were all but void except in the tradition of Jewish people during the Old Testament era. Just read the account of historians about the immorality that existed.
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Are you seriously suggesting that the Romans didn't have laws or morality? Or the Greeks? Which historians are you basing that remarkable conclusion on?
 
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