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Homosexual versus atheist president

Which is most likely to be elected first?

  • A Homosexual

    Votes: 11 61.1%
  • An Atheist

    Votes: 7 38.9%

  • Total voters
    18

lewisnotmiller

Grand Hat
Staff member
Premium Member
The unstated assumption in my OP is that each are publicly known. No one is hiding their homosexuality or atheism.

In that case...*ponders*
I dunno. Whilst Australia and America have plenty in common, in terms of religious views we're miles apart. We've already had an openly atheist Prime Minister. No openly gay prime ministers, although we've had openly gay senior cabinet members.

Based on nothing much more than openly atheist leaders seeming a little more prevelant through the rest of the world, I'll lean to atheist first, but I reckon this is a tough question for non-Americans, so I haven't actually voted.
 

columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn
The unstated assumption in my OP is that each are publicly known. No one is hiding their homosexuality or atheism.
Maybe you just have more trust in politicos than I do. When I hear one talk I assume that they are lying about something, if only by omission.
That said, I wouldn't have a problem voting for an atheist on principle. I am one, no prob. I might question their judgement. Why tell people irrelevant stuff that hurts your electability? Can't you lie for a good reason? Politicians need to know when to do that.

I'd have more issues with a gay candidate. I know a lot of gay people and most have suffered psychological damage from growing up in a homophobic society. At the local level it wouldn't be a big deal because people know them. Even at the state level they're more accountable. At the federal level its a different story. The billionaires and the spin doctors and the election consultants can make anybody electable. Sarah Palin was on a presidential ticket for God's sake. I'd need to know a lot about a homosexual for President before it stopped being a minus point on my personal check list of needed info.

Down the road a decade or two my issues with gay people might cease to be important. I certainly hope so. But for the foreseeable future ...

Back when Obama was running against McCain, a gay woman was running for city council here. I knew her very well and I didn't much like her PC extremism. But, OMG, I could vote for a black guy and a dyke here in rural southern Indiana! I knew it didn't matter who I voted for, neither were going to win here. But I didn't care, it felt really good!

Tom
 

Buttercup

Veteran Member
In 1960 JFK was the first Catholic ever elected president

In 2008 Obama was the first black ever elected president

In 2016 Hilary Clinton could be the first female ever elected president

If so, this would be another milestone in overcoming prejudice in the USA. But two others still remain, homosexuality and atheism. So, do you see a time in the future where either or both of these may not be a factor in the election of a president? And which do you feel is the more likely to be elected first?

And why?

I picked a homosexual president would be elected WAY ahead of an atheist contender.

There are many religious groups that already accept homosexuality as a perfectly normal way of life. Atheism is pretty much an unforgivable sin to many.

I just spent three months in Arkansas. I cannot imagine telling anyone I met that I am an agnostic/atheist. I value my life too much. :p
 
Maybe you just have more trust in politicos than I do. When I hear one talk I assume that they are lying about something, if only by omission.
That said, I wouldn't have a problem voting for an atheist on principle. I am one, no prob. I might question their judgement. Why tell people irrelevant stuff that hurts your electability? Can't you lie for a good reason? Politicians need to know when to do that.

I'd have more issues with a gay candidate. I know a lot of gay people and most have suffered psychological damage from growing up in a homophobic society. At the local level it wouldn't be a big deal because people know them. Even at the state level they're more accountable. At the federal level its a different story. The billionaires and the spin doctors and the election consultants can make anybody electable. Sarah Palin was on a presidential ticket for God's sake. I'd need to know a lot about a homosexual for President before it stopped being a minus point on my personal check list of needed info.

Down the road a decade or two my issues with gay people might cease to be important. I certainly hope so. But for the foreseeable future ...

Back when Obama was running against McCain, a gay woman was running for city council here. I knew her very well and I didn't much like her PC extremism. But, OMG, I could vote for a black guy and a dyke here in rural southern Indiana! I knew it didn't matter who I voted for, neither were going to win here. But I didn't care, it felt really good!

Tom

We had Barney Frank here in Mass for years. He was a lib whack case. I'll vote for anyone whose ideas are in sync with mine, regardless. Hell, I backed Clinton both times and Bush both times.
 
I picked a homosexual president would be elected WAY ahead of an atheist contender.

There are many religious groups that already accept homosexuality as a perfectly normal way of life. Atheism is pretty much an unforgivable sin to many.

I just spent three months in Arkansas. I cannot imagine telling anyone I met that I am an agnostic/atheist. I value my life too much. :p

The air usually gets sucked out of the room when someone finds out you are an atheist.
 

Buttercup

Veteran Member
The air usually gets sucked out of the room when someone finds out you are an atheist.
So true. I was a devoted Christian for 25 years and for most of that time I didn't know what to do when I met an atheist, it was terribly awkward. If there was a human being with whom I had the least amount of commonality, it was an atheist. You might as well have been born on Mars.
 
So true. I was a devoted Christian for 25 years and for most of that time I didn't know what to do when I met an atheist, it was terribly awkward. If there was a human being with whom I had the least amount of commonality, it was an atheist. You might as well have been born on Mars.

I didn't actually say it to my mom till i was in my 40s. All she kept saying was, "Oh, no you're not. I didn't raise you that way"
 

Bunyip

pro scapegoat
So true. I was a devoted Christian for 25 years and for most of that time I didn't know what to do when I met an atheist, it was terribly awkward. If there was a human being with whom I had the least amount of commonality, it was an atheist. You might as well have been born on Mars.

It's funny how different societies can be in this regard. In Australia it wpuld be unlikely that your atheism/theism would ever be discussed. You could spend you life as an atheist in Aus without it ever being mentioned, discussing your religious beliefs is somewhat taboo.
 

lewisnotmiller

Grand Hat
Staff member
Premium Member
It's funny how different societies can be in this regard. In Australia it wpuld be unlikely that your atheism/theism would ever be discussed. You could spend you life as an atheist in Aus without it ever being mentioned, discussing your religious beliefs is somewhat taboo.

Yeah, similar experiences for me.
It has come up occasionally with people I knew well (friends, uni colleagues, etc) but rarely as a casual point of conversation. Being vocal about religion in any direction (pro or anti) would be seen as stranger than having more personal theistic or atheistic beliefs, in my experience.

I expect this can vary amongst sub-groups within Australia to some degree.
 

Buttercup

Veteran Member
It's funny how different societies can be in this regard. In Australia it wpuld be unlikely that your atheism/theism would ever be discussed. You could spend you life as an atheist in Aus without it ever being mentioned, discussing your religious beliefs is somewhat taboo.

Yeah, similar experiences for me.
It has come up occasionally with people I knew well (friends, uni colleagues, etc) but rarely as a casual point of conversation. Being vocal about religion in any direction (pro or anti) would be seen as stranger than having more personal theistic or atheistic beliefs, in my experience.

I expect this can vary amongst sub-groups within Australia to some degree.
Yet another reason to like Aussies and makes sense to me. Your personal spiritual/religious beliefs are really no one's business but your own.
 

The Sum of Awe

Brought to you by the moment that spacetime began.
Staff member
Premium Member
In 1960 JFK was the first Catholic ever elected president

In 2008 Obama was the first black ever elected president

In 2016 Hilary Clinton could be the first female ever elected president

If so, this would be another milestone in overcoming prejudice in the USA. But two others still remain, homosexuality and atheism. So, do you see a time in the future where either or both of these may not be a factor in the election of a president? And which do you feel is the more likely to be elected first?

And why?

Far more than two. I'd be more surprised by an Islamic president than an atheist president. There also has never been a president that is: vegan, handicapped (aside from temporal injuries, which I am unsure if any presidents actually had temporal injuries), overweight, and many more.

Also one more that I really hope will come: A good president.
 

lewisnotmiller

Grand Hat
Staff member
Premium Member
James Buchanan, gay.

Maybe, but he weren't out flying a rainbow flag. Don't think he qualifies as openly gay, even if he was potting William King.

James Monroe, atheist.

Maybe, but he was more openly Deist. Certainly wasn't out saying there was no God.

James Polk, madman.

Ooooh...have to admit, don't know too much about Polk. Was he whacky, or just random?

Anything else?

Hmmm...one...
Why'd ya plump for Monroe over Jefferson as a possible atheist?
 
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