Homophobia

[Argentbear]

Because I don't care. I advised you so you might behave better in the future with other people.

wow...irony

 

[SkepticThinker]

Ask your university.

And how about the National Library of Medicine — are they in it too? Because they have the same views.

This was in response to, "That's what "Focus on the Family" claims anyway.

Here is their mission statement:

"To be led by the Holy Spirit in sharing the Gospel of Jesus Christ with as many people as possible by nurturing and affirming the God-ordained institution of the family and proclaiming biblical truths worldwide."

They have a very obvious agenda."


Ummm, no they don't and the article you've provided doesn't say the do either.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Why you can't keep up with the discussion is not my problem.

Again, I am keeping up very well, thank you.

I'm not the only poster to make a similar observation.

But if you think you've used actual logic here, please feel free to point out where. Should be easy for you.

Another example of your not being able to keep up.

This was in response to, "We get it. We just vehemently disagree and have no problem saying so."

Oh wait, so you vehemently agree? That's news. Please elaborate like we're having an actual conversation here.

My question "why would you..." Is an indication that I disagree to begin with.

Great so you disagree. How come?

Only disbelievers died in the flood. No one died in Eden.

The whole world save for Noah and his family all die in the flood story.

Because I don't care. I advised you so you might behave better in the future with other people.

By telling them you don't care?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Ask your university.

It's not just them but also professional experience.

And how about the National Library of Medicine — are they in it too? Because they have the same views.

Individual articles aren't their views. You have you Focus on the Family one, but here's another.

Same-sex and different-sex parent households and child health outcomes: findings from the National Survey of Children’s Health - PMC

Using the 2011–2012 National Survey of Children’s Health dataset, we compared spouse/partner relationships and parent-child relationships (family relationships), parenting stress, and children’s general health, emotional difficulties, coping ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Conclusions:

Children with female same-sex parents and different-sex parents demonstrated no differences in outcomes,

 

[Pawpatrol]

No, that actually makes it even worse for vaginal sex. Think about it. That statistic only applies to women that have anal sex. I cannot remember the exact figure, but it was around a third. A third of 25% is 8%. Eight and a third, and since I could be a little low (I could be a little high too) lets round that up to 9%. It is estimated (and this is considered a low estimate) that worldwide 30% of married woman have been forced in to having vaginal sex at some time. By your reasoning that makes vaginal sex three times worse than anal:

Women’s experiences of marital rape and sexual violence within marriage in India: evidence from service records

Sexual violence within marriage is common and manifests in various forms, including marital rape. It has serious physical and mental health consequences and is a violation of women’s sexual and reproductive health rights. Marital rape, reproductive ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

I never said anal sex is bad because of that. I'm saying it is not always something the woman wants.

 

[Pawpatrol]

They learn those things from same sex siblings, peers, role models

It's not about learning as much as it is about caring and nurturing. Learning something from a child is not like learning for a parent in any case.

Is it really hard for you to fathom 2 loving mothers or 2 loving fathers?

No. There are billions.

Having heterosexual parents does not guarantee a good upbringing AT ALL.

No, it doesn't. Wearing a seat belt doesn't guarantee we won't get hurt in an accident — we still wear them.

 

[McBell]

Having heterosexual parents does not guarantee a good upbringing AT ALL.

No, it doesn't. Wearing a seat belt doesn't guarantee we won't get hurt in an accident — we still wear them.

Please explain how you see your reply as being relevant to that which you replied to.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I never said anal sex is bad because of that. I'm saying it is not always something the woman wants.

So what?

 

[Pawpatrol]

So what?

A very interesting response...

 

[Subduction Zone]

A very interesting response...

You made an argument so poor that a simple "So what?" refuted it.

 

[Pawpatrol]

You made an argument so poor that a simple "So what?" refuted it.

Rather I was thinking about how typical it is for men to think "so what?" When it comes to a woman not wanting sex. Many of them just don't care. It's about time for feminists to stop imagining men have their best interest in mind with the sexual revolution.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Rather I was thinking about how typical it is for men to think "so what?" When it comes to a woman not wanting sex. Many of them just don't care. It's about time for feminists to stop imagining men have their best interest in mind with the sexual revolution.

You think that feminists think men have their best interest in mind with the sexual revolution?
What do you think we had a sexual revolution for, in the first place then?

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

I really do not understand why anybody would concern themselves about other people's sexual proclivities or racial backgrounds.
Two of the most beautiful and intelligent people I have ever met were mixed race.

Closer to home, My granddaughter's boy friend is half Indian 6 ft 6 ins tall and a smart good looking young journalist.
She is a tiny blond 5 foot 5 Inch family lawyer. Specialising in children and public mis-administration cases, At first glance an unlikely match. But a sound one... Both her bark and her bite belie her appearance.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Rather I was thinking about how typical it is for men to think "so what?" When it comes to a woman not wanting sex. Many of them just don't care. It's about time for feminists to stop imagining men have their best interest in mind with the sexual revolution.

Then you were blind as to how bad that your argument was.

 

[Pawpatrol]

If someone is forced to participate in any sexual act it is rape.

Why do you have trouble understanding that?

I don't. You're not keeping up.

Children aren't raised in isolation. There are always extended family, friends, neighbors, educators and so on.

They still need both parents. Those other people do not compensate for lack of and failure in parents. Besides, those others might be worthless or even harmful. The parents are the rock for the child — well they should be anyway.

Yes, but it was a fine piece of prose.

I largely missed it, but the gist of it was "don't you dare to disagree with me", I think.

Tell me, please, how my "homosexual lifestyle" is in any way immoral or harmful?

It's immoral because it's forbidden and against the nature of a person. It doesn't fulfill any purpose except for personal desire — the fulfillment of which is perfectly worthless to the society at large.

It's harmful, to give one example, because you don't understand or care about the immorality in it and are thus propagating it and showing bad example to everyone.

you can't value people while you are comparing them to substance abusers and incest and child pornography

Are you saying substance abusers can't be valued?

 

[Argentbear]

I don't. You're not keeping up.

They still need both parents. Those other people do not compensate for lack of and failure in parents. Besides, those others might be worthless or even harmful. The parents are the rock for the child — well they should be anyway.

If a police officer is killed in the line of duty should that officer's children be removed from the custody of their remaining parent because children need both parents?

It's immoral because it's forbidden and against the nature of a person.

how can someone be against their own nature?

It doesn't fulfill any purpose except for personal desire —

How does that differ from your lifestyle?

It's harmful, to give one example, because you don't understand or care about the immorality in it and are thus propagating it and showing bad example to everyone.

You just described bigotry

 

[SkepticThinker]

I don't. You're not keeping up.

That poster isn't the only one to notice.

They still need both parents. Those other people do not compensate for lack of and failure in parents. Besides, those others might be worthless or even harmful. The parents are the rock for the child — well they should be anyway.

Well, that's just like, your opinion, man.

I largely missed it, but the gist of it was "don't you dare to disagree with me", I think.

It's immoral because it's forbidden and against the nature of a person. It doesn't fulfill any purpose except for personal desire — the fulfillment of which is perfectly worthless to the society at large.

This was in response to, "Tell me, please, how my "homosexual lifestyle" is in any way immoral or harmful?"


Forbidden by whom, exactly? How does someone "forbidding" it, make it immoral? How does that harm YOU?

It obviously doesn't "go against the nature" of the person you're speaking to, does it. So that one's out and has nothing to do with morality anyway. It also has nothing to do with it affecting you in any way.

Neither does your "purpose" claim. What you mean is, that is doesn't serve a purpose for you. Which of course, doesn't speak at all to morality or to how you're harmed by someone else doing it. Because you're not harmed by someone else doing it. You just think it's "icky" and apparently consider that to be some sort of harm to you.

It's harmful, to give one example, because you don't understand or care about the immorality in it and are thus propagating it and showing bad example to everyone.

This is not an example and it doesn't make sense. You've not shown "the immorality in it." Nor have you shown how it harms you, though you keep claiming it does and you have.

Are you saying substance abusers can't be valued?

You forgot the rest of the quote you were quoting: "you can't value people while you are comparing them to substance abusers and incest and child pornography"

 

[Pawpatrol]

But, yes, your god allows a man to sell his daughter into slavery

God allows homosexuals to practice homosexuality, too. They're still sinful, it's still wrong, and they'll still be punished for it.

Chronically single men in America, where their are single women available, are often losers and bad people which is why they are single.

Did you ever think that maybe they're "losers" (you sound like such a positive person to be around) because they're single?

Which, of course, is a hateful comparison homosexuality is nothing like drug addiction. You might as well compare it to pedophilia or bestiality

I do.

You need to stop working off of your prejudices and start supporting your claims with evidence. If you do not do so you cannot blame others for dismissing unevidenced nonsense

I've posted more evidence than all of you together — you just keep ignoring it. That's a you problem.

I find bigotry disgusting

Only when it happens to be against your values. Otherwise you love it.

 

[Argentbear]

I do.

Why? What made you have such sick, seething, twisted hatred for a minority? And don't try to pass your hate off on God. It's yours, you are the one choosing to spew evil and hurt others. No one else.

I've posted more evidence than all of you together — you just keep ignoring it. That's a you problem.

No you cut and paste from hate groups.

Only when it happens to be against your values. Otherwise you love it.

Bigotry is against any good person's values.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

God allows homosexuals to practice homosexuality, too. They're still sinful, it's still wrong, and they'll still be punished for it.

No, your god allows as a part of his law for a husband to sell his daughter, amd son, into slavery. The son will eventually be freed but not the daughter. No punishment for this.
The Bible demands death for homosexual acts. That isn't allowed.

Did you ever think that maybe they're "losers" (you sound like such a positive person to be around) because they're single?

No, they are single because they are losers. They frequently play the victim card, blame others (especially women) for their woes and rarely realize it's all them and their unattractive personalities.
But the point is its a very different situation between here and China, where there will be single men because the ratio of men to women is severely unbalanced.

I do.

Which means you are a homophobe and bearing false witness.

I've posted more evidence than all of you together — you just keep ignoring it. That's a you problem.

No, evidence that counters you has been posted. We can all see that.

Only when it happens to be against your values. Otherwise you love it.

That's some gnarly, nasty projections to assume everyone is bigoted like you. Some of us are even aware of our prejudices and biases and work to keep them in check.