Hitchen's Challange

[robocop (actually)]

I think you need to look up the meaning of whataboutism.

You are not hardly as smart as you think you are, and I'm tired of answering your dumb questions. Why don't you pay more attention to what I'm saying.

Oh and take this; I already knew about your study.

 

[DNB]

You seem to have ignored my post, which directly addressed your unevidenced assertions in the post it responded to?

You can hope for whatever you want, it's when you espouse pernicious homophobic bigotry that I will object. I don't care what others think a deity they imagine is real wants from us, since I am an atheist, I care whether behaviour or actions directly harm others.

Look past the flesh, Sheldon. This is the issue that we are talking about.

 

[DNB]

No they're not, that's just a No True Scotsman fallacy. Hitler was a Christian, as was every member of the German SS who ran the death camps, the KKK is a Christian organisation, the Westborough Baptist church are all Christians, the Inquisition the Crusades, the endemic child rape within the RCC and those who protected them, and moved them around avoiding justice to carry on abusing children, all Christians.

Morality is of course subjective, but a person's actions are what determines if they are moral, not a descriptor you attach to them.

Sheldon, please, as much as the terrorist jihadist groups are denounced by muslims, any reasonable person can appreciate the fact that there are wolves in sheep's clothing in all circles.

 

[DNB]

Nonsense.



This has already been disproved, by a demonstration of objective scientific research, that demonstrates homosexuality is natural, and there is no evidence gay man and woman are any less moral than heterosexual men and women, this is just an arbitrary and bigoted claim you are making.



Nature has produced homosexuality, so I'm glad you're finally onboard.



People are born gay, they no more choose to be gay than I chose to be heterosexual. Are you suggesting you chose to be straight, really?

We are all confronted with many enticements in this world. Many can adopt or acquire, a preference or taste for something. What we enjoyed yesterday, may not be the same as to what attracts us today, or in the future.

 

[DNB]

You're very intolerant, but no one has to live their lives according to your blinkered prejudices. If you don't like homosexuality, then don't do it, but others are free to live their lives as they see fit, as long as they don't seek to harm others.

I think that the LGBTQ movement has subverted society.

 

[DNB]

No it doesn't, that is again just homophobic bigotry, thankfully most of the world has moved on from such blinkered irrational prejudices.



No it doesn't.



No it doesn't, you just keep posting these argument from assertion fallacies, but again the scientific research linked, that you ignored, amply demonstrates your claim is errant nonsense.

Humanity will not subsist if all were homosexuals.

 

[sojourner]

Sheldon, please, as much as the terrorist jihadist groups are denounced by muslims, any reasonable person can appreciate the fact that there are wolves in sheep's clothing in all circles.

That’s not what you said to me earlier when I suggested that Bakker and Falwell and others were Christians without moral character. You said that they weren’t Christians. Now you’re saying that they are, but that they’re bad Christians. So which is it, really? Are you ready to admit that Christians don’t have a monopoly on the moral high ground?

 

[sojourner]

We are all confronted with many enticements in this world. Many can adopt or acquire, a preference or taste for something. What we enjoyed yesterday, may not be the same as to what attracts us today, or in the future.

Except that doesn’t seem to be the case where human sexual orientation is concerned.

 

[sojourner]

Humanity will not subsist if all were homosexuals.

But we’re not all — and never have been. Do you realize how overpopulated we are? Humanity will not subsist if everybody keeps having babies indiscriminately.

 

[Ashoka]

I don't care to hang around homosexuals. I don't approve of what they flaunt as natural, healthy and inconsequential. I try to avoid them as much as I can.

That's so sad. You are missing out on knowing some amazing people. But that's your loss.

 

[Sheldon]

You are not hardly as smart as you think you are, and I'm tired of answering your dumb questions.

Oh and take this; I already knew about your study.

Ah petty ad hominem, rather predictable. I thought Googling whataboutism was simple enough, ah well. Most of your recent posts are defined by whataboutism. Also you have not answered any questions, which was rather the point, it seems to be the defining characteristic of many of your posts here, whataboutism and evasion.

Why don't you pay more attention to what I'm saying.

When you say something of any value I will give it due diligence. In the mean time you might want to re-read that disjointed rant you just posted, and ask yourself what it is you were hoping to say or achieve. maybe read back your last half dozen posts in this thread and do the same.

 

[Sheldon]

Look past the flesh, Sheldon. This is the issue that we are talking about.

This has absolutely nothing to do with sex as fare as I am concerned, you're the one obsessing about who does what to whom, not me. My only concern, is that harmful hate speech like homophobia does not go unchallenged.

 

[Sheldon]

Christian's are wholesome characters, we denounce illicit sexual behaviour and hope that the sinners, like homosexuals and atheists, will repent.

Sheldon, please, as much as the terrorist jihadist groups are denounced by muslims, any reasonable person can appreciate the fact that there are wolves in sheep's clothing in all circles.

Your claim was facile nonsense, and if you think a no true Scotsman fallacy is going to make it less so, then you're wrong. There are good people who are Christians, and there are vile wicked people who are Christians, that is a fact, as my post amply demonstrated:

No they're not, that's just a No True Scotsman fallacy. Hitler was a Christian, as was every member of the German SS who ran the death camps, the KKK is a Christian organisation, the Westborough Baptist church are all Christians, the Inquisition the Crusades, the endemic child rape within the RCC and those who protected them, and moved them around avoiding justice to carry on abusing children, all Christians.

Morality is of course subjective, but a person's actions are what determines if they are moral, not a descriptor you attach to them.

 

[Sheldon]

We are all confronted with many enticements in this world. Many can adopt or acquire, a preference or taste for something. What we enjoyed yesterday, may not be the same as to what attracts us today, or in the future.

People are born gay, just as people are born straight, it is not a choice, or a "taste for something", that bigoted canard has been exposed for what it is for some time. Homosexuality is a perfectly natural variation of adult human sexual desire. Again if you don't like it then don't do it, but others are not bound to live their lives being punished and hurt, according to your beliefs and prejudices.

 

[Sheldon]

I think that the LGBTQ movement has subverted society.

Most intolerant people tend to chaff at organisations that fight for equality. Gay people have the same rights as straight people in most decent societies, as they should.

 

[Sheldon]

Humanity will not subsist if all were homosexuals.

So what? We are not all gay are we, so that's rather meaningless assertion. In fact we have an exponentially increasing human population, which is one the single most serious threats to the planet and all life that we face. Since the planet has finite resources.

 

[Ashoka]

Christian's are wholesome characters,

The Salem Witch Trials:
The Salem Witchcraft Trials of 1692

The Inquisition:
Inquisition

The Crusades:
Crusades.

 

[DNB]

That's so sad. You are missing out on knowing some amazing people. But that's your loss.

No, I feel the same way of promiscuous people, drug users, strippers, etc... I've never liked the conversation or the attitude.
But, I know gay people, and yes, we've had great discussions. Clearly, clearly, clearly, sexual deviants or the confused, are not devoid of some great characteristics: intelligence, compassion, productivity, etc... But, when the discussion goes into the areas of licentiousness and promiscuity, which invariably it will, I become extremely indignant, and feel that these are not behaviours to be endorsed and embraced. Thus, I try to choose my associates wisely.

 

[DNB]

This has absolutely nothing to do with sex as fare as I am concerned, you're the one obsessing about who does what to whom, not me. My only concern, is that harmful hate speech like homophobia does not go unchallenged.

Again, again, and again, you are misconstruing a denunciation of immorality, with that of a superficial hate crime. I'm against all forms of sex outside of a heterosexual married couple. And, even then there are parameters to be observed.

 

[DNB]

Your claim was facile nonsense, and if you think a no true Scotsman fallacy is going to make it less so, then you're wrong. There are good people who are Christians, and there are vile wicked people who are Christians, that is a fact, as my post amply demonstrated:

Hitler was not a Christian, nor are any members of the KKK. Ask Jesus, he'll tell you, like seriously!