Hindu Persecution Complex

[Philomath]

Indeed, Mlecchas are ruining our vedic dharma .

Indian Muslims are killing our mother cow and what you are expecting we should treat them as our friends ?

Every spiritual hindus want their sacred bharata mleccha-free.

It's 100 % ,our sacred land would get free from mlecchas. Because at the end, vishnu himself will take avatara and will kill them and he will protect varna people ie hindus.

Again, In bharatavarsha, there will be the rise of truth of hindu dharma. It would be the ruling of satyayuga.

hari govinda hari hari

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[Satyamavejayanti]

NobodyYouKnow;3633359]I briefly touched on this in another thread, but decided to make a topic out of it.

Ill give my opinions, but take them as coming from a Indian observing India from outside.

How much of what Hindus perceive to be happening in India is actually true? How much of it is just paranoia?

I don't know exactly what percentage of what is happening in India is true and what is false or what part could be blown out of proportion or what is not actually is shown in popular media, I get my info from websites mostly though. But even if it is paranoia, where does this paranoia come from? I think maybe historically being under threat for almost 1000 years has left a bad taste.

Is Hinduism really under threat of extinction from 'Mlecchas' or Christians, or is it just a 'knee-jerk reaction' to a different philosophy?

I don't think it is a reaction to different philosophy, Hinduism it self is a multi-philosophy system, so that i can be sure is not the case. We could say that the Abrahamic religions are more prone to having a reaction to different philosophy as they are mostly exclusive in their world view.

If Hinduism and Hindu Nationalism is strong, why the worry? Why not educate Hindus to be stronger in the faith, rather than to fear any external influence(s)?

funny, with Americans/Australians it would be considered as patriotism/true blue, but if Im Indian Hindu its nationalism. I think Hindu Indian patriotism is strong but Hindu nationalism is not. I would agree that education is the key to a stronger Hindu nation in India, and would also make the world a better place

It sounds to me like a lot of Hindus are just playing the 'victim' here to either illicit sympathy, or to illicit support for a militant cause (Hindutva).

As someone said "Hindutva", is not militant, or at least it was not coined in that sense, but i would agree that in some cases Hindus do play the "victim", to get sympathy, but i doubt that is the majority case, I think Indian Hindus need a identity and a Hindu identity is what is typically a Indian Idea and is Indian Philosophy which is a gift to the world, the same way the European Ideal is the basis of the Australian identity.

Personally i think Hinduism in India needs a reform, and needs to be considered as a legitimate and a alternative world view outside of India.

 

[Vinayaka]

I've been watching this for a very long time. The proponents of "There is a militant Hundutva, everybody better watch out. Those saffron terrorists are as bad, maybe worse than militant Muslims!" say the silliest things. Subramania Swamy gets booted from Harvard (what's to expect from the anti-Hindu indologists there?)

If anybody here is familiar with Hinduism Today, the magazine, they were once accused of being a front for right-wing militant Hindutva. That's about the furthest from the truth as you can get.

So I think it is incredibly overblown from the opposite side. Hindus of India look out to Bangladesh, to Pakistan, to Indonesia, to Malaysia, to Sri Lanka, and are witness to what happens to a minority when the majority doe not have any democratic practices that protect minority rights. Over time, the minorities have become a subjugated people.

India does it the other way around. Because they are so nice, and aware of minorities, they actually give minorities MORE rights by far than the majority culture (Hinduism). It should just be equal. No discrimination either way. In no other country is the majority religion unfairly taxed.

It's not that Hindus want special privileges, it's just that Hindus want a fair shake.

 

[Kalidas]

I've been watching this for a very long time. The proponents of "There is a militant Hundutva, everybody better watch out. Those saffron terrorists are as bad, maybe worse than militant Muslims!" say the silliest things. Subramania Swamy gets booted from Harvard (what's to expect from the anti-Hindu indologists there?)

If anybody here is familiar with Hinduism Today, the magazine, they were once accused of being a front for right-wing militant Hindutva. That's about the furthest from the truth as you can get.

So I think it is incredibly overblown from the opposite side. Hindus of India look out to Bangladesh, to Pakistan, to Indonesia, to Malaysia, to Sri Lanka, and are witness to what happens to a minority when the majority doe not have any democratic practices that protect minority rights. Over time, the minorities have become a subjugated people.

India does it the other way around. Because they are so nice, and aware of minorities, they actually give minorities MORE rights by far than the majority culture (Hinduism). It should just be equal. No discrimination either way. In no other country is the majority religion unfairly taxed.

It's not that Hindus want special privileges, it's just that Hindus want a fair shake.

Agreed rights should defend all peoples minority and majority.

 

[Satyamavejayanti]

It's not that Hindus want special privileges, it's just that Hindus want a fair shake.

That is True, reminds me of Rajiv Malhotra and his idea of Mutual respect, and he is right in saying that Hindus (of whatever race) have more emphasis on respecting the other ideals of the world, in contrast to the mere tolerance that Hindus get from others.

 

[Vinayaka]

That is True, reminds me of Rajiv Malhotra and his idea of Mutual respect, and he is right in saying that Hindus (of whatever race) have more emphasis on respecting the other ideals of the world, in contrast to the mere tolerance that Hindus get from others.

We're just trying to learn from history.... When an aggressive culture meets with a passive culture, the aggressive one wins. That's just historical fact. Being too nice is unfortunately, a huge disadvantage in maintaining a culture.

 

[Aupmanyav]

Are you saying me and my daughter are an impure race?

What Hinduism(lov)Krishna writes is racial and extremely objectionable, but chauvinist hindus are like that. They live in their own dream-world. I beg your pardon for the fulminations of an ill-informed Hindu fellowman. He does not understand what he is saying. I share your hurt and pain.

 

[Aupmanyav]

Don't you just love that word, 'cleansed', especially when used in connection with genocide?

It sounds too much like some bug exterminator getting rid of bugs from his house. Humanity itself ought to be ashamed.

But, Vinayaka, that is what happened to my relatives and other Kashmiri brahmins in Kashmir. They had to leave their hearth and homes after murders and rapes and settle in the Hindu part of the state (Jammu). The Muslims purchased their properties at throw away prices or just occupied them. The muslim rulers of the state created reservations for various Muslim castes decreasing the chances for a Hindu to progress either in education or in jobs, though Muslims from Kashmir are eligible for various reservations and facilities in other parts of India. Yes, we stand exterminated from the valley like bugs. I wish I could see my ancestral house in Kashmir again. We were some 250,000 who remained unconverted after centuries of Muslim persecution in a population of some two million.

 

[Aupmanyav]

I've been watching this for a very long time. .. It's not that Hindus want special privileges, it's just that Hindus want a fair shake.

I think you are getting it right. Hindus are being divided for political purposes, see what is happening in Tamilnadu, and we are not being fairly treated in our own country. How does it happen. It happens because the members of the ruling party are given a free hand to siphon public money, our illiterate populations is swayed by reservations, though the poor hardly benefit by that (why, because the rich among those sections of population too are eligible for it and they take the cream). Congress is headed by a Catholic woman and her children. But this time, it does not seem likely that they will be returned to power. Because of the divisions, the Hindu party also will not be able to get power. We will get probably get a coalition of corrupt people to rule the country in the 2014 national elections.

 

[Stormcry]

Dear shivafan

I was talking about mlechha whose birth is not in hindu families . Mleccha are those whose homeland is outside of Bharata.

Nom-hindus are not original habitants of bharata. Veda vysa calls mlecchas as sons of kali (yuga) . Everytime the Bharat goes under kaliyug, mlecchas invade india and they try to destroy veda . Indian non-hindus are too mlecchas . Muslims and christians came in india during ruling of muslims and christians. In every kaliyuga , such invasion of mlecchas ( castless) occurs.

BTW, I don't love evils who destroyed our krishna and rama temples .

 

[Nyingjé Tso]

Vannakam,

I was talking about mlechha whose birth is not in hindu families . Mleccha are those whose homeland is outside of Bharata.

Indian non-hindus are too mlecchas .

Congratulation into deeply offending every west born indian and converts on this forum. What you say is called racial discrimination, and is deeply insulting to all sincere devotees that are not born or able to live in India.

See how a impure race mleccha woman like me have, and will always have the deep devotion and love for ShivJi. How I am working SO HARD to learn and practice the centuries old rites and priestly duties that most of young indians now don't even care and let die.

So I am an impure insult to your holy race ? Then, I am more than happy to be like that.

Because you make a difference, but God doesn't. And I don't worship you, who make a difference. I worship God, who don't make difference between his/her devotees.

What is pure and what is impure at the feets of God, let me ask you ? What is race for a Atman ?

I am not born indian in India this is for sure. But that doesn't mean I am a filthy unclean barbarian that will never be able to be a "true" hindu. Because me, and MANY CONVERTS, have given enough proof of their devotion and sincerity not to be considered "inferior" in any way to born indians.

Aum Namah Shivaya

 

[Vinayaka]

Dear shivafan

I was talking about mlechha whose birth is not in hindu families . Mleccha are those whose homeland is outside of Bharata.

Nom-hindus are not original habitants of bharata. Veda vysa calls mlecchas as sons of kali (yuga) . Everytime the Bharat goes under kaliyug, mlecchas invade india and they try to destroy veda . Indian non-hindus are too mlecchas . Muslims and christians came in india during ruling of muslims and christians. In every kaliyuga , such invasion of mlecchas ( castless) occurs.

BTW, I don't love evils who destroyed our krishna and rama temples .

How old are you? I think it's time you moved around more, to see more of the world.

 

[Stormcry]

But that doesn't mean I am a filthy unclean barbarian that will never be able to be a "true" hindu.

Dear sister,

You can practice hindu dharma. But you cannot become a hindu varna holder.

Our scriptures don't mention any conversion of castless into varna dharma. At least you cannot become the person born in bramhana family like me.

In mahabharata, krishna says that one gets birth in bramhana family after doing many virtues from millions of previous lives.

 

[ShivaFan]

Namaste H(luv)K

My "standard" understanding of the word mleccha (note the English spelling varies, so that adds to the confusion) is a "foreigner" but later was often applied specifically to Muslim invaders.

But my recollection, though you do not like Prabhupad, I recall a detailed historical background on this word by one of his disciples, let me try and find that.

But I will also write personally to someone who is an Indian and an expert on these matters and who has authored many Hindu books. This may take some days, as I am overbooked with work now that the new year has started.

Om Namah Sivaya

 

[Maya3]

Dear shivafan

I was talking about mlechha whose birth is not in hindu families . Mleccha are those whose homeland is outside of Bharata.

Nom-hindus are not original habitants of bharata. Veda vysa calls mlecchas as sons of kali (yuga) . Everytime the Bharat goes under kaliyug, mlecchas invade india and they try to destroy veda . Indian non-hindus are too mlecchas . Muslims and christians came in india during ruling of muslims and christians. In every kaliyuga , such invasion of mlecchas ( castless) occurs.

BTW, I don't love evils who destroyed our krishna and rama temples .

This is unbelievable.
Not only is it uneducated when it comes to biology, it is against what the dharma tells us about who we are.
Your comments show how ignorant you are about where Hinduism is right now how many followers it has and where these followers come from and where they live.


Not to mention that it is against the rules of conduct.

I have not participated in this discussion because I don´t know enough about what the thread began with, but I can´t sit silently at such blatant racism.

Maya

 

[Stormcry]

According to sanskrit, mleccha mean impure.

According to puranas., mleccha are those who live out side. of bharata., who is castless and non-vedic.

Sivafan' Don't defend yourself. .Mlecchas includes not only muslims but also christians.

According to puranas every castless person ie non-hindu is a mleccha . Purana doesnt refer only muslims as mleccha.

In general mleccha means. :


1) A barbarian,a non Aryan ( One not speaking the Sanskrit Language or not conform in to Hindu varna families ),a foreigner in general.

2 ) An castless not belonging to four varnas, a very low man,

 

[Nyingjé Tso]

Vanakkam

You seems to forget that puranas are not the universal general standard of all Hinduism. This is the scripture you hold true for you, for your sect, the lineage you follow maybe, but it is not the autoritative scripture of all Hinduism.

You hold Vaisnav purana true, I don't. I hold Veda and agama as true, you don't. We are from different schools and philosophy, and Hinduism is a huge cloud of different schools and philosophies.

YOUR opinion based on the scriptures YOU hold true as per your beliefs are NOT the general standard of Hinduism.

Just as MY opinions, SHIVAFAN's opinion, MAYA's opinion or whoever other specific Hindu opinion is NOT the general and universal standard of Hinduism.

Instead of preaching horrible racial discrimination using the teaching you hold true, please keep in mind that they are only true to yourself and that others come from different schools and philosophies.

Purana is a scripture, but not "THE" unique real truth that drive Hinduism.

Why are you calling me sister after calling me and a big part of people here "mlecchas" ? Please, don't associate me with the intolerant kind you are, I prefer to be the sister of my fellows unclean people here and the sister of open and tolerant Hindus here. Thank you.

Now answer my question: what is the difference between the western Hindu and the Indian Hindu after death, when reaching the feets of God ?
Aum Namah Shivaya

 

[nameless]

Hinduismlovekrishna,

By reading your posts i am feeling myselves bad for having born into an indian hindu family, your ideas are that so stupid. Where are the mentions of non-indians in puranas or vedas? prove the credibility of your stance. Also puranas are not the history book of hinduism, when did the devas or asuras ever existed in earth?

 

[Nyingjé Tso]

Vanakkam,

You should engage in preserving the ancestral rites, culture and traditions that are under treat as much by other religion proletizing than by young indian generation that doesn't care about them, instead of saying nonsense to people on the internet !

This is truly uneducated and unbelievable to read that here. Such hate speech is even more horrible to read when it is said with a smile and a "sister/brother" ! Just... Just how dare you ?


Aum Namah Shivaya

 

[nameless]

If Hinduism and Hindu Nationalism is strong, why the worry?

If hinduism or hindu nationalism was so strong, then the congress(anti-hindu) would not have ruled india the past decade. And numbers does not matter in india, as most of them are mindless illiterate dumbs.

Why not educate Hindus to be stronger in the faith, rather than to fear any external influence(s)?

I find no reason actually to educate hindus for the fear of external influences, that is not hinduism is for(IMO), hinduism should be taught for much higher purposes than that. If there comes any external force with the sole intention to destroy hinduism, then it should be dealt in different manner.