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Hinduism: Ask your Questions

anders

Well-Known Member
We seem to agree on jñanya yoga principles and people. I hope I’m correct about that. Here’s where I’m getting slightly excited:

Guru Nanak Dev Ji, Buddha and Hinduism
Your objection is that these are counter-movements to Hinduism. This is a common and highly romanticised misconception. It is like suggesting that Protestantism is a counter-movement to Christianity. In truth, Protestantism is a movement within Christianity, not against Christianity. Likewise, Sikhism and Buddhism are movements within Hinduism, not against Hinduism. In India, Sikhs and Buddhists get on quite well with Hindus on the whole, and many visit each others temples, even accept each others beliefs. In fact even in early history of both religions there was no antagonism between these religions. At the famous Buddhist university of Nalanda, Hindu students were enrolled and Hindu subjects were taught. Thus it is say to say this so called rivalry between them is a modern melodrama, which is usually romanticized by Western Buddhists.

In the case of Sikhs, again it seems to be a modern melodrama again more prevalent with Western Sikhs insisting on a unique identity. Not all Hindus and Sikhs embrace this separatism.
Protestantism is a very pronounced and eloquent counter movement to Roman Catholicism. That’s perfectly equivalent to how Buddhism, Sikhi and Jainism emerged to fight several basic ideas of Hinduism and/or Islam.

Show me one (1) Sikh person anywhere who won’t distance eloquently him/herself for lots of reasons from Hinduism, and we’ll have a discussion. Until then shut up or prove evidence.

BHAKTI: The path of devotion to god. Always chanting his name, always remember him, thinking about him, seeing him everywhere. Almost being compleletely intoxicated by god. Notable Bhakti Yogis include Guru Nanak, Kabir, St Francis of Assisi, Mirabhai

Again, more of a universal trend than anything that can be regarded as the contribution of any one religion,
JNANA: The path of knowledge. To be always be seeking god through knowledge. To meditate, analyse reality and to find him through pure logic(considered the most difficult path) Notable Jnana Yogis include Ramana Maharishi, Swami Vivekananda, Adi Sankaracharya, Swami Krishnananda, Buddha.
Sorry, I find most of the Buddha's teachings quite different from what those you quote will argue.
 

anders

Well-Known Member
We seem to agree on jñanya yoga principles and people. I hope I’m correct about that. Here’s where I’m getting slightly excited:
Guru Nanak Dev Ji, Buddha and Hinduism
Your objection is that these are counter-movements to Hinduism. This is a common and highly romanticised misconception. It is like suggesting that Protestantism is a counter-movement to Christianity. In truth, Protestantism is a movement within Christianity, not against Christianity. Likewise, Sikhism and Buddhism are movements within Hinduism, not against Hinduism. In India, Sikhs and Buddhists get on quite well with Hindus on the whole, and many visit each others temples, even accept each others beliefs. In fact even in early history of both religions there was no antagonism between these religions. At the famous Buddhist university of Nalanda, Hindu students were enrolled and Hindu subjects were taught. Thus it is say to say this so called rivalry between them is a modern melodrama, which is usually romanticized by Western Buddhists.

In the case of Sikhs, again it seems to be a modern melodrama again more prevalent with Western Sikhs insisting on a unique identity. Not all Hindus and Sikhs embrace this separatism.
Protestantism is a very pronounced and eloquent counter movement to Roman Catholicism. That’s perfectly equivalent to how Buddhism, Sikhi and Jainism emerged to fight several basic ideas of Hinduism and/or Islam.

Show me one (1) Sikh person anywhere who won’t distance eloquently him/herself for lots of reasons from Hinduism, and we’ll have a discussion. Until then shut up or prove evidence.

BHAKTI: The path of devotion to god. Always chanting his name, always remember him, thinking about him, seeing him everywhere. Almost being compleletely intoxicated by god. Notable Bhakti Yogis include Guru Nanak, Kabir, St Francis of Assisi, Mirabhai

Again, more of a universal trend than anuything that can be regarded as the contribution of any one religion,
JNANA: The path of knowledge. To be always be seeking god through knowledge. To meditate, analyse reality and to find him through pure logic(considered the most difficult path) Notable Jnana Yogis include Ramana Maharishi, Swami Vivekananda, Adi Sankaracharya, Swami Krishnananda, Buddha.

KARMA: The path of action. To be doing the will of god at all times. To do your duties(your dharma) this include charity, compassion, doing good deeds in general. Ones dharma is given in the Hindu scriptures: the duty of a Brahmana(intellectual) is to teach wisdom; the duty of a warrior is to fight for righteousness; the duty of a king or ruler is to administer fair justice; the duty of a merchant/trader is to create goods for society; the duty of a labourer is to work for the others. There are sub divisions: the duty of a parent is to bring up their children well with good values; the duty of a husband is to support the family; the duty of wife is to manage the family; the duty of a student is to devote their life to study and observe self-control(brahmcharya, including vows of celibacy) the duty of children is to respect and look after their parents; the duty of a friend is to faciliate the growth of their friends; the duty of a brother is to protect his sister; the duty of a sister is to give emotional support to her brother.(Thus the Hindu model of society is one based on harmony, everyone looking out for each other)
 

anders

Well-Known Member
We seem to agree on jñanya yoga principles and people. I hope I’m correct about that.
Here’s where I’m getting slightly excited:

Guru Nanak Dev Ji, Buddha and Hinduism
Your objection is that these are counter-movements to Hinduism. This is a common and highly romanticised misconception. It is like suggesting that Protestantism is a counter-movement to Christianity. In truth, Protestantism is a movement within Christianity, not against Christianity. Likewise, Sikhism and Buddhism are movements within Hinduism, not against Hinduism. In India, Sikhs and Buddhists get on quite well with Hindus on the whole, and many visit each others temples, even accept each others beliefs. In fact even in early history of both religions there was no antagonism between these religions. At the famous Buddhist university of Nalanda, Hindu students were enrolled and Hindu subjects were taught. Thus it is say to say this so called rivalry between them is a modern melodrama, which is usually romanticized by Western Buddhists.
{quote]In the case of Sikhs, again it seems to be a modern melodrama again more prevalent with Western Sikhs insisting on a unique identity. Not all Hindus and Sikhs embrace this separatism.
Protestantism is a very pronounced and eloquent counter movement to Roman Catholicism. That’s perfectly equivalent to how Buddhism, Sikhi and Jainism emerged to fight several basic ideas of Hinduism and/or Islam.

In the case of Sikhs, again it seems to be a modern melodrama again more prevalent with
Western Sikhs insisting on a unique identity. Not all Hindus and Sikhs embrace this separatism.

Show me one (1) Sikh person anywhere who won’t distance eloquently him/herself for lots of reasons from Hinduism, and we’ll have a discussion. Until then shut up or prove evidence.
BHAKTI: The path of devotion to god. Always chanting his name, always remember him, thinking about him, seeing him everywhere. Almost being compleltely intoxicated by god. Notable Bhakti Yogis include Guru Nanak, Kabir, St Francis of Assisi, Mirabhai

JNANA: The path of knowledge. To be always be seeking god through knowledge. To meditate, analyse reality and to find him through pure logic(considered the most difficult path) Notable Jnana Yogis include Ramana Maharishi, Swami Vivekananda, Adi Sankaracharya, Swami Krishnananda, Buddha.
 
Protestantism is a very pronounced and eloquent counter movement to Roman Catholicism. That’s perfectly equivalent to how Buddhism, Sikhi and Jainism emerged to fight several basic ideas of Hinduism and/or Islam.

I will only talk about Buddhism.

Many of the the Basic Ideas of Buddhism nonviolence,Reincarnation,and Dharma you find in the upanishads which predate the Lord Buddha. The Buddha just restated many of the ideas of the upanishads .

Also the Buddhists stayed in the Hindu fold for 200 years after the death of the Lord Buddha.

In India and Nepal Hindus and Buddhists use some of the same temples.

I would even say that there is more of a difference between Advaita Vedanta and the faith of the Vaisnava then Advaita Vedanta and Buddhism.

Hinduism is a very big tent with Atheists, Monotheists, and Monists all takeing shelter from the vulgarities of the world.

If my American Buddhist brothers and sisters feel better in a different category I bow to them and say ok, but to the Hindu it all seems the same.
 
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Gharib

I want Khilafah back
- a fire sacrifice - in which they litrally give back a humble portion in the form of food stuff back to nature by offering as a sacrifice in a fire. We are giving back what we take.

if you are giving it back to nature then shouldn't you bury it? if it camme from fire then burn it but if it came from nature (earth) then why not bury it?
to me that sounds like this: you take the food and you give the ashes,
it's the same as: eating the food and then giving the crumbs back, isn't it
 
if you are giving it back to nature then shouldn't you bury it? if it camme from fire then burn it but if it came from nature (earth) then why not bury it?
to me that sounds like this: you take the food and you give the ashes,
it's the same as: eating the food and then giving the crumbs back, isn't it

Not technically, Eselam. When the ash is formed (ash of the burned stuff) that would be scattered on the ground. By burning it, it becomes lighter and less of a burden on Mother Earth. I also think it is not right to let things decompose on Mother Earth, of course it is natural for that to happen in nature. But humans can have a choice, some like burial, some choose cremation.

Food is to be eaten. The crumbs should not be wasted. We simply give a little bit back to humble ourselves and thank God.

Nice to see you are interesting in Hinduism, Eselam.
 
if you are giving it back to nature then shouldn't you bury it? if it camme from fire then burn it but if it came from nature (earth) then why not bury it?
to me that sounds like this: you take the food and you give the ashes,
it's the same as: eating the food and then giving the crumbs back, isn't it

The idea of the use of fire to make offerings to God is a very old idea. It is used by many cultures all over the world. The ancients saw fire as symbolically the mouth of God.

"Om Brahmarpanam Brahma Havih Brahmagnau Brahmana hutam
Brahmaiva Tena Gandhavyam Brahma Karma Samadhinah" Bhagavad Gita 4:24



The offering is God the ladle with which the offering is made and the oblations are God;and the sacrifical rite ( is God also ) is preformed by the sacrificer who is God, in the fire that is God. He who is absorbed in his actions as God attains God alone.



When this idea of the fire sacrifice is taken to our everyday life. When it is lived in every way and at all times. We will become enlightened and will attain God consciousness in this very life. To the Hindu we do not need to die and Go to heaven. We can be at ONE with God right now. In fact we all are right now,our egos just keep us from this experience of union with the cosmos.
 

Gharib

I want Khilafah back
ok i have another question.
if we drink the milk of a cow then how do we repay it back
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
Two questions.

- What exactly is an avatar? I have seen it understood variously as being a mortal incarnation (Krishna is a flesh-and-bones person in the Mahabharata, right?) or as an alternate aspect of a Deva or Devi. Is it perhaps supposed to be the same thing, not unlike the most common understanding of the role of Jesus in Christianity?

- From what I have read of the Nepal Kumaris, it would seem that calling them "living godesses" is a bit misleading. They seem to be understood as basically chanellers of Durga, and certainly not as a direct corporeal manifestation of that Devi, much less reincarnations of same. After all, Kumaris lose their status due to various conditions, mainly their first menstrual cycle. I don't see how that could be understood as either an avatar, a true Devi, or even reincarnation. Would you like to comment on the Kumaris?

Kumari (children) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 

Gharib

I want Khilafah back
Food is to be eaten. The crumbs should not be wasted. We simply give a little bit back to humble ourselves and thank God.

aren't we god. don't we make god?
you said that god is in everyone, so if god is in us then whcich god are we thanking?

Nice to see you are interesting in Hinduism, Eselam

don't you mean interested?

all the best wishes
 
ok i have another question.
if we drink the milk of a cow then how do we repay it back

Milk or vegetables from the ground are prasad (ie. a gracious gift usually edible, given to us by God ) from our Divine Mother. We have no need to pay our mother back for her gifts.The way I try to show her respect is by taking only what I need and giving more then I take.
 
aren't we god. don't we make god?
you said that god is in everyone, so if god is in us then whcich god are we thanking?



don't you mean interested?

all the best wishes
Im not sure what you mean, but, we thank God which ever God the offering is dedicated too. Some do it to Krishna, Ram, but in the end, it reached one person, God.

Yeah i do :D Poor english.
 

Surya Deva

Well-Known Member
Protestantism is a very pronounced and eloquent counter movement to Roman Catholicism. That’s perfectly equivalent to how Buddhism, Sikhi and Jainism emerged to fight several basic ideas of Hinduism and/or Islam.

You seem to have ignored what I said in my post. I said that they are not movements against Hinduism, they are movements within Hinduism. Just as Catholocism and Protestantism are movements within Christianity.
As I said there has never been a historical conflict between Buddhists and Hindus and Sikhs and Hindus. These movements occured in reaction to social-political circumstances, as opposed to rejection of Hinduism. If they had rejected them they wouldn't have embraced so many of its beliefs and concepts. There have been dozens of movements within Hinduism itself(Tantra, Arya Samaj etc) Hinduism consists of dozens of sects. Now, with Buddhism the difference is more pronounced, because it takes a very different philosophical perspective from Hinduism. While, with Sikhism, the differences are very minor, many of its central beliefs and tenets are pure Hindu.

Show me one (1) Sikh person anywhere who won’t distance eloquently him/herself for lots of reasons from Hinduism, and we’ll have a discussion. Until then shut up or prove evidence.

Your education and upbrining is showing with your last comment. Well, I am Sikh, my mom is Sikh, my grandparents living in India are Sikh. We all embrace Hinduism and do not distance ourselves. As I said, the sharp separatism is political and a relatively modern notion by chest-beating Sikh zealots who want a separate identity which began from Sikh fundamentalists. Their fundamentalism closely parallels Islamic fundamentalism and they were also behind terrorist activity in India demanding a separate Sikh state. Their behaviour lead to many Sikhs living in India being seen with suspicion by Hindus and ethnic riots for the first time in Indian history. The actions of a few Sikhs lead to alienation of Sikhs living in India, for the first time they were seen as separate from Hindus. I feel particularly strong about this because my relatives living during the riots in India were almost killed by angry Hindu fundamentalists. My grandfather was rescued by some Hindus on a bus; my cousins who were kids then hid underneath the bed when fanatics burst into their home with intent of murder(it was incredibly fortunate, that my aunty and uncle were not at home)


Again, more of a universal trend than anuything that can be regarded as the contribution of any one religion,

I think all we were discussing was notable examples, and you objected to the inclusion of Guru Nanak and St Franciscus. I was simply illustrating that the technique is exactly that a technique, belong to no religion.

I do not appreciate people who do not even try to make an attempt to understand what somebody is saying to them. The least that they can do is read what one is saying carefully, acknowledge it and then respond accordingly. If not, why should anyone spend anytime on somebody who lacks basic courtesy?

Bhaki Yoga is a mystical tradition. It uses a technique called japa yoga or naam japa(repetition using a Mantra) and while it is true that this technique is universal today, historically this technique is first used and is strongly associated with the Indian subcontinent. It's first full description is found in the Upanishads thousands of years before it is found anywhere else. Thus , yes it can be said that this is a contribution of Hinduism. It was later adopted by Jainism and Buddhism, then by Christian Mysticism and much later by Sikhism. It is commonly accepted that meditation as a systematic science and tool was developed by Hindus.

JNANA: The path of knowledge. To be always be seeking god through knowledge. To meditate, analyse reality and to find him through pure logic(considered the most difficult path) Notable Jnana Yogis include Ramana Maharishi, Swami Vivekananda, Adi Sankaracharya, Swami Krishnananda, Buddha. Sorry, I find most of the Buddha's teachings quite different from what those you quote will argue.

Well, the point wasn't whether Buddha, Swami Vivekananda, Swami Krishananda, Sankacharya have similar teachings. The point was that they are Jnana Yogis, they use intellect and reasoning as a means of spiritual liberation. So I offered them as examples of what Jnana Yoga is. There are only four religions which approach spirituality with logic: Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism and Taoism. The major analytical schools are Hinduism and Buddhism. This is what is meant by Jnana Yoga.
 
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Surya Deva

Well-Known Member
if you are giving it back to nature then shouldn't you bury it? if it camme from fire then burn it but if it came from nature (earth) then why not bury it?
to me that sounds like this: you take the food and you give the ashes,
it's the same as: eating the food and then giving the crumbs back, isn't it

I think this Vedic Mantra will help you understand why the food is given back in a fire sacrifice:

When you perform Yajna
And offer into fire sacred fire
Oblations of Ghee and other substances
They, being mingled and absorbed
In etherial rays, water and air
Spread througout the space
Invigorate the atmosphere
And give to the people rejuventing rain
and warm rays, light and life, vigour and vitality
(Yajur 2.22)

As already explained to you the fire sacrifice is done as a symbolic act of giving back to nature and to show thanks and humility. But it also has another purpose, which is why it is very popular amongst Hindus, it is said to fill the air with positive and spiritual energies, the scents of the food-stuff fill the air with an aromatic fragrance, destroys air-borne germs and purifies the air. It is said to bring about very positive and benefical effects.

In ancient times the fire-sacrifice was also done to bring about rain. The hydrological cycle was very well understood and the Risis knew that the food stuff will evaporate and mix with the atmosphere, from which will form clouds and the rain that falls from the cloud will bring about more invigouring rain. There have been recent experiments conducted by an Indian scientist(dubbed, "rainmaker") who used the ancient Hindu technique to bring about rains with remarkable results. The ancient technology is similar to cloud-seeding used by modern science.
 
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Surya Deva

Well-Known Member
Two questions.

- What exactly is an avatar? I have seen it understood variously as being a mortal incarnation (Krishna is a flesh-and-bones person in the Mahabharata, right?) or as an alternate aspect of a Deva or Devi. Is it perhaps supposed to be the same thing, not unlike the most common understanding of the role of Jesus in Christianity?

An avatar simply means something that has the likeliness of something. In Hinduism avatar is generally used to mean the likeliness of god. It can be used in a literal sense to mean actual incarnations of god, and in a metaphorical sense, a god-realised person or somebody who is very close to God.

In the literal sense Krishna is widely believed to be god-incarnate himself, literally god has taken human form as Krishna. In the metaphorical sense a really great sage or saint or spiritual leader can be referred to as an avatar. Many Hindus accept Buddha, Mahavira, Guru Nanak as avatars(some even Jesus) and this is reflected in the Puranas mentioning them as avatars of God.

But, you could probably appreciate that to make a distinction between literal and metaphorical can be trickly. Some Hindus literally accept Buddha etc as an avatar of god. The Swaminarayan sect accept Swami Narayana aka Neel Kanth, who lived recently about 200 hundred years ago, as a literal avatar. In general really great saints and sages and spiritual leaders win the title of avatar. But it would be safe to say the majority of Hindus accept Krishna as the true avatar. As Krishna is the only figure in Hindu history that identifies himself as god.

As you probably are aware by now in Hinduism it is believed that god is at the heart of everything and he is manifest the greatest in humans. In some humans he is so manifest that the consciousness of that human becomes completely aligned with the divine consciousness, and that is when that human becomes just like god and becomes known as an avatar. It is believed strongly in Hinduism that every human being will realise that divine consciousness at some point in their journey and that liberated souls merges into god.

From what I have read of the Nepal Kumaris, it would seem that calling them "living godesses" is a bit misleading. They seem to be understood as basically chanellers of Durga, and certainly not as a direct corporeal manifestation of that Devi, much less reincarnations of same. After all, Kumaris lose their status due to various conditions, mainly their first menstrual cycle. I don't see how that could be understood as either an avatar, a true Devi, or even reincarnation. Would you like to comment on the Kumaris?

Kumari (children) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This seems to be a superstitious sect of Hinduism. The notion of avatar is much abused by some in Hinduism who claim that they are also god-incarnate to fool others. It is really subjective who and who isn't an avatar, because one cannot measure what level of consciousness one is at. The closest we can get to any kind of measure is through the outward behaviour of that person, their speech and their capacity for love. When that person has divinity in everything they say and do, that is when they become recognised as an avatar. However, again, one needs eye to recognise these people. Not all of them make a noise. You could be living near to one and will never know about it.
 
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Gharib

I want Khilafah back
As already explained to you the fire sacrifice is done as a symbolic act of giving back to nature and to show thanks and humility. But it also has another purpose, which is why it is very popular amongst Hindus, it is said to fill the air with positive and spiritual energies, the scents of the food-stuff fill the air with an aromatic fragrance, destroys air-borne germs and purifies the air. It is said to bring about very positive and benefical effects.

ok i want to know this: can global warming be stopped in that way? it purifies the air, right, so cant it be used for that purpose, to reduce CO2.
or is that a different thing, it purifies the air spiritually instead of physically ( i hope you understand what i'm mean by that)
 

zenzero

Its only a Label
Friend eselam,

ok i want to know this: can global warming be stopped in that way? it purifies the air, right, so cant it be used for that purpose, to reduce CO2.
or is that a different thing, it purifies the air spiritually instead of physically ( i hope you understand what i'm mean by that)

Friend eselam,
There is a great difference between the two words: meaning and significance. Meaning is found through the mind it is like a formula 2+2=4 But significance is like 2+2=5. Significance is arrived by the no-mind.
Similarly you like to find meaning of significances.
Everyone here by now is a familiar friend of yours provided you take the other in equal manner and at the same time by such unconscious reactions one creates negative karma.
Yes, surely the word *KARMA* would mean something to you whereas it signifies something. Suggest you try and *Google* each word before you make up your mind to react which is not the same as response.
Love & rgds
 

Sui

Member
Thanks for the opportunity to ask such questions Suraj, as I'm quite ignorant of Hinduism. The diversity of it makes it somewhat difficult to get a clear picture. This thread alone has cleared up some of my confusion.

In any case, I have several questions, although I'll stick with one for the moment. It is based on something you mentioned in a previous post, that Hindus shouldn't eat animals so as to respect life and to minimize negative karma. I find this highly respectable, though I am curious: since Hinduism recognizes the Supreme Being as one with the universe and therefore is All-Aware, wouldn't this Being be fully knowledgeable of human nature? Why should we accumulate negative karma if the need for food is just something we cannot control?
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
We need food, but it is often possible to avoid killing animals to obtain it.

Also, it must be understood that karma is more related to actual action than to intent. Intents help, but in the end we suffer the consequences of that we actually do (or fail to do).
 
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