Hitchen's Challange

[DNB]

Wicked is a subjective term, it seems you're not fully grasping what that means.

Earth to Sheldon, come in???

 

[DNB]

Don't be absurd, you said in the core, and that was the claim I addressed.

AS THE FLIPPIN' TITLE STATED!!!

 

[Audie]

The article says otherwise?

I didnt read it, its old news.
Why did you post it, as the " water" is
totally inaccessible.

 

[DNB]

I didnt read it, its old news.
Why did you post it, as the " water" is
totally inaccessible.

Some scientists think Earth's oceans formed when icy comets hit the planet. But new research suggests a different origin for the oceans: they simply seeped out of the center of the Earth.

The finding, published in Science, suggests that a reservoir of water is hidden in the Earth's mantle, more than 400 miles below the surface. Try to refrain from imagining expanses of underground seas: all this water, three times the volume of water on the surface, is trapped inside rocks.

 

[Audie]

AS THE FLIPPIN' TITLE STATED!!!

Now now, earlier YOU wrote of flood water coming from the core and i corrected you.
The article speaks of the " water", which
is neither water nor liquid being found
TOWARD the core, by some fraction of the distance.
"TOWARD" the core. Like taking one step TOWARD
NYC and a gig at Carnegie.

Why do you bring in physical science that
dont understand, at all, in support of some
spiritual transcendent event that didnt even happen?
Unless maybe on some invisible spiriit
plane with no relevance to the actual earth?

Don't get too smug about who might be deluded.

 

[Audie]

Some scientists think Earth's oceans formed when icy comets hit the planet. But new research suggests a different origin for the oceans: they simply seeped out of the center of the Earth.

The finding, published in Science, suggests that a reservoir of water is hidden in the Earth's mantle, more than 400 miles below the surface. Try to refrain from imagining expanses of underground seas: all this water, three times the volume of water on the surface, is trapped inside rocks.

Whoever wrote that unattributed quote (tsk)
is an idiot.

Seeped from the CENTER of the earth??
The research cited says nothing remotely
like that.
And water can no more seep out of that rock which is sometimes used for jewelry, than it can out a a chunk of limestone or concrete.

Plz try a little harder to make sense?
What we in real estate call " due diligence"?

 

[DNB]

Now now, earlier YOU wrote of flood water coming from the core and i corrected you.
The article speaks of the " water", which
is neither water nor liquid being found
TOWARD the core, by some fraction of the distance.
Why do you bring in physical science that
dont understand, at all, in support of some
spiritual transcendent event that didnt even happen?
Unless maybe on some invisible spiriit
plane with no relevance to the actual earth?

Don't get too smug about who might be deluded.

Anyhow Audie, you're sounding way too pedantic.
You're trying to analyze the finger, and not to where it's pointing.

 

[Audie]

Anyhow Audie, you're sounding way too pedantic.
You're trying to analyze the finger, and not to where it's pointing.

You keep posting false info
in a debate forum, and the fault is with me.

Terrif.

Some adults know how to accept correction
and even learn from it.

Just, ya know, sayin'.

 

[DNB]

Whoever wrote that unattributed quote (tsk)
is an idiot.

Seeped from the CENTER of the earth??
The research cited says nothing remotely
like that.
And water can no more seep out of that rock which is sometimes used for jewelry, than it can out a a chunk of limestone or concrete.

Plz try a little harder to make sense?
What we in real estate call " due diligence"?

Stick to your sciences Audie, others perceive the more important matters.
I see now that, as we were talking about Theists vs atheists, you asked specifically about the flood, because geology was your area of expertise. You've got me there Audie, I can't match your acumen in that field.

It's a shame that, that seems to be the extent of your perception. Discussing righteousness and iniquity, or human nature and depravity, does not appear to be part of the equation in your understanding of the universe.
Enjoy the world as you know it, for according to you, if you can't quantify it, then it doesn't exist. Therefore, very little is beyond your control and understanding.
For me, I can tell a cesspool when I see one, and can fully understand why One would desire to annihilate the causes of the cesspool.

 

[DNB]

Yes, of course, What has that to do with my post? Tread carefully, as your responses are starting to look like trolling.

Ciao!

 

[Audie]

Stick to your sciences Audie, others perceive the more important matters.
I see now that, as we were talking about Theists vs atheists, you asked specifically about the flood, because geology was your area of expertise. You've got me there Audie, I can't match your acumen in that field.

It's a shame that, that seems to be the extent of your perception. Discussing righteousness and iniquity, or human nature and depravity, does not appear to be part of the equation in your understanding of the universe.
Enjoy the world as you know it, for according to you, if you can't quantify it, then it doesn't exist. Therefore, very little is beyond your control and understanding.
For me, I can tell a cesspool when I see one, and can fully understand why One would desire to annihilate the causes of the cesspool.

Thats really a shame that you would choose to
think that because i am educated I've no percption of or
concern with human nature, with all its ups and downs.
Or for wonders of the world around me.

The icy woman scientist stereotype i suppose.

I understand evil and depravity far far better than I
care to, having fallen into the hands of
a sadistic rapist. You cannot imagine.
And, no, I dont care to discuss depravity.
I experienced more in a few hours than most
can in three lifetimes.

Its generally better for friendly discussion if you
do not make things up about me, esp negative
things you know nothing about. Revisit " love thy neighbour"
sometime, for tips.

As foe appreciating nature, well, its not about
" numbers and control". What an awful thing for
you to say of me! And so completely uncalled for!
" According to me"!! Nonsense.

Think- does a trained skilled musician have less
appreciation for music than Joe-Bob at the bar
because they understand it?

I dont know why instead of things uplifting and
maybe educational, anyone would want to discuss
cesspool, annihilation, depravity, and iniquity.
Maybe you can figure that out.
Im the wrong one to talk to about it.

I changed my hair. What do you think?

 

[SkepticThinker]

You;re the one who has a terrible view of humanity - calling wickedness and selfishness, good - calling materialism, harmless - calling wars and dissention, normal behaviour - calling pornography and hedonism, healthy - calling alcoholism, one's freedom of choice, etc...

When did I do any of that??

Your view (which is what we're talking about here, based on what you actually said) is that all humans are wicked and deserve to die. You flat out said that. I don't agree, and think that is a terrible way to view humanity. I think we have more worth than that.

Take a look around you, do you like what you see and hear about every single day?

Depends what I'm looking at.

Knowing my sister is saving lives in the ER every day makes me feel pretty good. Watching people talking about how humans all deserve to die doesn't make me feel very good.

 

[SkepticThinker]

How so, you've seen a cat give a eulogy for the death of one of its kittens?

Have you never spent any time with a dog?

Do Dogs Grieve the Loss of Their Human Owners?
Loyal Dog Refuses To Leave His Owner’s Car Crash Site For 18 Months So Locals Built Him A Home
Loyal Dog Who Stood in the Snow and Kept Watch Over His Dead Owner Finds 'Perfect' Forever Home
Mourning dog waits for 80 days in road where owner died
Do Dogs Mourn | VCA Animal Hospitals


How about a gorilla or a chimpanzee? Ever interacted with them?

Gorillas Appear to Grieve for Their Dead | Smart News | Smithsonian Magazine
Chimps Understand and Mourn Death, Research Suggests
https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn18818-how-chimps-mourn-their-dead/

 

[Audie]

When did I do any of that??

Your view (which is what we're talking about here, based on what you actually said) is that all humans are wicked and deserve to die. You flat out said that. I don't agree, and think that is a terrible way to view humanity. I think we have more worth than that.


Depends what I'm looking at.

Knowing my sister is saving lives in the ER every day makes me feel pretty good. Watching people talking about how humans all deserve to die doesn't make me feel very good.

Can i do a sock puppet and hive you two "winner" icons?

 

[SkepticThinker]

Can i do a sock puppet and hive you two "winner" icons?

Only if I can do it for yours

 

[DNB]

Thats really a shame that you would choose to
think that because i am educated I've no percption of or
concern with human nature, with all its ups and downs.
Or for wonders of the world around me.

The icy woman scientist stereotype i suppose.

I understand evil and depravity far far better than I
care to, having fallen into the hands of
a sadistic rapist. You cannot imagine.
And, no, I dont care to discuss depravity.
I experienced more in a few hours than most
can in three lifetimes.

Its generally better for friendly discussion if you
do not make things up about me, esp negative
things you know nothing about. Revisit " love thy neighbour"
sometime, for tips.

As foe appreciating nature, well, its not about
" numbers and control". What an awful thing for
you to say of me! And so completely uncalled for!
" According to me"!! Nonsense.

Think- does a trained skilled musician have less
appreciation for music than Joe-Bob at the bar
because they understand it?

I dont know why instead of things uplifting and
maybe educational, anyone would want to discuss
cesspool, annihilation, depravity, and iniquity.
Maybe you can figure that out.
Im the wrong one to talk to about it.

I changed my hair. What do you think?

10+ posts on the flippin'; flood, and a constant denial of the why God would destroy the world - yes, you appeared to be a one-trick-pony, and a one-faceted pony.
The flood story constitutes maybe 1% of my conviction of the Bible's historical veracity. So, there is a myriad of other stories, principles, dynamics and precepts that cause one to form a perception of the Bible and its authenticity and authority. It goes without saying that there are countless areas of Scripture that I do not understand, either in part, or in its entirety. But, they do not outweigh the areas that I do comprehend and embrace as divine truth.

I couldn't get you once to address man's nature, as though you felt that it had no bearing on the conversation - that is, you were oblivious to either its facticity, or of the implications of its presence. But, you somehow managed to bring us down a rabbit trail in discussing God's existence by means of whether or not a global flood occurred.

Like i said, theists are wiser and more perceptive than atheists, if an atheist can't see it, then it doesn't exist. You explicitly denied the spiritual warfare, the significance of man's sense of morality versus any other creature, the reason behind God's motivation to destroy the world, and so on... That is, if you took the time to assess the amount of depravity that is in the world, it may cause you to reflect upon the fact as to why it disturbs so many people and has been a cause of so much pain and frustration around the world. For one, beings without a spiritual nature would never give such common place event any concern. And two, since we do, man has an innate hope for justice and the restitution of all things - as no other creature on earth does. So, yes Audie, I'm perceiving a shallowness in your comprehension of the world around you.

I'm terribly sorry about your demise at the hands of a rapist, and hope that you find peace and understand which party carries the shame (the culprit).

 

[DNB]

When did I do any of that??

Your view (which is what we're talking about here, based on what you actually said) is that all humans are wicked and deserve to die. You flat out said that. I don't agree, and think that is a terrible way to view humanity. I think we have more worth than that.


Depends what I'm looking at.

Knowing my sister is saving lives in the ER every day makes me feel pretty good. Watching people talking about how humans all deserve to die doesn't make me feel very good.

Well, the fact that your sister is saving lives in the ER every day, should give you pause for concern - why so much constant suffering in the world, either human self-inflicted, or natural causes. Either way, man prays for justice and equality. There is a constant conflict in the heart of every man as he walks on this earth. The joy is fleeting, and as it is stated: we laugh one day, and cry ten.

I try to make the best of the situation around me, and I don't believe that anyone of my peers or acquaintances find me to be either a pessimistic or a martyr of some sort. But, on the subject matter of religion or God, then that is exactly what I must profess in order that people begin to realize things are not hunky dory, and that the Creator is not pleased in what His creatures, modeled after His image, are treating one another and His planet.

 

[DNB]

Have you never spent any time with a dog?

Do Dogs Grieve the Loss of Their Human Owners?
Loyal Dog Refuses To Leave His Owner’s Car Crash Site For 18 Months So Locals Built Him A Home
Loyal Dog Who Stood in the Snow and Kept Watch Over His Dead Owner Finds 'Perfect' Forever Home
Mourning dog waits for 80 days in road where owner died
Do Dogs Mourn | VCA Animal Hospitals


How about a gorilla or a chimpanzee? Ever interacted with them?

Gorillas Appear to Grieve for Their Dead | Smart News | Smithsonian Magazine
Chimps Understand and Mourn Death, Research Suggests
https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn18818-how-chimps-mourn-their-dead/

I've watched countless, countless animals witness their young, or their herd or pride, get devoured right before their eyes - no funeral, no protest, no eulogy, no tear, no debilitation or mourning. Animals kill each other and eat them alive, how in the world do you expect that when the roles are reversed that they suddenly turn into these bleeding heart moralists? Whatever remote situations that you brought up, they are either misconstrued as mourning, or do not apply to the majority of the animal kingdom. The latter, clearly by the fact that it was noteworthy when animals appeared to be acting out-of-character.

 

[Audie]

10+ posts on the flippin'; flood, and a constant denial of the why God would destroy the world - yes, you appeared to be a one-trick-pony, and a one-faceted pony.
The flood story constitutes maybe 1% of my conviction of the Bible's historical veracity. So, there is a myriad of other stories, principles, dynamics and precepts that cause one to form a perception of the Bible and its authenticity and authority. It goes without saying that there are countless areas of Scripture that I do not understand, either in part, or in its entirety. But, they do not outweigh the areas that I do comprehend and embrace as divine truth.

I couldn't get you once to address man's nature, as though you felt that it had no bearing on the conversation - that is, you were oblivious to either its facticity, or of the implications of its presence. But, you somehow managed to bring us down a rabbit trail in discussing God's existence by means of whether or not a global flood occurred.

Like i said, theists are wiser and more perceptive than atheists, if an atheist can't see it, then it doesn't exist. You explicitly denied the spiritual warfare, the significance of man's sense of morality versus any other creature, the reason behind God's motivation to destroy the world, and so on... That is, if you took the time to assess the amount of depravity that is in the world, it may cause you to reflect upon the fact as to why it disturbs so many people and has been a cause of so much pain and frustration around the world. For one, beings without a spiritual nature would never give such common place event any concern. And two, since we do, man has an innate hope for justice and the restitution of all things - as no other creature on earth does. So, yes Audie, I'm perceiving a shallowness in your comprehension of the world around you.

I'm terribly sorry about your demise at the hands of a rapist, and hope that you find peace and understand which party carries the shame (the culprit).

Deny?
Good grief, as if I dont know the story.

Is very ill mannered to insult me with name calling. The more so as you seem only to
go on and on about sin-refusingbto face the fact that " flood" just a story, it never happened.
Talk about someonevwho needs to learn about one more tune! Or facet, as you may please.


I have seen enough evil. Discuss it with someone else.

But keep in mind, the more people go on
about depravity, the more people will think
you are talking about yourself. You may want to avoid that.

And TRY to avoid making things up? Im nott remotely saying God doesnt exist.
Just that there was no flood, as any educated
person knows.

If you are so wise you would know it too,
and, that " specific denial" you claim is a fantasy. Shallow shallow comprehension,
my friend.

Oh, and actually, I am quite alive.
A person's demise is their death.
Education, my friend. Try some.

 

[Sheldon]

Earth to Sheldon, come in???

Wicked is a subjective term, it seems you're not fully grasping what that means.