Hinduism: Ask your Questions

[nawab]

Dude Suraj, beleive me i am laughing at you more than being angry at you because the way you are behaving is just like what in our cultures we would say a man wearing Bangles, I am sure you know what it means well anyway this was a personal message to you i wont translate it for the rest of them.

I just asked you a question, and you became offended i want to know if this is the manner you will answer there questions, regarding my personality yes i agree its millitant i get angry quickly but thats due to the surronding i am brought up, my father was in the army, so as my grandfather and his fathers, this is how childrens in our families are brought up inshallah when we learn more about islam and practice it then my personality might change.

Moreover, my questions as you claim were not innocent questions i know you didnt have/ and will never have the answers to these questions, what i was doing was questioning you based on battle of wits. i am just trying to draw your attention that when Lord Shiva chopped Ganesh head off why couldnt he revive him, you couldnt answer you felt its insulting well alot of people here did the same about islamic topics no one Muslim gets offended because we know that there is nothing in islam which the non-muslim can laugh about

My final question to you will be what can you expalin about the below Prophecy in Bhavishya Purana parv:3, Khand:3, Aday:3

O Raja! Your Arya Dharma has been considered to be the best of all religions, but according to the commandments of the Supreme Controler[GOD], I shall enforce the strong creed of the Pishachas

My followers will see to it that men are circumcised[all muslims are circumcised] and that they wear no shikha on their heads. Instead they will wear beards and behave against brahminical principles. They will call out loudly in their prayers[Adhan]. They will eat all lawful things except the swine. They will not seek purification by sitting on Kusha grass, rather their purification will come by warfare. They shall be known as Musalman[muslims] because of their battles with irreligious nations, and I shall be known as the originator of this pisaca-dharma.

can you explain why this prophecy is in a Hindu Scripture

 

[Breathe]

Can I ask on Hindu opinions on Zoroastrianism?

 

[Surya Deva]

Nawab,

I am no longer interested in responding to any of your questions, which are but thinly veiled attempts to say your religion is better. It shall suffice to say for now that the information you have from Islamic fundamentalist sites is incorrect, and if you have a sincere intention to know, I suggest you go research it from non-fundamentalist sites.

 

[Don Penguinoini]

Can I ask on Hindu opinions on Zoroastrianism?

Hinduism itself does not have an opinion on an outside religion. Hindus do, however. The general belief is that many live peacefully among many Hindus' in India.

There are some who may believe it to be a false religion, much like the Abrahamic view on other world religion, but the Dharmic religions are accepting, and believe they are one of the many paths to God.

 

[Surya Deva]

Odion,

A new thought doing the rounds today by Witzel called, "Aryan Migration theory" a variant on the controversial Aryan Invasion theory, states that the Vedic religion and the Zoroastrian religion were originally part of each other, but they split and the Vedic Aryans migrated eastwards into India and mixed with the Dravidian culture and the Zoroastrians remained in Persia. This is strongly believed because of the strong similarities between Zoroastrianism and Vedic religion.

The problem with this theory is that like its cousin's Aryan Invasion theory it is does not establish the directionality of the migration conclusively, but rather the directionality is assumed. The older theory just assumes the Aryans were white-skinned nomads from Europe, mainly because of racial politics. It could just be as valid to say that the Aryans were indigenous Indians that migrated out of India(known as the Out Of India theory) but this is very difficult for some racist scholars to accept. However, there is ample evidence, near conclusive evidence that Vedic Aryans are indigenous and a part of a continuous and unbroken history of India. All the features of the Vedic civilisation match up perfectly with the Indus Valley civilisation. Moreover, there is absolutely no evidence of any invasion or mass migration in Indian history. Thus the notion of invasion and migration is entirely a fiction of Western scholarship.

It should be interesting note that among the Indo-European cultures, the strongest residue of the pre-existing Aryan culture is found in India and Persia, and the strongest in India. The more westerwards one goes from India to Asia minor and Eastern Europe the weaker the residue. This can only be explained as a diffusion of culture, where naturually the countries that are closer to the origin will have a higher concentration and those further away will have a weaker concentration. Also, you would expect to find a lot more diversity the further out you go, because culture multiplies. Therefore you find more Aryan cultures in Europe than in Asia, and because of this Linguists have argued errornously because more variants of the Aryan culture can be found in Europe than in Asia, that the linguistic centre of gravity must be in Central Asia(near Russia)
The error in this theory is obvious; today we find more English speaking countries with a lot more variants on English culture further out from Britain, therefore using the linguistic centre of gravity theory, the origin of English culture would be anywhere but England.

Before the linguists started trying to prove the anywhere-but-india homeland of Aryans, it was widely held in Western scholarship that the Aryans were Indian. Now, with the death of Aryan invason theory, Western scholarship still continues to deny India being the homeland of the the Aryans, but have brought the homeland much closer to Persia and to the Zoroastrian religion.
However, as stated above, the evidence(See Out Of India theory) is overwhelmingly and near conclusively suggesting that the Vedic Aryan culture is thousands of years older than Zoroastrianism and is a part of an unbroken and continuous history of India.

However, what can be noted is that ancient India and ancient Persia had very strong links and there are records within Indian history which show that parts of Persia were under Indian occupation a long time ago. The Indus empire was vast and enjoyed a similar status in the world as to what America enjoys today, it was spread out all over the world, perhaps even as far as the Americas. This explains why Aryan culture spread throughout the world in ancient times. This empire fell after the Mahabharata war and ecological and climatic changes(there are strong mentions of floods and submerging of lands) and it was then migrations took place from India and outwards. This coincides roughly with the time Zoroastrianism emerged in Persia. Thus Zarasthusra was very likely one of many Indian sages, or descendents of the sages carrrying on the Vedic religion on the eve of major upheavel in its host country.

But it is clear upon reading the Zoroastrian texts that while it is similar to Vedic texts, the style of writing is decidely different and the interpretation differs significantly. Moreover the Devas have become evil and the Asuras good. Thus suggesting a long gap between the Vedas and Zoroastrianism.

 

[Breathe]

I agree Don.
Suraj, thank you for the read. I owe you frubals (but I need to spread some frubals around first ) for the interesting read. I agree with you.

Among this, though, I'm interested in the "Daevas" being closer to "evil" and the "Ahura"[s?] being closer to "good". What do you make of that?

 

[Hema]

are they gods or something or like a prophet figure.

They are Deities which are aspects of God. We consider God to be one but sometimes people might say for instance, Bramha is the God of creation...or it can be said that God is referred to as Bramha when he is creating.

 

[Hema]

Among this, though, I'm interested in the "Daevas" being closer to "evil" and the "Ahura"[s?] being closer to "good". What do you make of that?

The Asuras are the baddies and the Devas are the goodies.

 

[Breathe]

The Asuras are the baddies and the Devas are the goodies.

Yep
But within Zoroastrianism, it's th'other day 'round. What's your opinion on this?

 

[Surya Deva]

In response to Eselam's question in another thread,

Eselam the idea of 7 heavens and 7 hells in Islam is very likely derived from Hinduism. This is exactly the Hindu Puranic belief of there being 7 planes(lokas) of heaven and 7 hells layered on each other. They are:

7 Heavens:

Bhuhloka
Bhavahloka
Swahloka
Mahahloka
Janahloka
Tapahloka
Satyaloka

7 Hells:

Atalaloka
Vitalaloka
Sutalaloka
Rasatalaloka
Talatalaloka
Mahatalaloka
Patalaloka

We are living in Bhuloka at present, the material plane The astral or etheric plane is Bhuvaloka and the celestial plane which is beyond the etheric is Swahloka. A soul which has done good deeds in this life will go to Swahloka(Hindi: Swarg) while a soul which has done bad deeds in this life will go to the lower realms, the lowest being patalaloka. The higher and enlightened soul will enter Mahahloka, Janahloka, Tapahloka, Satyaloka, which are collectively known as brahmaloka(the plane of Brahman) The liberated soul will enter into satyaloka.

Now to understand the structure of the lokas. The Lokas are arranged into a heirarchal order according to their vibration. A soul will enter into the plane that is at their own vibration rate.
The lower planes have a higher density and lower vibration and the higher planes have a lower density and a higher vibration. The lower you go the more dense reality becomes and the higher you go the more light. This is why the higher planes are actually made of light, because matter cannot survive there. Likewise, a soul of a lower vibration cannot enter those planes, or it would be destroyed.

These planes are very much like this world except the laws of space and time are different. The higher planes are vibrating much faster relative to the lower ones. A day there would be thousands of years here. There is actually a Puranic story that illustrates this, a king goes to Brahmaloka on some business and spends some time there, and he is told that thousands of years have passed on Earth since. It is also said that an entire lifetime on earth is but a second in the higher realm.

Ultimately what these planes are is nothing more than an illusion. All is just that supreme entity.

 

[Gharib]

can i ask on a hindu perspective on the universe. what does hinduism say about it. how many there are. what's what and who's who. in islam we believe that there are 7 universes one over the other, so what does hinduism say about something like that

 

[Surya Deva]

Eselam, I just answered your question on the last page, a post before yours, post #250!

 

[Gharib]

ok first of all i wish you didn't thik that islam is a copy religion. i would appreciate that.

know i didn't say that we believe in 7 heavens and 7 hells i said 7 universes. there is only on heaven and one hell(muslim perspective)
so how does one get to those heavens or hell (realms) doesn't life go on after death though, or is that after dying many times or something like a cat with nine liver sort of thing. i mean how many times does one need to die to stop changing to a different being according to karma, i think you explained this before but i don't remember it,

and are the 7 heavens/hells a spiritual journey because you said that there is no heaven nor hell but it is a spiritual world where one would experience before they turn to a different being according to their karma. thats true right.

 

[nawab]

Well it is not really my concern, that if you are interested or not but it only appears to me that you are giving your Hindu brothers a bad image, i am asking you a question according to the topic and just because you dont know how to answer you say i have learned it from Islamic fundmentalist sites, well I am a fundamentalist. and to your supprise i have learned this from a Hindu site not a muslim one.

Well maybe you should change the topic to "ask me what question can you ask and if i am interested i will answer"

Nawab,

I am no longer interested in responding to any of your questions, which are but thinly veiled attempts to say your religion is better. It shall suffice to say for now that the information you have from Islamic fundamentalist sites is incorrect, and if you have a sincere intention to know, I suggest you go research it from non-fundamentalist sites.

 

[nawab]

Well it is not really my concern, that if you are interested or not but it only appears to me that you are giving your Hindu brothers a bad image, i am asking you a question according to the topic and just because you dont know how to answer you say i have learned it from Islamic fundmentalist sites, well I am a fundamentalist. and to your supprise i have learned this from a Hindu site not a muslim one.

Well maybe you should change the topic to "ask me what question can you ask and if i am interested i will answer"

finally i dont promote that my religion is better, my firm belief is that mine is the BEST, not just better. i cant change my beliefs for anyone

Nawab,

I am no longer interested in responding to any of your questions, which are but thinly veiled attempts to say your religion is better. It shall suffice to say for now that the information you have from Islamic fundamentalist sites is incorrect, and if you have a sincere intention to know, I suggest you go research it from non-fundamentalist sites.

 

[Don Penguinoini]

Well it is not really my concern, that if you are interested or not but it only appears to me that you are giving your Hindu brothers a bad image.

No, he is doing a pretty good job, actually.

 

[Surya Deva]

Nawab, I have no time for you. This will be my last correspondence with you.

 

[Surya Deva]

ok first of all i wish you didn't thik that islam is a copy religion. i would appreciate that.

know i didn't say that we believe in 7 heavens and 7 hells i said 7 universes. there is only on heaven and one hell(muslim perspective)
so how does one get to those heavens or hell (realms) doesn't life go on after death though, or is that after dying many times or something like a cat with nine liver sort of thing. i mean how many times does one need to die to stop changing to a different being according to karma, i think you explained this before but i don't remember it,

and are the 7 heavens/hells a spiritual journey because you said that there is no heaven nor hell but it is a spiritual world where one would experience before they turn to a different being according to their karma. thats true right.

I know what Muslims believe. There are 7 heavens and 7 hells: The Islam Factor > Islam and the Grave

Yes, the idea is most likely copied, as the Hindu idea is far older than Islam.

After death the souls enters the mental plane, which reflects their own karma and state of mind. It remains there temporarily and then reincarnates in the world. This continues until the soul has not self-realised in the world through Yoga.

 

[Breathe]

I agree with what you've said, Suraj. However, one quick suggestion...

until the soul has not self-realised in the world through Yoga.

I think you might be best explaining that this is not the yoga most people think of, otherwise you're going to get some questions on "how does exercise help self-realization" from someone.

 

[Hema]

Yep
But within Zoroastrianism, it's th'other day 'round. What's your opinion on this?

Really? LOL Well they are just labels for bad and good. ...they just call them by different labels. That's interesting to know though. :yes: