Hinduism: Ask your Questions

[Surya Deva]

That's right Madonna is going to 7th heaven

Yoga means union for those who don't know. It is a philosophy by which the soul yokes itself with the supreme soul. Hatha Yoga, which involved physical exercise is one limb of what is called Ashtanga Yoga, the 8-fold path, while the most important limbs of Yoga are meditation and and concentration. Also, Ashtanga Yoga is not the only Yoga, there are various kinds suited to various dispositions. One Yoga, Jnana Yoga, is purely based on scientific reasoning; another based purely on devotion to deity. Those who have been following this thread will know about these various types as I have discussed them in more detail earlier on.

 

[Gharib]

I know what Muslims believe. There are 7 heavens and 7 hells: The Islam Factor > Islam and the Grave

Yes, the idea is most likely copied, as the Hindu idea is far older than Islam.

After death the souls enters the mental plane, which reflects their own karma and state of mind. It remains there temporarily and then reincarnates in the world. This continues until the soul has not self-realised in the world through Yoga.

look i don't mean to get off topic but islam is the oldest religion and you guys have copied us and made changes such as worshiping god through idols, having a cow as a mother and not goat or a sheep (not a real mother but you know what i mean), claiming that there are 7 heavens/hells is from islam too.
so you see i can say just about the same thing for your religion so that why i asked you to stop saying that ok, will you listen to me now??

 

[Don Penguinoini]

look i don't mean to get off topic but islam is the oldest religion and you guys have copied us and made changes such as worshiping god through idols, having a cow as a mother and not goat or a sheep (not a real mother but you know what i mean), claiming that there are 7 heavens/hells is from islam too.
so you see i can say just about the same thing for your religion so that why i asked you to stop saying that ok, will you listen to me now??

Islam is not old... We can say Hinduism is older due to scientific evidence.

Hinduism is much older. Some of the things you believe pretty crazy and stupid. Hinduism has never copied another religion.

 

[Surya Deva]

No you can't. Your religion came thousands of years after Hinduism. Therefore if anybody copied it was you. Besides we already know your religion copied many religions, Arabic Paganism(mixed with Hinduism), Judaism, Christianity. This is what history tells us.

Besides if Hinduism copied the concept of 7 heavens and 7 hells from your religion why do we have it far more detail than you do? We even have names for each level of heaven and hell and a full understanding of how they operate and what each level entails. It also fully within the Vedic context and we can scientifically trace it our oldest scriptures which date to 2000BCE. Whereas in your religion all the detail is missing. That clearly shows you borrowed the idea from us.

There are many things in your relgion which are out of context ---- the Kabba for instance. It is clear that the Kabba belonged to another religion. Anyway believe what you want to believe, but the facts are very different.

 

[Gharib]

Islam is not old... We can say Hinduism is older due to scientific evidence.

Hinduism is much older. Some of the things you believe pretty crazy and stupid. Hinduism has never copied another religion.

so what scientific evidence do you have. people who worship idols existed. so what. people who worshiped Allah also existed.

the only stupid thing i can think of is calling a cow a mother.

what proof do you have about hinduism not coppying, your religion says so?
os scientific evidence.

look Don i don't like doing this to you because it looks like an advantege thing for me base on our ages, ok, nut if you wish to continue thats fine

 

[Gharib]

No you can't. Your religion came thousands of years after Hinduism. Therefore if anybody copied it was you. Besides we already know your relgion copied many religions, Arabic Paganism(mixed with Hinduism), Judaism, Christianity. This is what history tells us.

the history of hinduism? theres no other history that says this appart from your accusations

Besides if Hinduism copied the concept of 7 heavens and 7 hells from your religion why do we have it far more detail than you do? We even have names for each level of heaven and hell and a full understanding of how they operate and what each level entails. Whereas in your religion all the detail is missing. That clearly shows you borrowed the idea from us.

we too have names and everything about them. we know what life is like in heaven and in hell, we have way more detail on them than your religion or anyother, but just because i do not know them that doesn't mean that other muslims do not know about them. i haven't studied this part much, well i havn't studied any part much, this is just basic knowledge for a muslim

 

[Surya Deva]

No you don't. Look at the website describing the Islamic heaven and hell beliefs I posted, it is ludicrous. One would have to be very credulous and naive to believe it.

Whereas the Hindu one is based on scientific reasoning, and String theory actually supports the multi-dimension or multi-plane theory of Hinduism, as being distinguished by their vibration and density. It has no rubbish that believers will go to heaven and non-believers will go to hell, it considers heaven and hell as nothing more than mental states and ones level of consciousness decides their mental plane.

 

[Gharib]

No you don't. Look at the website describing the Islamic heaven and hell beliefs I posted, it is ludicrous. One would have to be very credulous and naive to believe it.

Whereas the Hindu one is based on scientific reasoning, and String theory actually supports the multi-dimension or multi-plane theory of Hinduism, as being distinguished by their vibration and density. It has no rubbish that believers will go to heaven and non-believers will go to hell, it considers heaven and hell as nothing more than mental states and ones level of consciousness decides their mental plane.

what scientific evidence? can you show me. has anyone witnessed hell or heavens and has come back to tell of it?
i can imagine my self in a happy place so is that heaven? that would suck.

water has a different density when in differnt states so what, when it is a solid (ice) it is hell when it is a liquid (water) it is earth and when it is a gas (steam) it is heaven. thats an odd theory.

 

[Surya Deva]

Read up on the string theory, it is a predicate of string theory that there are multiple dimensions and higher planes and realms. The higher planes have higher density an vibration of energy and cannot be entered without raising your own energy to that frequency. String theory is the the cutting edge of modern physics.

Hinduism says exactly the same, the soul cannot enter the higher vibratory planes without raising its own frequency. The body cannot enter these realms because it exists on a lower vibratory plane, but the soul because it is made of higher matter(subtle matter) can enter these realms and the more positive karma it accumulates the higher it can ascend into the higher realms.

Read up on near death experience case studies and scientific studies into astral projection and astral travel, and you will find modern science completely supports what Hinduism says.

 

[Gharib]

Read up on the string theory, it is a predicate of string theory that there are multiple dimensions and higher planes and realms. The higher planes have higher density an vibration of energy and cannot be entered without raising your own energy to that frequency. String theory is the the cutting edge of modern physics.

Hinduism says exactly the same, the soul cannot enter the higher vibratory planes without raising its own frequency. The body cannot enter these realms because it exists on a lower vibratory plane, but the soul because it is made of higher matter(subtle matter) can enter these realms and the more positive karma it accures the higher it can ascend into the higher realms.

Read up on near death experiences and scientific studies into astral projection and astral travel, and you will find modern science completely supports what Hinduism says.

you really love basing your religion on science don't you. (i know asked for scientific proof, but i just think that).
well i too can say that there is a real heaven and hell and physical pain unlike your belief. i too have evidence. the people who do good in this world are rewarded with wealth or good things where as the bad people the siners are punished ie. go to jail, get fired from work, etc. so again we came to the same conclussion as before. i prove you wrong you prove me wrong, you cannot tell people that the perspectives of your religion are true, mine are too, so what. and do not say that islam has coppied other religions, this is the third time that i ask you,

 

[Surya Deva]

Science itself bases itself on Hinduism. The top scientists of quantum physics, including the father of quantum physics, praise Hinduism and based their theories on Hinduism. In fact even an atheist and astrophysicist like Carl Sagan is in praise of Hinduism.

I think you will need to have to concede at some point that Hinduism is a genuine and true religion. The only scientific religion and one that will make you realise the fundamental truths about reality and your self.

 

[Gharib]

Science itself bases itself on Hinduism. The top scientists of quantum physics, including the father of quantum physics, praise Hinduism and based their theories on Hinduism. In fact even an atheist and astrophysicist like Carl Sagan is in praise of Hinduism.

I think you will need to have to concede at some point that Hinduism is a genuine and true religion. The only scientific religion and one that will make you realise the fundamental truths about reality and your self.

guess what?
religion isn't based on science, but belief. so just because you have some people praise hinduism that doesn't mean it is a true religion, that is a very low point to think of it that way,
and islam is a true religion too, the whole world revolves aroud the islamic belief of heaven and hell just as you though that you a string relovles around hinduim

 

[nawab]

suraj, i challenge you if you can answer my questions, i know you cant thats why you have chosen the easy way out.

Islam is copied from Hinduism because of the seven heavens and hell, well this is just different stages for different belivers and disbelievers and is not a fundamental belief for muslims, if Islam was copied from Hinduism than the prophet forgot to copy these ideas as well,

1) to worship the cows as thier mothers
2) to worship other animals e.g. monkeys
3) to create a temple of rats, not hundreds of rats but thousands of rats and the priests should eat with the rats in the same plate
4) to worship idols
5) to be vegitarian
6) to purify yourself in river Ganga where people wash thier clothes, animals, throw the ashes of dead
7) to make castes among the brethren, some whom you cant even enter the temple with, and eat
e.g. a brahman is different than a rajpoot and a rajpoot is differnt from a business man and achoot (untouchables)(no wonder many achoots are converting to christianity or Islam)
8) forgot to create a Lord Shivas Sexual organ
9) forgot to tell us to burn our wives with us alive when we are dead (Saathiya)
10) forgot to copy the supremecy of the clergy e.g. Brahmins, Swamis, Achariyas

Hinduism is just a form of oppression towards their own inocent people by the Brahmins its actually Brahmanism, the Brahmins in order to secure thier own supremecy. thats why in Discovery Channel they are telling us that Hinduism is dying out christanity, islam and atheism is taking over.

 

[Surya Deva]

Sorry I would say a religion based on a belief and not science is false. It is one that promotes blind belief, and I know for a fact which religions are false, and sorry in my estimation that includes yours as well. You have no way for demonstrating that your religion is true, and yet what Hinduism says is supported by science and logic. It says nothing that is disgreeable to ones sense. Everything within it makes sense. I cannot say the same for your religion, because nothing about it makes sense. The idea that it is the oldest religion, when it is clearly isn't; the idea that heaven is where men enjoy 1000 virgins each and eat grapes and are attended to by nubile boys(homoeroticism creeping in there...); the idea that non-believers go to hell and many other such absurdities. That is not heaven, that sounds like a males sexual fantasy.

On the back of faith anybody can say anything and that is simply unacceptable to me. There has be a valid way of knowing what one knows and your religion completely lacks that.

 

[Gharib]

Sorry I would say a religion based on a belief and not science is false. It is one that promotes blind belief, and I know for a fact which religions are false, and sorry in my estimation that includes yours as well. You have no way for demonstrating that your religion is true, and yet what Hinduism says is supported by science and logic. It says nothing that is disgreeable to ones sense. Everything within it makes sense. I cannot say the same for your religion, because nothing about it makes sense. The idea that it is the oldest religion, when it is clearly isn't; the idea that heaven is where men enjoy 1000 virgins each and eat grapes and are attended to by nubile boys(homoeroticism creeping in there...); the idea that non-believers go to hell and many other such absurdities. That is not heaven, that sounds like a males sexual fantasy.

On the back of faith anybody can say anything and that is simply unacceptable to me. There has be a valid way of knowing what one knows and your religion completely lacks that.

well islam is verified by science too, would you like me to go over the previous example (the one about good and bad people just as you did with the string).
and if you wish to speak about logic in religion that is a very bad point for your religion i recon, and by the way i'll ask you 2 questions:
1) what logic beliefs are in the hindu religion (meaning what things are logic)
2) what non-logic beliefs do you see in islam.

and as for your last part it is not us muslims who worship the manhood of a male nor the womanhood of a female but it is you guys who do that, so i'd say your religion is about sexual fantasy. and that stuff you have mentioned about islam and our belief in heaven that means that we will have women who are clean from sin (clean from being touched by men other than their husbands) and we won't have thousands, only Allah knows that.

you say everything within hinduism makes sense, right.
so what about calling a cow a mother, what about burning the dead, burning food, milking a cow is a sin, killing a cow is a bigger sin than killing a human, humans get turned into animals if they have sined, etc. do you wish for me to go on.

 

[bhimashelper]

Eselam,

is it not true that you are commanded to lie to non-believers (taqiyya) in your Qur'an? so that means we can take nothing you say seriously. If the Qur'an is truly written by God, then it must mean that God is evil, and I find the idea of an evil God to be ridiculous.

 

[Gharib]

Eselam,

is it not true that you are commanded to lie to non-believers (taqiyya) in your Qur'an? so that means we can take nothing you say seriously. If the Qur'an is truly written by God, then it must mean that God is evil, and I find the idea of an evil God to be ridiculous.

i see someone has found his maners. it's my old friend again. what religion did you say you follow i forgot.

we are not commanded to tell lies, you are right. we are sopposed to tell people about islam but we shouldn't expect them to accept it. they just need to know about it.
what are you saying with this

is it not true that you are commanded to lie to non-believers (taqiyya) in your Qur'an? so that means we can take nothing you say seriously.

are you confused or me? are you saying that non believers need to take us serioulsy or not.

and tell me what makes you think Allah is an evil god, give me your examples and reasosn. and don't look at one side of a page in a book but look at both sides, you might be surprised.

 

[Surya Deva]

I grow tired of these Muslims now. I am only going to respond to questions about Hinduism now, sincere questions with intent to learn something about this religion.

 

[Don Penguinoini]

so what scientific evidence do you have. people who worship idols existed. so what. people who worshiped Allah also existed.

the only stupid thing i can think of is calling a cow a mother.

what proof do you have about hinduism not coppying, your religion says so?
os scientific evidence.

look Don i don't like doing this to you because it looks like an advantege thing for me base on our ages, ok, nut if you wish to continue thats fine

How Old Is Islam? - History Fact Finder
To start, ill quote this website.

Islam dates to the early 600s, when the prophet Muhammad (c. 570–632) received a revelation from Allah (God) and began gathering followers. Muhammad was born in the city of Mecca in present-day Saudi Arabia. Orphaned at age six, he was raised by relatives who trained him to become a merchant. Muhammad was known for his honesty, and when he was twenty-five years old he married Khadijah, a rich widow fifteen years his senior. Muhammad was disturbed by conditions in Mecca, where rich traders took advantage of the poor. Drunkenness, gambling, and violence against women and children were common.
In 610 Muhammad was meditating on Mount Hira when he started having visions. His companions wrote down some 600 of these visions in a book called the Koran (also spelled Qur'an). The Koran became the holy book of Muhammad's followers, who were soon called Muslims. The religion founded by Muhammad became known as Islam, which...

I'd just like to note, they are not slating Muhammed there, jsut saying how bad Mecca was at the time.

Ok, now for Hinduism

The earliest evidence for prehistoric religion in India date back to the late Neolithic in the early Harappan period (5500–2600 BCE).[65][66] The beliefs and practices of the pre-classical era (1500–500 BCE) are called the "historical Vedic religion". Modern Hinduism grew out of the Vedas, the oldest of which is the Rigveda, dated to 1700–1100 BCE.[67] The Vedas center on worship of deities such as Indra, Varuna and Agni, and on the Soma ritual. They performed fire-sacrifices, called yajña, and chanted Vedic mantras but did not build temples or icons.[citation needed] The oldest Vedic traditions exhibit strong similarities to Zoroastrianism and other Indo-European religions.[68]

From the great Wikipedia itself.

I have to say, Eselam, you are being really immature, taking lame shots against Hinduism. There are plenty of things one can say about Islam, but no-one does out of respect. It seems obvious you have no respect for anyone.

Age does not matter, it obviously seems you have the mind of a three year old with such lame pot shots...

EDIT: New evidence suggesting it is even older...
This cut from Wikipedia is about the RIgVed, the central text (part of the vedas) of Hinduism. The Gita is a central text too.

It is one of the oldest texts of any Indo-European language. In 2007 Rigveda was acknowledged as an ancient documentation from India by UNESCO world heritage.[4] Philological and linguistic evidence indicate that the Rigveda was composed in the Sapta Sindhu (the Punjab), corresponding to the North-Western region of the Indian subcontinent, roughly between 3500–3000 BCE (the early Vedic period). There are strong linguistic and cultural similarities with the early Iranian Avesta, deriving from the Proto-Indo-Iranian times, often associated with the early Andronovo (Sintashta-Petrovka) culture of ca. 2200-1600 BCE.

 

[Don Penguinoini]

i see someone has found his maners.

You cant talk about manners. You are the rudest Muslim i have ever encountered.

ALSO: This is only for question about Hinduism!

I am opening a new thread, Suraj. These Muslims are driving me up the bend...