Hinduism: Ask your Questions

[nawab]

See Don, so you should ask questions according to your standards, obviously i am going to ask you rgarding stuff which i dont understand if anyone who deserves to be worshipped should be the most powerful and uncomparriable and for him to kill and raise people alive should be the most easiest thing but Shiva couldnt revive his son so i dont understand this part but since this is your weak point in your religion you and suraj felt offended. now i even had a question about devadasis that how are they related to hinduism. now i am sure you will feel offended too. regarding islam i never promoted anything in regards to Islam its only when you counter argued with some Islamic issues and we were forced to explain.

Nawab (this actually goes for anyone) if you have REAL sincere questions about Hinduism then we want to answer them. But we find the pair of you have made it about Islam after, we need to stick to topic, to answer question just about Hinduism.

 

[Luminous]

reviving sons is yet to be seen. many polytheist gods of the mediterreanean 'revived' their 'sons' at one point or another acording to religious texts.

 

[Surya Deva]

Nawab,

Your questions are veiled insults, deliberaly posed to defame and and provoke a negative response. It is called trolling. If you had a similar thread and I came in and started asking questions like, "Was Mohammed a pedophile", "Is Allah a pagan god" you too would react as Hindus have reacted in this thread to your questions. Ask sincere questions, which are friendly and positive and get sincere answers.

Anyway I will give you quick answers to your question on Shiva cutting his son's head of. It's a myth and because it is a myth cutting the son's head of doesn't kill it. All the Puranic stories have a moral and they employ all kinds of narrative, outrageous descriptions, and imaginary situations and characters to tell that moral. So read them like myths and you won't be asking, "Hang on, this couldn't have happened" We know

 

[Surya Deva]

In Hinduism we actually have a whole collection of myths and fairytales and we actually know they are myths, unlike some religions which take myths to be literal. The Puranas are full of myths, they try to explain Vedic concepts, Hindu values, tell about great personalities to the masses, using storytelling.

You familiar with Kartik and Ganesha galactic race? Kartik and Ganesha each wanted to get married, so Shiva and Paravati, their mommy and daddy, told them to have a race to around the universe 7 times and back, the one that gets back first will be the one gets married first. So the race began and Kartik sped ahead and Ganesha was very slow. Then Ganesha started going round mommy and daddy 7 times, mommy and daddy said, "What are you doing, go or Kartik will win the race" and Ganesha responded, "You said go around the centre of the universe, and I hold you to be my centre of the universe, thus going around you is the same as going around the universe. Mommy and daddy were impressed and declared him the winner(meanwhile, Kartik was busy speeding around the universe)

It is obvious to anybody with half a brain cell that this is not a literal event, it is a story and has a moral. The moral is of respecting your parents and considering them like your god, which is a core value of Hinduism. Incidentally, Shiva, Parvati and Ganesha are considered the ideal family.

 

[Gharib]

well suraj what was wrong with my questions, why did you guys lash out at me for. were they offencive to you?
you went through all that truoble with nawab and now you answered his questions, why didn't you do it in the first place and you could have prevented all that trouble.

can i still make questions here or am i banned just like in the other one, i have some questions,
NOTE: they aren't sopposed to be offencive nor rude, they are sencere questions that i have got in my mind just reently while discussing something with another hindu follower.

 

[Don Penguinoini]

well suraj what was wrong with my questions, why did you guys lash out at me for. were they offencive to you?
you went through all that truoble with nawab and now you answered his questions, why didn't you do it in the first place and you could have prevented all that trouble.

can i still make questions here or am i banned just like in the other one, i have some questions,
NOTE: they aren't sopposed to be offencive nor rude, they are sencere questions that i have got in my mind just reently while discussing something with another hindu follower.

Ok, your not banned, if it is a sincere question, not jsut to mock, insult or ridicule Hinduism, then we would be pleased to answer it.

 

[Gharib]

ok i will just go and copy it because i don't remember what i wrote. hang on a second

 

[Gharib]

can i ask some questions related to this i hope you don't mind and please do not think that i am trying to be rude or dissrespectfull i would appeciate that.

how does one reach a higher level of devinity?

and say if someone dies and they become an animal for example (if one kills animals or is a siner then thy turn to a lower life form is that right?)
so would they have the conciousness as before (will they be able to remember how life as a human was) will they have any memorries of the previous life (ie. a human one)

i'll get the others as well

 

[Gharib]

the life of an insect or anything appart from a human has no free will but that of a human does, right. so which of these life forms is better to be in. and do all animals turn to human if they follow that which they are sopposed to (they have no free will so they have to obey everything otherwise they don't become humans)

 

[Gharib]

in this world isn't the human form the more sacred one, for then is the only time when one can reach complete devinity. as a lower life form one needs to work his way up to the human form , right. (i think this is also related to the above question i made, i think i answered my own question ) and as a human, then and only then, can devinity be reached and thus leading to the master (the bigger being) after death, is this right so far.

 

[nawab]

thats what i am saying because you cant answer them so you consider them to be insults what am i saying,

look i welcome you to start a thread by these two topics because these are not insulting questions to me, you have the right to ask me silly questions but for me its not silly i get to learn about what is the things in my religion which non-muslims get confuse about these are just so called feedbacks, i wouldnt react, any non-muslim can ask me any questions why would i be insulted by Muhammads Child marrige it doesnt make sense bro, do not treat everyone like you even if you ask me or even Eslam or any sensible muslim he shouldnt have any rights to feel insulted, because these are the things that you do not understand, its our job/obligation to clarify to you no matter how silly it may sound, you can check all my reponses to questions directed at islam no where did i felt insulted or even mention that you are attacking islam, i still treated all the questions to be inocent questions, even they might not be

now since you have replied my question finally after a hard effort of explaining ourselves (me and Eslam) now i want to post a response to your answer if you allow me I will post if not i just have to accept that as your point of view and probably direct you another question

Nawab,

Your questions are veiled insults, deliberaly posed to defame and and provoke a negative response. It is called trolling. If you had a similar thread and I came in and started asking questions like, "Was Mohammed a pedophile", "Is Allah a pagan god" you too would react as Hindus have reacted in this thread to your questions. Ask sincere questions, which are friendly and positive and get sincere answers.

Anyway I will give you quick answers to your question on Shiva cutting his son's head of. It's a myth and because it is a myth cutting the son's head of doesn't kill it. All the Puranic stories have a moral and they employ all kinds of narrative, outrageous descriptions, and imaginary situations and characters to tell that moral. So read them like myths and you won't be asking, "Hang on, this couldn't have happened" We know

 

[nawab]

See Suraj regarding this tale i have heard it, that because Ganesh his vehicle was a rat and the Kartik his vehicle was a peacock naturally Kartik was quicker so Ganesh used battle of wits but i beleive that the story was aimed at a higher purpose it was not simply a battle of wits but to prove that the importance of Mommy and Daddy are incomparriable in the universe, i totally 100% agree with you regarding this story its a very amazing story i beleive people can also learn from this story the importance of the Relationship of ones mother and father, no hesitations regarding the ideal family but my question again is that when we use examples then the examples have to be perfect examples, examples without loop holes dont you think that to use Myths to determin a culture or put it in pratice would effect a persons mentality just like how the Brahmins because of myths consider themselves to be superior and they dont allow Achoots in their temples because they consider them selves to be supported Vedically

In Hinduism we actually have a whole collection of myths and fairytales and we actually know they are myths, unlike some religions which take myths to be literal. The Puranas are full of myths, they try to explain Vedic concepts, Hindu values, tell about great personalities to the masses, using storytelling.

You familiar with Kartik and Ganesha galactic race? Kartik and Ganesha each wanted to get married, so Shiva and Paravati, their mommy and daddy, told them to have a race to around the universe 7 times and back, the one that gets back first will be the one gets married first. So the race began and Kartik sped ahead and Ganesha was very slow. Then Ganesha started going round mommy and daddy 7 times, mommy and daddy said, "What are you doing, go or Kartik will win the race" and Ganesha responded, "You said go around the centre of the universe, and I hold you to be my centre of the universe, thus going around you is the same as going around the universe. Mommy and daddy were impressed and declared him the winner(meanwhile, Kartik was busy speeding around the universe)

It is obvious to anybody with half a brain cell that this is not a literal event, it is a story and has a moral. The moral is of respecting your parents and considering them like your god, which is a core value of Hinduism. Incidentally, Shiva, Parvati and Ganesha are considered the ideal family.

 

[Surya Deva]

Eselam,

Lower animals lack free-will, they are purely instinct driven. Their evolution is purely driven by deterministic forces. At some point these animals attain self-consciousness, and with that comes the ability to choose and this begins to diminish the instinctual aspect until the animal finally attains human form where it gains the rational faculty, the ability to choose between right and wrong. What distinguishes the human from the animal is morality and the knowledge of what is right and wrong and this is why the human becomes subject to karma, because only the human will attach moral labels on actions. Then its evolution is based on its own choices and these choices can either cause it to evolve further or to regress. It is possible that it will regress back to animal form, but only if its consciousness is animal-like; if it is completely savage in a human form it will return back to animal form so it can lose its animal desire before it takes human form again. But most humans, though they may do much wrong, are rarely savage like animals, so most humans will simply reincarnate as human again in a body in which they can lose that desire. Thus reincarnation is simply a purification process and it continues until we have not reached a state of desirelessness. The closer we get to that state the more elevated we become spiritually until we merge into the supreme being itself.

 

[Gharib]

that sounds fair enough. thanks for that.

so in a way even though an animal attacks (such as a lion) they still will get a higher life form (ie. a higher ranking closer to human). is that rue?

and does your religion tell you that which is the lowest life form, say you know that human form is better than all, because of the wrong and right decissions, and what is the second most better form after a human, do you have that sort of information in your scriptures or is that not important about which life form is better than which appart from human which is everyones aim in order to reach devinity and to merge into the higher being or the supreme being as you have said.

 

[Surya Deva]

The lowest life form is a single cell and the highest is human. Hinduism is not interested in the second to last, third to last, fourth to last. There are 8,400,000, life forms the soul passes through. Imagine going through all of them by name, it would be a pointless exercise.

Yes, the lion's soul eventually attains human form too. It does not accure negative karma, because the lion's nature is to kill and it sees nothing wrong with it. It is only the human that enters the karmic loop, because only the human attaches moral labels.

 

[Gharib]

The lowest life form is a single cell and the highest is human. Hinduism is not interested in the second to last, third to last, fourth to last. There are 8,400,000, life forms the soul passes through. Imagine going through all of them by name, it would be a pointless exercise.

yes you are right. i had no idea there were 8,400,000 life forms. that a pretty big numer.

Yes, the lion's soul eventually attains human form too. It does not accure negative karma, because the lion's nature is to kill and it sees nothing wrong with it. It is only the human that enters the karmic loop, because only the human attaches moral labels.

ok well what about a bird. i mean id the form of a bird lower than that of animals with 4 legs, say if a bird dies does it reincarnate to a human straight away or does it become a different animal first. i know this is sort of related to the above statement about being pointless to go over all the forms but i'm just interested about wehte animals in general turn to human straight away or after becoming a larger animal then taking human form.

 

[Gharib]

i also have these questions:
does one know when they have reached complete devinity? and is suicide allowed in hinduism, if i reach complete devinity then if i commit suicide instead of waiting to die is that allowed?

 

[Surya Deva]

They have to complete their evolution. A bird has the consciousness of a bird, and thus just as an apple seed cannot give an orange, a bird cannot become human directly. It has to undergo many changes and go through many forms before it becomes human. Now, bear in mind, human does not necessarily mean humanoid; human simply refers to an intelligent being. A lion if it evolves will go through a completely different evolutionary path and will not look like us when it attains human form. Likewise a bird will not look like us when it attans human form.

 

[Gharib]

what do you mean by a bird not looking like us when it attains human form? is it possible to look like a different creature and to have the intelects of a human being.

 

[Surya Deva]

Eselam,

When one attains divinity or better put is god-realised one knows that person by how they conduct themselves. Such a person will have the confidence of a warrior, they will speak and their words carry so much power they will penetrate deep into our being, they will be super-intelligent, they will be compassionate and loving. Their mere presence would be felt by everyone who encounters them. They will have the power to reveal the whole universe to one. In Hinduism there have been countless people who have become god-realised.

Hinduism does not prohibit anything, so if somebody wants to commit suicide they can, but they will have to bear in mind that their action is foolish, they will have to come back anyway and deal with their issues. Moreover, if one commits suicide because of whatever depression is eating them up, once they end they life they will enter into a state that amplifies whatever depression they had. It would be like sending yourself into hell.

But if you commit suicide because you have reached divinity and thus do it in good consciousness then there is no probem. In fact many great sages have willfully ended their life in old age, not through force, but through the choice that they want to leave their body. In Yoga there is a power whereby you can choose to leave your body. But Eselam, gaining divinity is not the end of ones journey, sharing your divinity with others becomes your next journey. Life is not just an individual affair, life is about being with others and lifting their souls up. The god-realised Risis of our religion did not gain enlightenment and leave the world, they remained here and helped others.