homosexuality a sin?

[DavidFirth]

What I find interesting is that according to some versions of the Bible just having characteristics that are more often associated with females will keep one from getting into heaven. What's that all about?

1 Corinthians 6:9 (NASB)
Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,​

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The only thing I know about that from the NT is that the only way into heaven is by faith in Jesus Christ.

 

[syo]

that definition does not help.

I prefer a much more accurate definition:

going against the will/wishes of your chosen deity​

god created everything, good and evil. there are paths to living good and to living evil. goodness makes people happy and evil miserable. jesus's teachings lead to a good life. therefore teachings of christ are good and what opposes his teachings is evil id est sinful.

 

[syo]

In the Bible Paul instructs married couples to have regular sex, and not for the purpose of making babies. Sex is not a sin.

I disagree. the only kind of sex that isn't sinful is the kind of sex that people can have babies. the christian orthodox believe that oral sex between married man and woman is of great sin.

 

[syo]

Does eastern orthodox christianity follow the Bible or do they just expect us to follow their teachings?

they follow the bible.

 

[syo]

The Bible by scripture shows that sex for enjoyment is the will of God:

no. the male sperm shouldn't be wasted. only appropriate for babies sex is allowed.

 

[syo]

That idea is not found anywhere in the Bible.
As long as they are married.

you mean a married couple can do whatever they want? that's wrong.

 

[Kemosloby]

I disagree. the only kind of sex that isn't sinful is the kind of sex that people can have babies. the christian orthodox believe that oral sex between married man and woman is of great sin.

Neither you or the Christian orthodox are Apostles and your teachings aren't scripture. You don't decide what is sin, that is the realm of God.

 

[Grandliseur]

no. the male sperm shouldn't be wasted. only appropriate for babies sex is allowed.

What is in scripture determines what should be right or wrong, not you, not some pastor, or some priest. Those who forgo scripture to establish human dogma are servants of satan.

Thus you need to listen to scripture, not anyone else.

 

[syo]

Neither you or the Christian orthodox are Apostles and your teachings aren't scripture. You don't decide what is sin, that is the realm of God.

What is in scripture determines what should be right or wrong, not you, not some pastor, or some priest. Those who forgo scripture to establish human dogma are servants of satan.

Thus you need to listen to scripture, not anyone else.

if sex for pleasure is allowed, then why scripture forbids homosexuality? and why only with one person is allowed?

 

[Kemosloby]

if sex for pleasure is allowed, then why scripture forbids homosexuality? and why only with one person is allowed?

Because homosexuality means people of the same sex together, which is really screwed up. Along the same lines of incest and beastiality. Men and women having sex is a normal thing, part of nature since the fall of man people started to make babies. So God has made sex between a married couple clean, and the Apostles tell married couples not to deny each other sex, for the purpose of keeping Satan away, so they can concentrate on prayer. Basically maintenence sex is what they prescribe. Not really for pleasure but not for making babies either.

 

[syo]

Because homosexuality means people of the same sex together, which is really screwed up. Along the same lines of incest and beastiality. Men and women having sex is a normal thing, part of nature since the fall of man people started to make babies. So God has made sex between a married couple clean, and the Apostles tell married couples not to deny each other sex, for the purpose of keeping Satan away, so they can concentrate on prayer. Basically maintenence sex is what they prescribe. Not really for pleasure but not for making babies either.

I see.

but this sentence 'Because homosexuality means people of the same sex together, which is really screwed up.' is very harsh. very very harsh.

 

[Kemosloby]

I see.

but this sentence 'Because homosexuality means people of the same sex together, which is really screwed up.' is very harsh. very very harsh.

The bible calls it an abomination...so which is more harsh abomination or really screwed up?

 

[syo]

The bible calls it an abomination...so which is more harsh abomination or really screwed up?

they are both harsh. abomination is a lot harsh.

 

[Kemosloby]

they are both harsh. abomination is a lot harsh.

Really screwed up is about as salty as I can get with it...What would you call it?

 

[syo]

Really screwed up is about as salty as I can get with it...What would you call it?

forbidden for the reasons I explained.

 

[Brickjectivity]

To claim that gay sex is equally as wrong as rape or murderer is ignorant and makes one into a clanging symbol. Such claim is an evil on its own. It is based upon an unbiblical idea about sins, iniquities and abominations, drawn from superstitions not the Bible. It is the cruelty of the middle ages imposed upon the church as a taint which now steams off of it like a poisonous cloud. It ignores everything the Bible actually says about sacrifices, ignores Jesus statements about love being the point of the law. It ignores Jesus statements about the nature of evil. To put all 'Sins' together into one category is a refined evil, a deadly missive sent to destroy us all, somewhat like a toxin.

 

[Kemosloby]

forbidden for the reasons I explained.

Forbidden is not a bad term, but not for the reasons you explained.

 

[columbus]

I see.

but this sentence 'Because homosexuality means people of the same sex together, which is really screwed up.' is very harsh. very very harsh.

It's also profoundly irrational.

The circumstances 3000 years ago were stupendously different. Progeny was desperately needed. STDs were not only untreatable, they were assumed to be God smiting people for something. People were ignorant and their ethics were primitive to be charitable about it.

None of that is the case any more. We now know enough to know that Scripture is utterly irrational, at least on this subject. The tenacity with which people cling to their irrational homophobia, and base it on Scripture, is solid proof (to me) that Abrahamic religion is irrational and ethically primitive.
I don't believe God is irrational and bigoted so I know Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are not particularly connected to God. It's all based on modern interpretation of primitive ancient prophets, who didn't really know God at all.
Abrahamic religion is mostly an impediment to knowing God. Because adherents are more interested in the self-appointed spokesmen of God(when they support what adherents want to believe) than God, or even rationality and ethics.

So when somebody claims to "Know Jesus " or something, I know for a fact that they are deluded.
Tom

 

[Rise]

you mean a married couple can do whatever they want? that's wrong.

God is the one who tells us what's wrong, not you.
No where in the Bible will you find the idea that sex for pleasure between a rightly married man and woman is wrong.

 

[syo]

God is the one who tells us what's wrong, not you.
No where in the Bible will you find the idea that sex for pleasure between a rightly married man and woman is wrong.

you mean a married couple can have oral sex? or use protection so that they WON'T have babies? no.
-EDIT-

 

[e.r.m.]

if sex for pleasure is allowed, then why scripture forbids homosexuality? and why only with one person is allowed?

Matthew 19:8 Jesus replied, “Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning.

Jesus only accepted marriage how God created it, man and woman.