Hitchen's Challange

[SkepticThinker]

I don't believe that you comprehend either the context, nor the meaning of the word 'judge', ...amongst many other things related to theological issues.

Why don't you enlighten us then?

 

[DNB]

Why don't you enlighten us then?

Because i have absolutely no idea where you are going with this, nor how judgment ever entered the conversation?

 

[SkepticThinker]

Because i have absolutely no idea where you are going with this, nor how judgment ever entered the conversation?

Who cares where I'm going with it?

 

[sojourner]

Like i said, theists are wiser and more perceptive than atheists, if an atheist can't see it, then it doesn't exist.

No we’re not. We simply see things from a different perspective than do atheists.

 

[ppp]

No we’re not. We simply see things from a different perspective than do atheists.

Different perspectives from all the atheists who believe in the supernatural? Like all the theists with gods that are natural?

 

[sojourner]

Different perspectives from all the atheists who believe in the supernatural? Like all the theists with gods that are natural?

I have no idea what this is supposed to mean. I didn’t qualify “atheists.” I simply posited that theists aren’t more wise or perceptive than atheists.

 

[Sheldon]

Like i said, theists are wiser and more perceptive than atheists, if an atheist can't see it, then it doesn't exist.

If your self aggrandising claim were true, then that straw man fallacy you just used, seems oddly incongruous.

 

[DNB]

Who cares where I'm going with it?

What, no destination?

 

[DNB]

No we’re not. We simply see things from a different perspective than do atheists.

No, we're not, we're wiser, get it straight! 'The fool says in his heart...'

 

[DNB]

If your self aggrandising claim were true, then that straw man fallacy you just used, seems oddly incongruous.

Well, you're rather articulate Sheldon, for one who thinks that he's an ape, or for one who can't appear to be able to differentiae between a male and a female??

 

[sojourner]

No, we're not, we're wiser, get it straight! 'The fool says in his heart...'

Proof, please. BTW: what’s the standard universal metric for wisdom? And what instrument is used to measure it?

 

[Sheldon]

Well, you're rather articulate Sheldon, for one who thinks that he's an ape, or for one who can't appear to be able to differentiae between a male and a female??

I shan't even feign surprise you have entirely ignored the post you're responding to. The fact you have again used another straw man fallacy, just reinforced the point I made, and that you ignored. I look forward to you ignoring this one as well.

I don't think I am an ape, I accept the scientific taxonomy that all humans are part of the family of great apes. The last part is obviously the straw man, and incomprehensible at that.

 

[DNB]

Proof, please. BTW: what’s the standard universal metric for wisdom? And what instrument is used to measure it?

Character and good judgment, discernment and prudence.

 

[DNB]

I shan't even feign surprise you have entirely ignored the post you're responding to. The fact you have again used another straw man fallacy, just reinforced the point I made, and that you ignored. I look forward to you ignoring this one as well.

I don't think I am an ape, I accept the scientific taxonomy that all humans are part of the family of great apes. The last part is obviously the straw man, and incomprehensible at that.

...one who endorses homosexuality is apparently oblivious to part that gender plays in a relationship, or one's character.

 

[lukethethird]

...one who endorses homosexuality is apparently oblivious to part that gender plays in a relationship, or one's character.

You're obsessed with homosexuality, not that there's anything wrong with that.

 

[sojourner]

Character and good judgment, discernment and prudence.

Ok. So, let’s run with this just for giggles.

What instrument do we use to measure these things, and what are they measured in? Volts? Pounds? Light years?

What numbers represent acceptable quantities of these things?

How have you arrived at the notion that all atheists’ quantities of character are lower than all Christian’s’? Personally, I’d say that Christopher Hitchens has greater character than Jim Bakker.

How have you arrived at the notion that all atheists show less good judgment than all Christians? I’d put Einstein up against Jerry Falwell, Jr. in that regard.

Same question for both discernment and prudence?

Who’s to say that, on average, the set of atheists possess less character, good judgment, discernment, and prudence than the set of us Christians?

Sorry! You haven’t proven your claim until you can definitively answer these questions.

 

[sojourner]

...one who endorses homosexuality is apparently oblivious to part that gender plays in a relationship, or one's character.

One who dismisses homosexuality is obviously oblivious to the part that gender plays in human relationships. As to one’s character, I’ll rest my case on the bigotry and dehumanizing violence I find in those who insist, against science, that homosexuality is inherently immoral, unnatural, and a sickness that needs “curing.”

 

[DNB]

Ok. So, let’s run with this just for giggles.

What instrument do we use to measure these things, and what are they measured in? Volts? Pounds? Light years?

What numbers represent acceptable quantities of these things?

How have you arrived at the notion that all atheists’ quantities of character are lower than all Christian’s’? Personally, I’d say that Christopher Hitchens has greater character than Jim Bakker.

How have you arrived at the notion that all atheists show less good judgment than all Christians? I’d put Einstein up against Jerry Falwell, Jr. in that regard.

Same question for both discernment and prudence?

Who’s to say that, on average, the set of atheists possess less character, good judgment, discernment, and prudence than the set of us Christians?

Sorry! You haven’t proven your claim until you can definitively answer these questions.

What do you mean by giggles? Did you actually mean chuckles or levity? What about humour or laughs? Is it your goal to tell a joke or two, as a means to digress from the austerity of the topic at hand? What instrument do you use to measure humour? Can you quantify one's reaction to joke, with any sort of reliable and consistent precision? What if you were to translate the joke into another language, would is still have the same effect?

You wanna hear a joke, I know a guy who thinks that infamous, and once incarcerated, charlatans, are what they profess to be.

 

[DNB]

One who dismisses homosexuality is obviously oblivious to the part that gender plays in human relationships. As to one’s character, I’ll rest my case on the bigotry and dehumanizing violence I find in those who insist, against science, that homosexuality is inherently immoral, unnatural, and a sickness that needs “curing.”

You need to redefine your religion, like seriously.

 

[sojourner]

What do you mean by giggles? Did you actually mean chuckles or levity? What about humour or laughs? Is it your goal to tell a joke or two, as a means to digress from the austerity of the topic at hand? What instrument do you use to measure humour? Can you quantify one's reaction to joke, with any sort of reliable and consistent precision? What if you were to translate the joke into another language, would is still have the same effect?

You wanna hear a joke, I know a guy who thinks that infamous, and once incarcerated, charlatans, are what they profess to be.

Instead of deflecting, you could just grace us with answers to the questions I posed. I used the term “giggles,” because your bombast is silly. The minute YOU become serious about the claims you make is the minute I’ll take your “austerity” seriously.