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Historical Evidence For the Existence of Jesus

Cephus

Cephus

Relentlessly Rational
columbus said:
Yes, there is. That's where the problem lies.
The strength of the evidence is in the eye of the beholder.
Suppose someone told you "I had a dream that Dan Wirey is cheating on his wife". That is evidence. Perhaps the weakest kind of evidence, especially if you have no particular reason to believe that a guy named Dan Wirey exists. But in the absence of any other evidence whatsoever it is the strongest evidence on the subject.
If a person wants to believe that Dan Wirey is a real person and a sleazy philanderer, this description of a dream might be "compelling evidence", which is the definition of proof.

This is the problem with religion. In the absence of any empirical evidence the weakest hearsay or delusion is the strongest evidence available to many people.

Tom
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And that doesn't mean the evidence is worthwhile. That's why we specify OBJECTIVE evidence, not mere hearsay and vivid imaginations. I want evidence that I can see and examine for myself without having to believe it is real or not to begin with. Theists can't produce that for any of their claims. That's specifically why I reject their claims.
 
McBell

McBell

Unbound
psychoslice said:
Are you stupid or something, I don't give a crap about your ignorant meter, I simply don't believe in the historical Jesus and you haven't shared nothing to me about that except your childishness.
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you can lead a horse to water...

On A Side Note...
Were you able to convince yourself in the other thread?
 
psychoslice

psychoslice

Veteran Member
Mestemia said:
you can lead a horse to water...

On A Side Note...
Were you able to convince yourself in the other thread?
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I thought it was all about that, you just cannot let it go can you. If you don't have anything intelligent to share with me, then please keep out of my face.
 
McBell

McBell

Unbound
psychoslice said:
I thought it was all about that, you just cannot let it go can you. If you don't have anything intelligent to share with me, then please keep out of my face.
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You would do good to follow your own advice.

Based on your posting history, we all know you will not.
 
psychoslice

psychoslice

Veteran Member
Mestemia said:
You would do good to follow your own advice.

Based on your posting history, we all know you will not.
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He He, your really up yourself aren't you, the vaccine thread is dead to me so why don't you go back there and mingle with your own kind.
 
McBell

McBell

Unbound
psychoslice said:
He He, your really up yourself aren't you, the vaccine thread is dead to me so why don't you go back there and mingle with your own kind.
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Because you are making the exact same *** of yourself in this thread.

Again, you can lead a horse to water...
 
Quagmire

Quagmire

Imaginary talking monkey
Staff member
Premium Member
psychoslice said:
So are you saying that there is proof of the historical Jesus, if so could I ask where did you get that info from, and please don't be rude ?.
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To refresh your memory: you said that the Josephus references to Jesus had been proven fraudulent. Jay asked you for evidence. You said, "There's so much of it I wouldn't know where to start".

Burden of proofs on you.
 
outhouse

outhouse

Atheistically
psychoslice said:
Show evidence please.
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The Gospels
Paul
Tacitus
Josephus


Now, you don't have to like it, and it doesn't have to be strong evidence. But it factually is evidence that a man existed, and there is almost a complete consensus of those who are educated at the highest levels on the subject, and all agree. The baptism and crucifixion are certain enough they are considered fact.
 
Quagmire

Quagmire

Imaginary talking monkey
Staff member
Premium Member
psychoslice said:
There is so much of it I don't know where to start, so here is one place you could go to.

This brief piece of evidence which supposedly contributed the best "proof" of Jesus's existence has actually been proven to be a fraud. It has been demonstrated continuously over the centuries that "Testamonium Flavium" was a forgery manufactured by the Catholic Church, and was inserted into Josephus's works. The Testamonium Flavium account is so thoroughly refuted, that biblical scholars since the 19th century have refused to refer to it, unless to mention its false nature.
JESUS CHRIST - NO HISTORICAL EVIDENCE
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Btw, if you're going to use someone else's material, you need to either format it as a quote, or put quotation marks front and back..
 
psychoslice

psychoslice

Veteran Member
Quagmire said:
To refresh your memory: you said that the Josephus references to Jesus had been proven fraudulent. Jay asked you for evidence. You said, "There's so much of it I wouldn't know where to start".

Burden of proofs on you.
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No its not, there is so much evidence you would have to be a morn not to see it.
 
psychoslice

psychoslice

Veteran Member
outhouse said:
The Gospels
Paul
Tacitus
Josephus


Now, you don't have to like it, and it doesn't have to be strong evidence. But it factually is evidence that a man existed, and there is almost a complete consensus of those who are educated at the highest levels on the subject, and all agree. The baptism and crucifixion are certain enough they are considered fact.
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Paul never meant the Christ to be a man, the Christ to Paul was a Christ Consciousness, nothing to do with a man called Jesus.
 
psychoslice

psychoslice

Veteran Member
Quagmire said:
Btw, if you're going to use someone else's material, you need to either format it as a quote, or put quotation marks front and back..
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I don't have to do what you think I should do, your just trying to pick on me because you hate my guts, and you would love to see me gone from this forum, am I right ???.
Could I ask, what the hell is really wrong with you, why are you so aggressive towards me ??????.
Often those that criticise others reveal what he himself lacks.”
― Shannon L. Alder
 
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