Hinduism: Ask your Questions

[Gharib]

to suraj and any other hindu follower
first i want to say something about the hindu religion ok.
i have come to a conclusion that hinduism isn't a true religion.
and heres why
fistrly i think it is a religon thats built on human perspective, this is my reasoning:
your frien Don said that heaven and hell are on this world, you have said that they are on some spiritual world. know i want to know which of you two is right because its either me who is confused or its you two.
then you come to say that your religion has no idea when man was created, and Don says it was created about 2.5 milion years ago.
then you say that your gods/idols have had no interest in pre-human life right. then tell me who is responsible for the creation of the creatures that existed before humans if your gods aren't taking any responsibility or if your gods werent created before then.
then your other friend Nade says that its best to rely on technology rather then your idols because they are becoming old fashion.
then Don comes in again and makes things even more confusing by saying that when man was created he did not know that god existed (i pressume he is referring to your idols) then if your god didn't want to claim fame and worship from its creature then why did it allow man to descover it or was it lonely or something. or did man become so advanced and powerfull with the help of technology that your gods were no match for its creation.
can you or someone else please answer those questions for me because i want to know wich of you three is right because i have a very important question to make in relation to your gods/idols

this is only a part of that important question:
do your gods/idols have power over the universe. power over things such as nature, the earth, the sky, the planets, the sun, the moon, the stars etc.......
please reply as soon as posible but do not rush into your answer.

 

[Surya Deva]

Eselam,

Do Muslims have a problem respecting or tolerating others religions? One would certainly think that from your posts. I am finding your constant use of the terms your gods/idols to be rude. I believe we have already told you that Hindus believe in one supreme being who has many manifestations, and idols are symbolic representations.

I can't control the answers you are given by other posters. Besides Don was not saying Hinduism says humans are 2.5 million years old, he was referring to what science says. Nade is not Hindu, he is an atheist. He was simply responding to what he perceived to be stupidity on your part and the royal fact that Muslims seem to be stuck in a time warp and need to join the modern world. He is right in that world has moved very far from Mohammeds times.

Please represent what I said accurately or simply use the quote function and quote my text, and reply underneath it. I never said our "gods have no interest in pre-human life" I said major Hindu scriptures have no interest in pre-human life. Hinduism is a religion about humans reaching transcedence. It has no interest in who inhabited this planet before humans. It is about spirituality for one to realise god. It is homocetric(centralised around humans)

then if your god didn't want to claim fame and worship from its creature then why did it allow man to descover it or was it lonely or something. or did man become so advanced and powerfull with the help of technology that your gods were no match for its creation.

You have very absurd views on god. The Hindu god is not this jealous deity living in the sky that commands us to worship him and nor is it lonely. The Hindu god is transcedental entity that is absolute, perfect and infinite. It is permenant and unchanging. It pervades and permeates the entire universe. It is existence. Nothing humans do can affect this being. Anger, envy, lust, fear and pride cannot enter this being. This being is pure and infinite light. There is not a trace of impurity. It loves all unconditionally and abides in the heart of all. It punishes nobody; it discriminates against nobody; it hates nobody.

do your gods/idols have power over the universe. power over things such as nature, the earth, the sky, the planets, the sun, the moon, the stars etc.......

The Hindu god is Ishvara, meaning it is the supreme controller. Not even a leaf could move withouts its will. It controls everything in this entire universe.

 

[Don Penguinoini]

to suraj and any other hindu follower
first i want to say something about the hindu religion ok.
i have come to a conclusion that hinduism isn't a true religion.
and heres why
fistrly i think it is a religon thats built on human perspective, this is my reasoning:
your frien Don said that heaven and hell are on this world, you have said that they are on some spiritual world. know i want to know which of you two is right because its either me who is confused or its you two.
then you come to say that your religion has no idea when man was created, and Don says it was created about 2.5 milion years ago.
then you say that your gods/idols have had no interest in pre-human life right. then tell me who is responsible for the creation of the creatures that existed before humans if your gods aren't taking any responsibility or if your gods werent created before then.
then your other friend Nade says that its best to rely on technology rather then your idols because they are becoming old fashion.
then Don comes in again and makes things even more confusing by saying that when man was created he did not know that god existed (i pressume he is referring to your idols) then if your god didn't want to claim fame and worship from its creature then why did it allow man to descover it or was it lonely or something. or did man become so advanced and powerfull with the help of technology that your gods were no match for its creation.
can you or someone else please answer those questions for me because i want to know wich of you three is right because i have a very important question to make in relation to your gods/idols

this is only a part of that important question:
do your gods/idols have power over the universe. power over things such as nature, the earth, the sky, the planets, the sun, the moon, the stars etc.......
please reply as soon as posible but do not rush into your answer.

Eselam, you MUST understand that Hinduism is unique in the way that responses can differ greatly. No one doctrine or man can represent Hinduism. So many things fall under the name "Hinduism" that a lot of Hindus are very different, I may believe in a God different Suraj (not saying that is the case). Hinduism is a LARGE and flexible religion.

As for the hell part, this is my religious belief, which not wrong, Suraj has his answer too, which is not wrong.

You must understand, i do not believe we are race created by God, i believe in physical evolution, i believe we evolved, now, i cannot know what people thought, but an educated guess would be that the form of human in that time did not understand the concept of God, as time went they understood God. That understanding has grown into these religions today. Idols are not the God themselves, they are a representation of God. The image of God makes it easier for us to worship. This is something that has been discussed on another thread. As humans, we have COMPLETE freedom to think what we want. Now, i cannot answer how we discovered God, i don't know, no-one knows. It is an impossible question to answer. Once again, Earth is not a created object, i do not know how it came into existence, no-one actually does. But it was not likely to have been created by God.

God has control over EVERYTHING. He/she is infinite. There is no end to God, there is no end to the power. God is described to be everything and nothing. This is something which i purely cannot comprehend, for i am just a child, i am not as spiritual as most people here.

Thanks for showing interest in Hinduism, but i am upset to see you think Hinduism is not a true religion, but i think this is purely because you have such a rigid view on reliigon that religion must be a certain way. But, the way i see it is that there is no "set" way to do anything. If life was like this, then humans could have not possibly developed the vast amount of technology we have today.

 

[Surya Deva]

In Hinduism there are perspectives. All perspectives are true on their level of reality. The only things that are true are principles, they are unchanging. All the sects of Hinduism abide by these principles expounded in the Vedas.

Heaven and hell don't exist as places according to Hinduism. They mental states, like dreams, which means that even on Earth one can be in his or her personal heaven or hell. After death the soul loses its body and enters its own mental state which again is either a personal heaven or personal hell. However, just as one can interact with each other on Earth, and people who are alike tend to flock together, likewise in that mental plane souls that are alike flock together and interact with each other. This is where the idea of heaven and hell come from.

In Hinduism there are 7 realms of heaven, the highest being brahmaloka. There are also 7 realms of hell. All of these are temporal states which have a fuzzy existence, where ones own thoughts are real. They don't really exist though and you cannot fulfil your desires there. You can only fulfil your desires when you gain solid, real and physical existence.

This is the only place where you can actually gain salvation. There is no salvation in the heavens and hells, they are illusory.

 

[Gharib]

dear hindu friends
first of all i'm sorry if i have offended or seemed rude in any way that hasn't been my intention.

The Hindu god is Ishvara, meaning it is the supreme controller. Not even a leaf could move withouts its will. It controls everything in this entire universe.

posted by suraj.
im glad to hear that.
i now understand that the idols only represent god so i wont use the term idol(s) i will use Ishvara is that ok by you guys.

now here is my important question that i said i would make.
before i come to that i will fistly say this: do not take this as an offence or in the wrong way.

The Hindu god is Ishvara, meaning it is the supreme controller. Not even a leaf could move withouts its will. It controls everything in this entire universe.

if i prove to you two that Ishvara has no such powers and that it has no power over anything are you two willing to accapt Islam.
just a thought nothing more. and like i said do not take this the wrong way or offencive in any way. please reply by a simple yes or no then i will make my question to you two and either of you can answer

 

[Don Penguinoini]

dear hindu friends

if i prove to you two that Ishvara has no such powers and that it has no power over anything are you two willing to accapt Islam.
just a thought nothing more. and like i said do not take this the wrong way or offencive in any way. please reply by a simple yes or no then i will make my question to you two and either of you can answer

No, it cannot be proven. There is no need to even say Ishvara, just God.

 

[Surya Deva]

Eselam I would soon become a satanist before I become a Muslim

I am interested in your 'proof' I just wonder if it is going to be as eloquent as your other posts

 

[nawab]

In Islam you are either on the path of Allah or Satan

 

[Don Penguinoini]

In Islam you are either on the path of Allah or Satan

That just shows us how tolerant your faith is.

 

[Gharib]

ok no worries its your choice thats why we have free will right.
heres your proof:
i have always claimed that Allah is the Almighty creator who created the 7 universes and everything that is in between them.
he is the Most Gracious the Most Mercifull all praises due to him and no one else for He is ONE. He is the All Knowing and Wise, He is Patient and he is the Forgiver but he also is the Punisher.
Allah has power over everything and anything. so here's my proof.
Allah is the Most Powerfull and with His power He makes the sun to rise on the east and set on the west.
if your god is just as powerfull as you claimed and is equal to Allah Subhannallahu Teala then tell him/her to make the sun go the other way around, to make it rise on the west and set on the east. i can give you three days if you want to and then reply to me. but do not say that it is a lame or stupid example because if your claims are true then your god should be able to do that, for my claims are true and thats my proof that "there is no god but Allah and Muhammed is his messenger"

 

[Gharib]

and by the way Islam is the most tolerant religion because if it wasn't then everyone would be a muslim. we ruled this planet with the will and permission of Allah for over 1000 years and if we weren't tolerant then we would have forced people into islam. and not allowed any other religion on the surface of the earth.

 

[Gharib]

and please be carfull when referring to islam as a non tolerant religion because you can see how i tried resoning with you guys by words and not by violence. so please be carfull with your words.

 

[Surya Deva]

:biglaugh:

Brilliant proof Eselam. I am sure all of RF will convert to Islam now.

 

[Gharib]

Inshallah they do and may Allah open their hearts and guide then to the right path
so i gues that means that your god has no such powers doesn't it

 

[Surya Deva]

That just shows us how tolerant your faith is.

I think the Muslims recently have done a very good job of exposing their own religions: death threats, telling others their religion belongs to Satan and talking about destroying other religions sacred objects. Not to mention hijacking a Hindu thread to convert others to this amazing and enlightened religion.

Wow the peace and tolerance has dumbfounded me

 

[Gharib]

lastly my hindu friends i have come to realise that what you have been saying about the evolition process is true and i will tell you why.
i will say this in response to your great respect about Islam, suraj
the reason why i now beleive in the evolution process is because you two have really proven to me that you have evolved from chimps. you may look like humans on the outside (i'm glad the outside process has finished) but on the inside you are still evolving, especially in the brain part.
because a smart human would be able to destinguish the truth from lies unlike a monkey who no matter what you do to convince it theres just no possible way you could ever convince it.

best wishes from eselam

 

[Surya Deva]

Truths? You know like the earth is flat, humans are created from a clot of blood, the sun chases the moon and goes and rests in the sea at night.... right.

I think the majority of the civilised world are not going to accept the truths....

 

[Gharib]

to suraj
if that is a reply to me my friend then you have lost me. i don't undertand any of that. please make it clear what you are saying

 

[zenzero]

Friend eselam,

o zanzero
Allah doesn't have a career because he is the creator he is the reason why everything exists and i would not call that a career nor a hobby.
tell me this zanzero why would you deserve to be chosen as a prophet. to tell you the truth i as a muslim do not deserve because i can never compare my self to a prophet because my heart can never be as pure as a prophets. i wish it was but thats life. only Allah knows what is in our hearts for He is The All Knowing you too do not know what is in your heart. Allah is for everyone but it is those who understand His power and who fear Him that are able to understand why everything is created and are able to see the light and path which they are soposed to follow. i know all about christianity and i know all about Isa (as) or Jesus as he is called by non muslims. he is a prophet of Allah and as a muslim i have to accept that Isa (as) is a prophet for then i cannot be a muslim (muslims must accept all of Allahs books, prophets, creations such as angels and that everything happens because of the will of Allah the Almighty) and like i have said many times before that Isa (as) never said "I am a son of god worship me" but instead he said "I am a slave of god, worship Allah" and no one has written the Kur'an from his own words because (i've said this before too) prophet Muhammed (saws) didn't know how to read or wright so how could he have written a book with more than 6000 verses. he always told the truth thats one of the characteristics of a prophet and thats why you and i cannot be prophets.

Who is allah and how different he is with God/bhagwan/etc.?
Love & rgds

 

[Don Penguinoini]

and by the way Islam is the most tolerant religion because if it wasn't then everyone would be a muslim. we ruled this planet with the will and permission of Allah for over 1000 years and if we weren't tolerant then we would have forced people into islam. and not allowed any other religion on the surface of the earth.

No you didn't.