Hindu Persecution Complex

[NobodyYouKnow]

I briefly touched on this in another thread, but decided to make a topic out of it.

How much of what Hindus perceive to be happening in India is actually true? How much of it is just paranoia?

Is Hinduism really under threat of extinction from 'Mlecchas' or Christians, or is it just a 'knee-jerk reaction' to a different philosophy?

If Hinduism and Hindu Nationalism is strong, why the worry? Why not educate Hindus to be stronger in the faith, rather than to fear any external influence(s)?

It sounds to me like a lot of Hindus are just playing the 'victim' here to either illicit sympathy, or to illicit support for a militant cause (Hindutva).

Here are some links about this 'disease' that is sweeping through Hinduism.

Hindu Persecution Complex
Hindus Rising: Meera Nanda and “The God Market” » Richard Carrier Blogs

Thoughts please.

Om Namah Shivay

 

[Kalidas]

I briefly touched on this in another thread, but decided to make a topic out of it.

How much of what Hindus perceive to be happening in India is actually true? How much of it is just paranoia?

Is Hinduism really under threat of extinction from 'Mlecchas' or Christians, or is it just a 'knee-jerk reaction' to a different philosophy?

If Hinduism and Hindu Nationalism is strong, why the worry? Why not educate Hindus to be stronger in the faith, rather than to fear any external influence(s)?

It sounds to me like a lot of Hindus are just playing the 'victim' here to either illicit sympathy, or to illicit support for a militant cause (Hindutva).

Here are some links about this 'disease' that is sweeping through Hinduism.

Hindu Persecution Complex
Hindus Rising: Meera Nanda and “The God Market” » Richard Carrier Blogs

Thoughts please.

Om Namah Shivay

I think there is plenty of persecution of Hindus all over the world even in India. BUT I don't think getting aggressive and acting in a way that the "attackers" act will help. Whats the easiest way to destroy Hinduism? Force them to destroy themselves. To become the monster that is trying to eat us will only destroy us from the inside

 

[ShivaFan]

Namaste

I want to comment on Hindutva as a "militant group", to clarify that Hindutva means "Hindu-ness" and was first coined by one whom I admire, Veer Savarkar (Vinayak Damodar Savarkar) in his 1923 pamphlet "Who is a Hindu?".

Hindutva is not a group (not saying you said that, just clarifying) it is a word representing a state of being. Many followers of the motto were politically active in the movement to seek India's independence from British hegemony, but it is also a vision that was about social reform.

Veer Savarkar was a social reformer. He believed and stated over and again that such independence from such foreign hegemony without being subsequently coupled with social reform will doom this very independence and it's spirit to yet subjegation again and to the end of independence hard fought for.

He was famous in his opposition to caste discrimination and the leprosy of untouchability as were all in the spirit of Hindutva (Hinduness).

Quote Savarkar:

Both chaturvarnya and caste divisions are but practices. They are not coterminous with Sanatana Dharma … Sanatana Dharma will not die if the present-day distortion that is caste division is destroyed (1930, Jatyuchchedak nibandha or essays on abolition of caste, SSV 3:444).*

Please read further at:

Veer Savarkar as a social reformer- Part I | Vinayak Damodar Savarkar

Om Namah Sivaya

 

[NobodyYouKnow]

Namaste

I want to comment on Hindutva as a "militant group", to clarify that Hindutva means "Hindu-ness" and was first coined by one whom I admire, Veer Savarkar (Vinayak Damodar Savarkar) in his 1923 pamphlet "Who is a Hindu?".

Hindutva is not a group (not saying you said that, just clarifying) it is a word representing a state of being. Many followers of the motto were politically active in the movement to seek India's independence from British hegemony, but it is also a vision that was about social reform.

Veer Savarkar was a social reformer. He believed and stated over and again that such independence from such foreign hegemony with being subsequently coupled with social reform will doom this very independence and it's spirit to yet subjegation again and to the end of independence hard fought for.

He was famous in his opposition to caste discrimination and the leprosy of untouchability as were all in the spirit of Hindutva (Hinduness).

Quote Savarkar:

Both chaturvarnya and caste divisions are but practices. They are not coterminous with Sanatana Dharma … Sanatana Dharma will not die if the present-day distortion that is caste division is destroyed (1930, Jatyuchchedak nibandha or essays on abolition of caste, SSV 3:444).*

Please read further at:

Veer Savarkar as a social reformer- Part I | Vinayak Damodar Savarkar

Om Namah Sivaya

Thank you for that SivaFan and I am now perusing that link.

This thread piggybacks on the thread 'What Makes A Hindu, A Hindu', so the philosophy of "Hindu-ness" applies here.

Very valuable information.

 

[ShivaFan]

see my typo corrected in BOLD (with corrected to without)...

Yes, to be frank regarding the other thread, such a person reflects violence and I think it is reaching the point of threats to "inferior races" that borders on a potential terrorist tone.

 

[Kalidas]

malala - Imgur

This pretty much sums up my opinion about fighting people with more fighting

 

[ratikala]

malala - Imgur

This pretty much sums up my opinion about fighting people with more fighting

jai jai :namaste

 

[Stormcry]

It's all about mlecchas .


Hindus have been historically persecuted during the Muslim rule of the Indian subcontinent and during the Goa Inquisition. It has been estimated that over 80 million Hindus were killed by Muslims alone, during the Muslim rule of parts of Indian Subcontinent. Except human rights abuses, the persecution included the demolition of temples, conversion of worship places, and others.

Prof. K.S. Lal, suggests a calculation in his book Growth of Muslim Population in Medieval India which estimates that between the years 1000 AD and 1500 AD the population of Hindus decreased by 80 million by killing and converting.

In Northeastern India, especially in Nagaland, Hindus are not able to celebrate Durga Puja and other religious festivals due to harassment and killing by Christian terrorist groups .

Although the Indian government allows for freedom of religion, its constitution provides special rights to minorities and their places of worship. More over, minority institutes also receive government patronage in form of Exemption from 2005 Amendment to the Article 15, 95% grant-in-aid, College Scholarship to pursue higher education. Some states like Tamil Nadu, offer reservation in education for Muslims and Christians. The Indian government offers huge subsidies for Muslims towards Haj Pilgrimage.

The ruling political parties often subscribe to ideologies which are inherently hostile or prejudiced towards Hindu religion. Thus, Hindu institutes live under constant threat of ideologically motivated government take-over and subsequent destruction. For instance the Dravidian parties who have been ruling Tamil Nadu for over four decades believe in discredited racial theory and are openly anti-Hindu. Ruling ideology has a history of publicly issuing threats and has carried out those threats in many instances.

In Tripura, the NLFT(National Liberation Front of Tripura), has targeted Swamis and temples for attacks. They are known to have forcefully converted Hindus to Christianity. The Baptist Church of Tripura is alleged to have supplied the NLFT with arms and financial support and to have encouraged the murder of Hindus, particularly infants.

In Assam, members of the primarily Christian Hmar ethnic group have placed bloodstained crosses in temples and forced Hindus to convert at gunpoint.

The 2012 Assam violence arose in the state of Assam between indigenous Bodos and Bengali Muslims due to the high influx of Muslims illegally from Bangladesh. Muslim illegal immigrants in Assam are regularly attacked by indigenous people.As of 8 August 2012, 77 people had died and over 400,000 people were taking shelter in 270 relief camps, after being displaced from almost 400 villages. Eleven people have been reported missing.


Kerala is a Hindu majority state but with the most slim majority in India of 56%. Kerala has witnessed many riots and rebellions against Hindus by Muslims throughout it history and more so in independent India; notably the Marad Massacre. Many Muslims extremist organisations allegedly supported Love Jihad where Muslim boys targeted Hindu and Christian young girls, to convert them to Islam by feigning love.However, this claim has been debunked by Kerala police.

Hindu Temples – What Happened to Them is a two-volume book by Sita Ram Goel, Arun Shourie, Harsh Narain, Jay Dubashi and Ram Swarup. The first volume was published in spring 1990.

The first volume includes a list of 2000 mosques that it is claimed were built on Hindu temples, which it is asserted is based primarily on the books of Muslim historians of the period or the inscriptions of the mosques.


Anti-Hindu attacks often accuse Hindus of being "Blasphemers" for committing "idolatry" and "polytheism" (Hinduism is more accurately described as monistic or henotheistic than polytheistic depending on the sect or school of belief involved ). Some Anti-Hindus insist on an interpretation of Hinduism, relating to ancient polytheistic religions as opposed to one that relates to enlightenment or moksha. This accusation is prevalent among adherents of monotheistic religions like Islam and Christianity. Many Christian missionaries, particularly those of Fundamentalist Christianity, denigrate Hindu deities as "evil" or "demonic". Francis Xavier, a Catholic saint referred to Hindus as devil-worshipers and spiritually blind, Hindu teachings as repulsive and grotesque, Vishnu's transformation as foulest shapes, Shiva as shameless, Kali as clamoring for sacrifices, many-headed and many-armed gods and goddesses in temples as hideous forms and temples and altars as place of degrading rites. Advocacy groups in the west, such as the Hindu American Foundation and the Simon Wiesenthal Center have spoken against anti-Hindu bigotry and prejudice.

 

[NobodyYouKnow]

Why are you so interested in what Christians think about Hinduism?

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/christianity-dir/155611-what-do-you-think-about-hinduism.html

Why do you ask if they are worried about ISKCON converting Christians into Hindus, when you are worried about the opposite?

What point and purpose does that serve? curious...

In other words...

1. You are talking about events that happened over 1,000 years ago, when humans were migrating here and there. How long should a race be held accountable for the sins of their forefathers?

2.

In Northeastern India, especially in Nagaland, Hindus are not able to celebrate Durga Puja and other religious festivals due to harassment and killing by Christian terrorist groups .

Link please?

3. In a country with a majority Hindu population, surely those parties have representation in the government who can enact laws to prevent religious vilification.
If they are supporting a 'minority group' surely the 'majority group' can kick them out of office at the next election.

I'd like to see you give a response to the second linked article though. Thanks.

 

[Stormcry]

Dear NKY,

It's from wiki veriable source.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Hindus

 

[NobodyYouKnow]

Fair enough. I just have to accept the fact that you are a Militant Hindu and just move on with my own Sadhana.

Om Namah Shivay

 

[Stormcry]

Indeed, Mlecchas are ruining our vedic dharma .

Indian Muslims are killing our mother cow and what you are expecting we should treat them as our friends ?

Every spiritual hindus want their sacred bharata mleccha-free.

It's 100 % ,our sacred land would get free from mlecchas. Because at the end, vishnu himself will take avatara and will kill them and he will protect varna people ie hindus.

Again, In bharatavarsha, there will be the rise of truth of hindu dharma. It would be the ruling of satyayuga.

hari govinda hari hari

 

[NobodyYouKnow]

One thing I just noticed and realised after reading stories about the persecution of Hindus in Indonesia...

Left to their own devices, the Muslims and Christians will probably end up wiping each other out anyway.

Problem solved! lol

 

[Maya3]

malala - Imgur

This pretty much sums up my opinion about fighting people with more fighting

Yes.

Maya

 

[Aupmanyav]

I won't go into what hinduism is. We have topics for that. I would restrict myself to threats to Hinhduism as I see them (not in order of any preference):

1. Western Culture. We have our own ways.
2. Lax control of media: They would not hesitate to make fun of Hindu deities and castes (brahmins in particular ). Films in India are trying to turn into pornography and the Censor Board is doing nothing, not just the Bombay films but also Malayalam and Tamil films.
3. Appeasement of minorities to win elections. During the last six months, there have been a plethora of schemes geared to it. Scholarships to Muslims, Muslim Bank, Reservations for Muslims, Bank facilities to Muslims, etc. I am not against trying to make their situation better if they are economically backward. Make such schemes available to all needy sections of the society. Why just for Muslims? Haj subsidy is another grudge. I don't know for sure, but at one time this used to come out of collections and Tirupati. The directive to police that the cases of Muslims arrested for terrorist activities should be checked again. The recent bill for Religious Disturbances, if passed in its original shape, would have meant immediate arrest of a Hindu without any investigation on the complaint of a Muslim. I suppose that gives you the general idea.
4. Trying to divide Hindus with reservations for 'Other backward castes' and 'scheduled tribes/scheduled castes'. Again, not against uplift of people, but why the criterion should be caste, why not for whoever is in need? Even Supreme Court asked for clarifications, but the Government insisted that reservations would be according to castes. The castes are shifted from one list to another according to the needs of the ruling party. At the moment, Jats are demanding reservations, a few years ago, it was the Gujars. Not all of these people are backward or economically deprived. Some of them are multimillionaires and even billionaires.
5. Only the Hindu laws are changed or their temples are taken under government control. People of all other religions are not touched, they have their own laws. In Kerala, atheists who have no allegiance to Hinduism (my case is different, I am an atheist but I am that according to Hindu philosophy and am passionately Hindu) are appointed trustees of Hindu trusts.
6. Christian missionaries who come on tourist or other visas but engage in proselytization. Unlawful practices in proselytization like threats or payment of money. The main idea is to weaken the Hindu polity, as it helps the ruling party.
7. No action against illegal Muslim Bangladeshi immigrants because this again would help the ruling party. It has turned the demography of Tripura, Assam, Bengal, and Bihar upside down.

These are my greviences against the present set up. That is why I would like the Hindu Party BJP (Bharatiya Janata Party) to succeed and install Narendra Modi as the Prime Minister of India. I know it is not easy, but let us see, April/May 2014 is not very far away. We have lost ground, we need to fight otherwise we will loose more.

 

[Vinayaka]

Right now Bangladesh seems to be the worst.

http://www.thedailystar.net/bnp-jamaat-attack-hindu-village-in-jessore-5665

 

[Aupmanyav]

3. In a country with a majority Hindu population, surely those parties have representation in the government who can enact laws to prevent religious vilification.
If they are supporting a 'minority group' surely the 'majority group' can kick them out of office at the next election.

I suppose you have heard of the 'divide and rule' policy of the British. The major partner in the current ruling combine, Congress has thrived only on this after the independence of India. First the 'scheduled castes and scheduled tribes' (they were given the special facilities for 10 years to begin with which are continued even after 64 years of independence), then the 'other backward classes' (the option of giving this status remains with the ruling party), they do it whenever and to whoever, depending on their assessment of benefits of the action in an election. Appeasement of Muslims as I mentioned in the post above. Hindus do not act as a group and that is their downfall.

 

[Aupmanyav]

Right now Bangladesh seems to be the worst.

http://www.thedailystar.net/bnp-jamaat-attack-hindu-village-in-jessore-5665

Yes, it has always been like that. In 1951, Hindu percentage in Bangladesh was 22%. In 2001, they formed 9.6%. Of course, Pakistan cleansed itself of Hindus much quicker. The Kashmiri Muslims have nearly cleansed the valley of Hindus. In North-Eastern states (Nagaland/Manipur/Meghalaya/Mizoram), Hindus can exist only by paying extortion amounts to Christian terrorists. And the states partner the terrorist organizations because the rulers are Christians.

 

[ShivaFan]

Hinduism♥Krishna: In fact Author of veda mentions the word mlechha ( Impure race) many times in purana. There he called mlecchas who are not original habitants of bharata.... So I request all hindus to unite and should fight against mlecchas ( Impure races )...

Hinduism♥Krishna, these are the words you posted.

Using racial terms in this manner is nothing more than casting others in racial terms as vermin or impure, targets for attack. Then I would argue, you suggest precisely that.

Let us be very clear as to what you are saying, because I am a member of the Hinduism DIR, and a Hindu.

I am a Hindu. For 50 years I have been so. I was born in the United States. My daughter was born in the United States, she is a Hindu. My wife was born in India, she is a Hindu.

Let's just cut to the chase -

Are you saying me and my daughter are an impure race?

And that my wife needs to fight me?

Om Namah Sivaya

 

[Vinayaka]

Yes, it has always been like that. In 1951, Hindu percentage in Bangladesh was 22%. In 2001, they formed 9.6%. Of course, Pakistan cleansed itself of Hindus much quicker. The Kashmiri Muslims have nearly cleansed the valley of Hindus. In North-Eastern states (Nagaland/Manipur/Meghalaya/Mizoram), Hindus can exist only by paying extortion amounts to Christian terrorists. And the states partner the terrorist organizations because the rulers are Christians.

Don't you just love that word, 'cleansed', especially when used in connection with genocide?

It sounds too much like some bug exterminator getting rid of bugs from his house. Humanity itself ought to be ashamed.