Homophobia

[Argentbear]

And if society didn't accept it would the abuse be acceptable?

It sure used to be

Oh, good. Because if they were I would have to take drastic actions.

what would that be?

If you would like, but I'm not really into proving things.

Seems I called that one

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Oh, good. Because if they were I would have to take drastic actions.

Drastic actions?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I do not think that he understands the concept of mutual consent. That is not a good sign.

It does seem there is a fair chance of that being accurate.

 

[SkepticThinker]

So are you.

And maybe one day you'll address my counter points.

People do rape people they love. People also beat people they love.

Those are not acts of love.
People don't rape people they love.

What kind of sick world do you live in where people rape their loved ones???

Anal sex is not an act of love either - do you understand that?

It can be. It is when I do it. Do you understand that?

Eg. Men, discipline. Women, affection and empathy. More so than the other.

All human beings experience these emotions. These are human emotions.

My mother disciplined me plenty. LOL

 

[SkepticThinker]

Yes, I have. You missed it. Either scroll back or get over it.

I've followed along pretty closely and responded to a great deal of your posts.
I think it's as I've described and I've yet to see anything to convince me otherwise.

I'm not referring to any specific "acts" but to any homosexual acts - i.e. sexual acts between two men or two women.

You're not referring to acts but you're referring to acts.
Mkay then.

That there's only one God? That's easy. If there were many they wouldn't be gods — semi-gods maybe if that was a thing, but God must, by definition, be supreme over all. If he's not, he's not God.

Oopsy that's not proof of anything. Just assertions.

 

[SkepticThinker]

That speaks volumes about you

Pretty much says it all, if you ask me.

 

[Subduction Zone]

And maybe one day you'll address my counter points.

Those are not acts of love.
People don't rape people they love.

What kind of sick world do you live in where people rape their loved ones???

It can be. It is when I do it. Do you understand that?

All human beings experience these emotions. These are human emotions.

My mother disciplined me plenty. LOL

I missed those claims of his. And I could not agree more. You do not beat the person that you love. You do not rape the person that you love.

 

[Pawpatrol]

I've read some disgraceful **** on RF over the years but this has to be the lowest of the low. Let us all hope that you don't get considered a burden.

Rather, let's hope I don't become a burden.

Yes, we should exterminate the weak (sarcasm)

You do you , I guess.

Native Americans and black people being labelled as feebleminded and criminal and sterilized as a result.

Being feebleminded or a criminal doesn't automatically make a person a burden on the society.

That's what happens when you view a group as a burden

Groups are viewed as a burden right now. How do you think your government decides whom to give their money to? Do you think they do that without any consideration at all? Nobody gives millions to anyone without careful consideration.

Do you want me to show you it?

In all honesty I'm not particularly interested, but you can mention the name if you'd like for the benefit of everyone.

 

[SkepticThinker]

I missed those claims of his. And I could not agree more. You do not beat the person that you love. You do not rape the person that you love.

This dude is claiming that there isn't any love involved in being intimate with someone, then turns around and claims people rape their loved ones. Like, wtf?

 

[Pawpatrol]

if you view people who are different as a burdens then it is obviously its you that has the problem

Hmm.. I do think that people who can't read have a high risk of becoming a burden on the society.

Your choice to hate LGBT people is a reflection of you and not of anyone's ability to parent

Of course not — do you think I'd take responsibility for that damage? I'd say "I told you so."

Same-Sex and Different-Sex Parent Households and Child Health Outcomes Henny Bos 2016
School Outcomes of Children Raised by Same-Sex Parents: Evidence from Administrative Panel Data Deni Mazrekaj 2018

Are you aware of how unhelpful your referencing style is on a discussion forum?

That is stupid

It is like a man who finds blond women more attractive than brunettes calling men who prefer brunettes ill

I'm not confident in your ability to use the phrase "it's like.." appropriately.

 

[Eddi]

I'm not confident in your ability to use the phrase "it's like.." appropriately.

Yeah well your moral reasoning seems more than a little ****ed so that doesn't really bother me I'm afraid

 

[SkepticThinker]

Hmm.. I do think that people who can't read have a high risk of becoming a burden on the society.

Of course not — do you think I'd take responsibility for that damage? I'd say "I told you so."

You sound like a very loving and kind person. /sarc

Are you aware of how unhelpful your referencing style is on a discussion forum?

I find it extremely helpful.
It's how it's done in the academic world.
All you have to do is copy and paste it into your search bar.

I'm not confident in your ability to use the phrase "it's like.." appropriately.

 

[Argentbear]

Hmm.. I do think that people who can't read have a high risk of becoming a burden on the society.

Of course not — do you think I'd take responsibility for that damage? I'd say "I told you so."

Why you aren't taking responsibility for the damage your homophobia is doing?

Are you aware of how unhelpful your referencing style is on a discussion forum?

Its called providing a refernce. Try it sometime.

 

[I Am Hugh]

You missed the point. The abuse was never acceptable.

Interesting. You perceive the past from the moral perspectives of the present? I think science typically makes that error. What were the dark ages?

You mean like following your own desires? Such an enigmatic response deserves another.

Frank Herbert quote from Chapterhouse Dune I often use as my signature on forums: "Seek freedom and become captive of your desires. Seek discipline and find your liberty." The response in question was a sarcastic parody of the homophobia phobia often prevalent with atheists and the current [looks at watch] woke ideologues. Another Herbert quote, this one from Heretics of Dune: "In my estimation, more misery has been created by reformers than by any other force in human history. Show me someone who says, "Something must be done!" and I will show you a head full of vicious intentions that have no other outlet. What we must strive for always! is to find the natural flow and go with it."

Above you are quoted as saying the abuse was never acceptable. From someone who experienced it as I have that is an interesting statement.

Then why do you even bother to attempt to debate?

It's primarily a product of ego which has become over time less and less appealing to me, but it also serves as a sort of curiosity on how ideology affects people's ability to think.

 

[I Am Hugh]

As someone who's ambidextrous I have gotten into some arguments, especially at work, with wankers who think it's wrong of me to use my left hand.
Yes, left handedness should absolutely be accepted and it should be equally acceptable to call out people who have an issue with it.

To what end?

It's the same with homosexuals. They harm no one and if you have a problem with it it is entirely on you.

The logic in that obstinately persists in its absence. I believe you and I had a similar disagreement on the subject of propaganda when I suggested all art is propaganda. Whenever you decide this is wrong and this is right you've only had a kneejerk reaction to someone else having made the same demands, almost always from an emotional, that is, illogical and therefore myopic and destructive - even self-destructive substitute for the one it replaces. Thus, the expression, meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

My argument here, from the start, has been that everyone should be accepted. How do you counter that argument with the insistence that only certain groups must be accepted as if that were the tolerance you seem to be insisting upon? I mean, you can think in a million different directions on how that philosophy could be disastrous with only a few different directions on how it could be advantageous. To you and the group you represent.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Interesting. You perceive the past from the moral perspectives of the present? I think science typically makes that error. What were the dark ages?



Frank Herbert quote from Chapterhouse Dune I often use as my signature on forums: "Seek freedom and become captive of your desires. Seek discipline and find your liberty." The response in question was a sarcastic parody of the homophobia phobia often prevalent with atheists and the current [looks at watch] woke ideologues. Another Herbert quote, this one from Heretics of Dune: "In my estimation, more misery has been created by reformers than by any other force in human history. Show me someone who says, "Something must be done!" and I will show you a head full of vicious intentions that have no other outlet. What we must strive for always! is to find the natural flow and go with it."

Above you are quoted as saying the abuse was never acceptable. From someone who experienced it as I have that is an interesting statement.

It's primarily a product of ego which has become over time less and less appealing to me, but it also serves as a sort of curiosity on how ideology affects people's ability to think.

Sometimes it appears that your prejudice keeps you from understanding basic ideas. Even when homophobia was well accepted in society it was still wrong. People that could reason always saw that.

 

[I Am Hugh]

Sometimes it appears that your prejudice keeps you from understanding basic ideas.

What is my position on homosexuality and if you disagree, why?

Even when homophobia was well accepted in society it was still wrong.

Sometimes society says something is "wrong" while others in that society disagree. The only thing that changes is whether or not society says it's wrong.

People that could reason always saw that.

People that thought it was wrong couldn't reason? You mean don't agree with the current consensus. Apply that to everything and watch your ideology crumble because you are the one that can't reason. Not because you disagree with me but because you can't do anything but emote that ideology. Reason only gets in the way.

 

[Subduction Zone]

What is my position on homosexuality and if you disagree, why?



Sometimes society says something is "wrong" while others in that society disagree. The only thing that changes is whether or not society says it's wrong.



People that thought it was wrong couldn't reason? You mean don't agree with the current consensus. Apply that to everything and watch your ideology crumble because you are the one that can't reason. Not because you disagree with me but because you can't do anything but emote that ideology. Reason only gets in the way.

When a person repeatedly excessively breaks up a post I often refuse to respond to them. It is an attempt to quote mine far too often.

 

[I Am Hugh]

When a person repeatedly excessively breaks up a post I often refuse to respond to them. It is an attempt to quote mine far too often.

Has that proven fortunate or unfortunate for you?

So if you take my post you have objected to you get this.

Sometimes it appears that your prejudice keeps you from understanding basic ideas.

What is my position on homosexuality and if you disagree, why?

Even when homophobia was well accepted in society it was still wrong.

Sometimes society says something is "wrong" while others in that society disagree. The only thing that changes is whether or not society says it's wrong.

People that could reason always saw that.

People that thought it was wrong couldn't reason? You mean don't agree with the current consensus. Apply that to everything and watch your ideology crumble because you are the one that can't reason. Not because you disagree with me but because you can't do anything but emote that ideology. Reason only gets in the way.

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With just a little editing you get the following.

What is my position on homosexuality and if you disagree, why?

Sometimes society says something is "wrong" while others in that society disagree. The only thing that changes is whether or not society says it's wrong.

People that thought it was wrong couldn't reason? You mean don't agree with the current consensus. Apply that to everything and watch your ideology crumble because you are the one that can't reason. Not because you disagree with me but because you can't do anything but emote that ideology. Reason only gets in the way.

 

[Gargovic Malkav]

Interesting. You perceive the past from the moral perspectives of the present? I think science typically makes that error.

I don't think science does that per se, but people who glorify it often do.
I believe this is why there are several debates on this site regarding "Scientism".