Hinduism: Ask your Questions

[Gharib]

suraj
heres another question for you to answer:
you have claimed that your religion is old but not as old as man itself right. i want to know this first before i make my question.
do hindus go to heaven after death or not (muslims will go to heaven after death but not untill the day of resoruction) (christians also beleive that they will go to heaven so do the jews)
i have another questin that follows this depending on your answer

and also
do hindus beleive that their idols created everything and have power over everything

 

[Don Penguinoini]

suraj
heres another question for you to answer:
you have claimed that your religion is old but not as old as man itself right. i want to know this first before i make my question.
do hindus go to heaven after death or not (muslims will go to heaven after death but not untill the day of resoruction) (christians also beleive that they will go to heaven so do the jews)
i have another questin that follows this depending on your answer

and also
do hindus beleive that their idols created everything and have power over everything

Hello Eselam, i am another Hindu member, i would like to answer your questions, since there is no set doctrine in Hinduism, Suraj's answer and mine may differ, but it probably wont

1. That is true, the first homo-sapien is said to have appeared in East Africa around 2.5 million years ago, and no religion is as old as this, according to Wikipedia, Hinduism originates to about 5500BC, at its earliest.

2. Ok, a lot of responses differ here. A personal one is that there is no heaven or hell, not like you would think of it.

Heaven and hell are both on earth, hell being poor living conditions and heaven being good living conditions. Of course, sometimes people in poor living conditions can do great things compared to people in good living conditions. I think you get me there.

There is the concept of Moksh, in which you completely break out of the birth cycle, and you become an infinite, formless being, who is ever in the sercive of God. A state of bliss.

 

[Gharib]

Hello Eselam, i am another Hindu member, i would like to answer your questions, since there is no set doctrine in Hinduism, Suraj's answer and mine may differ, but it probably wont

1. That is true, the first homo-sapien is said to have appeared in East Africa around 2.5 million years ago, and no religion is as old as this, according to Wikipedia, Hinduism originates to about 5500BC, at its earliest.

for this answer i have another question.
by logic reason one would say that many milions of people have lived on this world and have died before the creation of hinduism right. if your god was really a god wouldn't he have existed before the time of man so that when man was created it tolled him "worship me because im a god". by your answer it is clearly said that your god was created after man. so tell me how can that be. how can the creator be created after its creation or how can the creator exist after the existence of its creation.
and if you as a person don't have any solid proof that no religion is as old as man himself then please do not say that because Islam is. islam is a religion that was created to guide us in this world and to obey the law of Allah, the name Islam may have not been used to refer to our religion before the time of Muhammed (saws) but the religion itself exsits from the very first moment that prophet Adem (as) was created and brought to earth.


2. Ok, a lot of responses differ here. A personal one is that there is no heaven or hell, not like you would think of it.

if there is no heaven or hell then what is the purpose of life, why have we been created


Heaven and hell are both on earth, hell being poor living conditions and heaven being good living conditions. Of course, sometimes people in poor living conditions can do great things compared to people in good living conditions. I think you get me there.

ok if heaven and hell are on earth just as you claim then who gave the rich the right to be rich and who gave the poor the right to be poor. why have the poor been created if they were to suffer and die like animals because of hunger. don't you think that is a test from Allah to see who will mention his name and thank him for everything during bad and good times and who will turn to him for help for ther is non greater helper than Allah


....... formless being, who is ever in the sercive of God. .........]

in the service of which god? your idols/gods or Allah the creator of everything

 

[zenzero]

Friend eselam,

dear zenzero if you too worship Allah then why do it through an idol wich looks nothing like the almighty creator. Allah has never said in the holy Kur'an that you are ordered to worship an idol because I will be in it, he has said that in any direction that you face " I will be infront of you " but do not ever turn to any idol or image for then you are not worshiping me.

Personally what others call God you call him allah some call him bhagwan.
God/allah/bhagwan is the one and same thing which created and in that sense he is everywhere not only in every directions but in everything.

The objective of all religions which are nothing but paths or ways to merge with that god / allah / bhagwan; needs one to STILL his MIND which is possible when the mind is free of any thoughts.
Since it is known that once you start meditating creating an image of a god that thought remains till the end and one cannot be totally free from thoughts and so the writer of koran wanted the followers to avoid craeting/imagining any image.

It is only the lack of understanding of people who interpret koran tells you that images are not allah/god.

Love & rgds

 

[Gharib]

friend zanzero
do you know who the writer of the Kur'an is. it's Allah, it is the word of Allah and no one can dare change anything in it otherwise they will be sent to hell for eternity
and quote if god was "in every direction and in everything " then you and me are gods why fight over it and why worship anything else

 

[zenzero]

Friend eselan,
You are right, we are GOD and need not pray BUT you need that understanding.
Besides there is no god who speaks and that itself is IMAGINATION that koran is allah's word. Anyone who does not have a human face cannot speak human language. Sorry if one is not having some basic understanding of what one is discussing then communication is not possible.
Friend you have to MEDITATE to understand what allah/god/bhagwan/etc is all about.
Love & rgds

 

[Gharib]

Friend eselan,
Besides there is no god who speaks and that itself is IMAGINATION that koran is allah's word.
Love & rgds

if you really want to know wether the Kur'an is just an imagination of Allahs word then i sugest you take the time to read it. im not proposing anything such as a convertion or anything but please read it and then we will talk again. this probably has nothing to do with christianity and i don't know wether you do too, but unlike the bible the Kur'an was revealed only once to the prophet Muhammed (saws) and we do not change even e single word in it because every time you read it is up tu date with everything, unlike the bible where everytime a new pope is chosen they print out a knew bible saying that this one is more accurate that the one before and the same thing will happen when another pope will be chosen ( no offence to any christians)

 

[nawab]

You mean God cant speak the language of humans, God knows every language language of the mountains, of the heavens, if not how would he comunicate with his creation.

 

[nawab]

so since you said my friend needs to MEDITATE, i presume you understood already why dont you tell us than. so what did GOd told you after you meditate

 

[Gharib]

so since you said my friend needs to MEDITATE, i presume you understood already why dont you tell us than. so what did GOd told you after you meditate

eselamu alaykum we rahmetullah we barakatuhu friend
nice reply Elhamduli-llah couldn't have come up with a better one

 

[Surya Deva]

Eselam,

To add to what Don has already said

1. Hinduism is known as Santana Dharma in Sanskrit. It is the eternal religion. It has no founders, it only has discoverers. In the same way a physical scientist any place or any time in the physical world can discover gravity, likewise the spiritual scientist(risi) discovers the eternal religion. This is why the Vedas are called Sruiti and the spiritual scientist a Risi; he/she hears and sees this truth directly in a state of superconsciousness. They are considered apti, 100% trustworthy. There is no reason to doubt what they say.

As for the orgins of humans. Hinduism argues we have evolved through 8,400,000. lower life forms, beginning with single-celled life before we have attained humanity. We have only become human very recently.

2. Heaven and hell are temporal states of mind. It is not exactly correct that the Earth is where heaven and hell are, heaven and hell are places, but not places like physical places. They're quasi objective and quasi subjective. They are a fluidic state and in constant flux. The disembodied souls enter these realms of imagination and remain their temporarily before they reincarate on Earth again. This cycle continues until the soul has not attained Moksha.

I will answer your questions/objections later on. I have to run now.

 

[Gharib]

to suraj
if we have evolved from one thing to another then why have we stopped evolving shoulden't we be growing a tale or something because i as a muslim find it very hard to beleive in this evolution stuff because i and all other muslims know the truth because we beleive in the creator of everything Allah. since we were bacteria or cells then who gave us the soul when we became humans or even who created the cells.

 

[zenzero]

Friend eselan,
Now you are saying it allah has revealed to one person in his entire career?
Then in that case why should I even bother to read it as to me no god speaks .
If someone has written it then surely it is his own interpretation of something he believes as allah which might be his own imagination.
If allah is for everyone, he should speak to others too.
Similarly Christians accept Gods word through Jesus, then you should accept that too as the same as allah.
Love & rgds

 

[Surya Deva]

Eselam,

You should not confuse Hindu evolution with Darwin’s theory of evolution. They are similar, yet different. In Hinduism evolution is a spiritual process fundamentally, not a physical one. The soul has gone through various life forms, so yes in one of its previous life forms you indeed were incarnate as an animal.

In Hinduism evolution is not a theory; it is a fact. It is a fact because we know in the world things don’t just come out of nothing. A complex thing does not appear complex; rather it is built up by simple things. This is true even if you look at the development of a foetus from a single cell. The foetus doesn’t just come into being, it develops in stages. In its initial stages you will find it resembles lower animal life forms.

The foetus develops into a human being because of its DNA code which is passed on through the genes of its parents. We know that all animals have DNA codes, and there is similarity in DNA codes. Humans are mammals and all mammals have similar DNA code, the dissimilarities arise in non-mammal species, but we can see that they are not isolated, there is continuity between them. In other words the lower life forms are the simples from which the higher life form is made (humans). Those simple life forms in turn are complexes of chemicals.

Thus through a very scientific and logical process we can regress from the complexes to the simples and thus come to the conclusion that the first life form must have been a single-celled organism(this is as far as you can go back in biological evolution, before it becoming abiological)

Hinduism takes this further to the point of the big bang(the creation of the universe) So up until now you can see that there is barely any difference between the materialist Darwinian evolution and Hindu evolution. But before the point of the big-bang Hinduism enters into spiritual territory, where a spiritual being has created this world and set evolution into motion.

Some key differences between Hindu evolution and Darwinian evolution

* Not random, only appears to be random.
* The evolution is the soul coming into being, rather atoms combining and recombining. The only atoms only begin to combine and recombine with the spiritual cause.
* The evolution is for the purpose of becoming human to return to god.



Btw, we did have a tail. The physiological proof is the tail bone.

 

[Gharib]

to zanzero
Allah doesn't have a career because he is the creator he is the reason why everything exists and i would not call that a career nor a hobby.
tell me this zanzero why would you deserve to be chosen as a prophet. to tell you the truth i as a muslim do not deserve because i can never compare my self to a prophet because my heart can never be as pure as a prophets. i wish it was but thats life. only Allah knows what is in our hearts for He is The All Knowing you too do not know what is in your heart. Allah is for everyone but it is those who understand His power and who fear Him that are able to understand why everything is created and are able to see the light and path which they are soposed to follow. i know all about christianity and i know all about Isa (as) or Jesus as he is called by non muslims. he is a prophet of Allah and as a muslim i have to accept that Isa (as) is a prophet for then i cannot be a muslim (muslims must accept all of Allahs books, prophets, creations such as angels and that everything happens because of the will of Allah the Almighty) and like i have said many times before that Isa (as) never said "I am a son of god worship me" but instead he said "I am a slave of god, worship Allah" and no one has written the Kur'an from his own words because (i've said this before too) prophet Muhammed (saws) didn't know how to read or wright so how could he have written a book with more than 6000 verses. he always told the truth thats one of the characteristics of a prophet and thats why you and i cannot be prophets.

 

[Surya Deva]

Nope Jesus never said, ""I am a slave of god, worship Allah"

I think you're in the wrong thread. This thread is for asking questions about Hinduism, not discussing Islam.

 

[Nade]

Eselam, while I applaud you for trying to pick a fight, you are going about it the wrong way. Anways, I have some unfortunate news.

The world has changed much since the time of muhammad. New things which the koran can not explain have arisen. Technology has changed mankinds perspective of his relationship to the universe. I'm no expert, but in ancient times, man's perspective of himself was that of a seashell violently tossed about in a sea of chaos. It is no wonder that he needed allah to worship. It is only natural, that an uneducated mind, possessing no knowledge of the weather and the world, would come to the conclusion of gods and goddesses, from which a single god would reveal itself to be the one true god.

In the modern world, mankind's perspective has changed, due to his machines. We have realized that by using our minds we can actively shape the world around us, travel in space, and eventually, will be able to create new universes. Man has all ready re-created the big bang in the hadron collider under germany(I think it's germany. or is it switzerland?). If we could re-create the big bang, then we could create our own universe and shape it however we wanted to.

I understand you will find this hard to believe, just as you find the theory of evolution hard to believe. The world has changed much since the time of muhammad. The west has advanced into realms previously thought impossible for man, but for god alone to achieve.

Regardless of whether allah exists or not, western technology and western science has shown me that we don't actually need allah to fulfill our destiny. Allah is a dying god, whom we need less and less, in favor of the god of technology or experiment, which has given us power beyond measure.

Islam, so long as it relies on the koran and allah, will, and has, gained the disrespect of many. We do not take your religion seriously because it furnishes an outdated system of ethics, as well as time consuming superstition, while not enabling man to pursue his own desires. In the western world, islam is a foolish, supersititious tribalism, one that will sooner or later, die out. Or rather, it will continue to exist in the middle east, a backward ghetto of thought and intelligence which, unfortunately, will never be as great and powerful as the western world.

As to the hindu worship of idols: they don't worship the idols, they worship brahman/allah. You might ask, then why have the idols if they are not worshipping them? Well, why have a computer if your not worshipping it? If your not worshipping the idols, then your not worshipping the idols. You don't need to destroy them.

 

[Don Penguinoini]

for this answer i have another question.
by logic reason one would say that many milions of people have lived on this world and have died before the creation of hinduism right. if your god was really a god wouldn't he have existed before the time of man so that when man was created it tolled him "worship me because im a god". by your answer it is clearly said that your god was created after man. so tell me how can that be. how can the creator be created after its creation or how can the creator exist after the existence of its creation.
and if you as a person don't have any solid proof that no religion is as old as man himself then please do not say that because Islam is. islam is a religion that was created to guide us in this world and to obey the law of Allah, the name Islam may have not been used to refer to our religion before the time of Muhammed (saws) but the religion itself exsits from the very first moment that prophet Adem (as) was created and brought to earth.



ok if heaven and hell are on earth just as you claim then who gave the rich the right to be rich and who gave the poor the right to be poor. why have the poor been created if they were to suffer and die like animals because of hunger. don't you think that is a test from Allah to see who will mention his name and thank him for everything during bad and good times and who will turn to him for help for ther is non greater helper than Allah


....... formless being, who is ever in the sercive of God. .........]

in the service of which god? your idols/gods or Allah the creator of everything

First thing first, please sort your quoting out, took me ages to understand it, you do not know how to use the quote system, please learn or refrain from using it because you are very confusing.

1. When the first humans appeared on Earth, they did not know God existed. God does not control the movement of our limbs, or anything, he does not control us. God has given us this Earth, and he/she expects us to find our own way, in 5500BC, they came across God, possibly even earlier from Sumer. Islam is not as old as man, no religion is as old as man, not even a language is as old as man. Islam is not 2.5 million years old, YOU need to find some facts to suppost that, because that is just downright wrong. Man was not created. Man evolved from EVOLUTION. There was no Adam and Eve, such an idea would be STUPID. We evolved throught a LONG period of time. Please puncuate properly too, i really did not understand some of that.

2.No-one gives the right for rich and poor people, what kind of question is that? They just are rich and poor... Maybe it is a test, and i did say that being poor can be sometimes be good for someone, since a test of hardship is not bad, just as you mentioned.

 

[Gharib]

dear Nade
you have said that we were created by the big bang right. then tell me who created the big bang. you say that we will make our own big bang and we will shape it the way we want right.if we recreate the big bang then new creatures will be formed (in accordance to your theory (an ussumption you could say)). so then these creatures will call us gods and they will see us right. then were is our god(s) who created the big bang which created us.
if you want to argue about islam and how science has advanced more than the Kur'an or the time of prophet Muhammed (saws) then let me tell you this about 1000 years ago a muslim scholar knew that the stars were made of fire and when did the westerners find that out? not long ago.
the muslims that lived during the time of prophet Muhammed (saws) knew how to do heart transplant and they knew how to do blood transfussion as well and when did the westerners learn how to do that? not long ago
and since the Kur'an was revealed about 1500 years ago we muslims knew that the waters of two oceans do not mix with one other and when did the westerners find this out? just recenty 100-200 years ago maby. know don't say to me that has nothing to do with technology for it is technology that leads to knowing what stars are made of and it is technology which helps in hart transplants.
you have also said "If we could re-create the big bang, then we could create our own universe and shape it however we wanted to." well heres some news for you, we can't, because we have no limitless power like Allah. we are only creations and not creators

if we can shape the world around us then why are we still living on earth when there are so many other planets. why can't we do anything about global warming, why do we not know the corners of this univers that we live in. but muslims know all about universes and we do know that Allah the Almighty has created 7 of them but you people (non muslims/westerners) do not know about it yet because your so caled "advanced technology" that the Kur'an and muslims cannot keep up with hasn't got enough human brains to lead you in discovering them.

you have also mentioned something about the evolution process. i do not beleive that theory because there is nothing that can trace me back to being a monkey (forget all those chimp similarity stuff) if i cannot convince you that it is just a made up story then you tell me what was before the monkeys and if bacteria and cells were before monkeys, then what was before the cells (the big bang i presume) and tell me what caused the big bang and our existence. we as humans have limits in this world but Allah has not said that we must not create technology and know about the universe that we live in. if we can andvance our self so much then tell me this, why isn't there a cure about aging and death. we can live on life support machines but why can't we live forever. do you want to know the answer, the prophet (saws) has said to us this " every human in this world is responsible for a desease and for every desease there is a cure except for two aging and death" so as you can see we do have limits and some of them you (the weasterners) who consider themselmes "smart and advanced" should know this, but do you?? No you don't.

you say that there is a god of technology/experiment right, then i wonder if a god of medicine exists who could help you find a cure for death.

you say "you" do not need Allah to fulfill your destiny. then i presume you rely on technology just as you have stated, which means you do not beleive in your hindu god, he can't help you right. and if you say that technology is better than your god then doesn't that sort of mean that your ancestors were dumb and stupid for beleiving in your idols. because thats how i see it in relation to your statement.
and may i and to that that if your gods/idols are becoming "old fashion" or a thing of the past then do not say that Allah is dying because He cannot die He is the Sustainer and the Maintainer He is the creator of everything.

you have said that as long as Islam relies on Allah and the Kur'an it will and has lost its disrespect, then tell me this: why is it the fastest growing religion in the world at present time. and if i may add something from the technology stuff. i want to say this. if Islam as a religion that relys on Allah is becoming outdatet then why can't THE WORLD defeat the taliban. the US and all other countries have the best and most advanced technology such as satelites, nuclear weapons, tanks, airoplanes and so much more why can't they defeat any of the muslim countries WHO ONLY HAVE A COUPLE OF MACHINE GUNS (sorry if this is off the topic but im just making my point). do you want to know the answer to that???? BECAUSE MUSLIMS RELY ON ALLAH.
and by the way islam will never die out because it not only is the fastest religion but also because Muhammed (saws) was the last prophet which means Islam cannot die untill every single human dies wich is untill the last day. the day where the mountains will turn into sand and the day when the sky will fall peice by peice. oh and one more thing Allah has promised that we will rule this world when the worlds most "advanced" coutries will fall and guess what? do you see what is happening to the "advanced" countrie who have entered the middle east. and also take a good look at the worlds financial market.

and lastly. i do not worship a computer nor a car because it was created by man and so were your idols. i only worship that wich created me. which is only one creator Allah the Almighty.


and one more question in relation to the hindu religion.
your religion states that humans are created and die . then they come back as an animal or something similar. then wouldn't that mean that as an animal people like me will eat it. isn't that a lame life cycle.
and if humans turn into animals after death then who firstly created the humans, how were they created ( don't go to the monkeys again i'm sick of that story) and then there is also one more question.
you know very well that when dinosaurs existed humans didn't, so then how did those ANIMALS come to be if there weren't any humans around. ( dinosaurs did exist because there is proof that they existed aprox 230 milion years ago) and your hindu friend Don Penguioini has said that humas existed from aproximately 2.5 milion years ago

 

[Surya Deva]

your religion states that humans are created and die . then they come back as an animal or something similar. then wouldn't that mean that as an animal people like me will eat it. isn't that a lame life cycle.

Your gunas decide what you come back as. Hinduism says that we are made up of three qualities(active, neutral, inertia, corresponding to passion, contentment(knowledge) and ignorance. The predominance of one over the other decides ones life form. Generally, if you have reached human form in your evolution, you will come back as human, but if through your actions in life you have significantly altered the gunas, then you can go backwards in your evolution and incarnate in lower life forms.
In the Gita it says whatever our thought or state of mind at the time of our death, that decides what we return as. Somebody who is lived an animalistic lifestyle may come back as an animal. However, generally if you live like humans, you will come back as humans.

You will only get the body you deserve as per the laws of karma. This is not retributive or to punish the soul, but only to purify the soul. Obviously if when the soul gains human form, it is still killing people like a cold-blooded animal, then it has not evolved enough yet, and will be sent back as a cold-blooded animal to fulfill those murderous desires. This is what has probably happened to serial killers like Ted Bundy.

and if humans turn into animals after death then who firstly created the humans, how were they created ( don't go to the monkeys again i'm sick of that story) and then there is also one more question.
you know very well that when dinosaurs existed humans didn't, so then how did those ANIMALS come to be if there weren't any humans around. ( dinosaurs did exist because there is proof that they existed aprox 230 milion years ago) and your hindu friend Don Penguioini has said that humas existed from aproximately 2.5 milion years ago

To be honest it is not known 100% that humans have only been around 2.5 million years, I think latest estimates put them even higher. This is not a question I can answer, this is one for palientologists.

There are three possible theories on how humans arose 1) they evolved from primordial slime 2) they were seeded by extraterrestrial things(not necessarily aliens, perhaps even a meteroite carrying human DNA) 3) They evolved but exterrestrials intervented.

Which one is true? I don't know; I wasn't around then. Nor are major Hindu scruptures interested in pre-human life. Although it is known by Hindus that the Earth is some 4.5 billion years old, and we also believe that there have been several species that have ruled this planet, which rule for a period of 300 million years or so. So this theory can easily accomodate the dinosaurs.

One thing we clearly know the world and life was not created in an instant, it has developed in stages. The evidence is simply too overwhelming to ignore.