Homosexuality and Homosexual Marriages: Why do Christians Care?

[Jackrabbti]

I didn't need to go to any church, touch any religious document, or even meet with any religious authority to obtain my marriage contract.

You don't believe that. A contract is between to consenting parties and the government is irrelevant (other than to enforce the contract). But, you don't think the government is irrelevant to same-sex marriage.

Yes, a marriage can be religion-free, but I'm sure you're still a fan of closing down Christian businesses that don't want to produce same-sex photos and cakes for religious same-sex marriage ceremonies.

in what way is having children something that homosexuals don't do?

If somehow sodomy does produce a baby, a married couple is all the more penalized by the government for being married. And, here you are perpetually disingenuous and now pretending that having children in a marriage makes marriage an even more legally favored position.

I'm going to a same-sex marriage tomorrow (husband's cousin) and she has two children.

Maybe you should talk to someone about the birds and the bees.

*Arches eyebrow* Neverminding that most Christians these days don't care that gays are getting married, and that plenty of gays also identify as Christian, how does this relate other than being an intentionally inflammatory supposition on atheistic motives regarding same-sex marriage?

Early in this thread stated that Christians hardly made a peep when the Supreme Court overturned the last remaining anti-sodomy laws. Christians really don't give a rip about what consenting adults do in private, contrary to the paranoia and deceit of leftwing activists. What Christians and true libertarians are concerned about is the intolerance and coercion of leftwing activists and those they elect.

 

[DragonHawk1959]

That is, care if others engage in them?


I know homosexuality has pretty much run its course here on RF, but I can't remember this specific point having been addressed, and just to be clear I'll restate the question.

Why do Christians care that people of the same gender engage in sex, and why do they care that they marry each other. Even caring to the point of voicing their objections and protesting?

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They care because they have been raised to conflate homosexuality with Sodomy. but this requires a faulty reading of the passage. The city was condemned before the coming of the angels. And The Prophets tell us the cause:
◄ Ezekiel 16:49 ► NIV
"'Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy."
The other 6 clobber passages are situational when read in Koine, Ancient Hebrew, or Latin.

 

[Prestor John]

I'm not a fan of most (if not all) of the "Christian" protests. Well, I'm just not a fan of protesting in general.

However, I believe that most Christians view homosexuality as abnormal and they don't want it to be viewed as anything else.

They believe that it is self-destructive and any mainstream acceptance of it has the potential to affect society negatively.

 

[whirlingmerc]

Ok... there are many issue... treating a person compassionately, dealing with people equitably, not caricaturing people or treating them 1 dimensionally., and respect usually works best as a two way street not a one way with

Some issues of concern of Christians would be that Jesus is the bridegroom and the bride is the church and marriage is a temporary parable of permanence of a greater relationship meant to last into the ages of the ages. The reason God called the world 'good' many times but not 'very good' until woman was made. By the way in Hebrew woman is pierced and man is piercer.

It appears to me the Bible represents marriage in complementation terms not in equalitarian or egalitarian terms. I would be in favor of using the 'domestic partner' rather than redefine marriage which is a term defined by God 'the two shall be one flesh' and expand 'domestic partner' to include cases that are nonsexual in nature like two sisters living together for decades or possibly a couple taking care of an elderly parent or relative

All of these uses can be abused by mischievous men... including saying never marrying is somehow superior than marrying...

 

[Jainarayan]

Suffering from homosexuality isn't in of itself evil, but it is a disorder. For one to accept themselves as a homosexual, though, is where the evil arises, and becomes manifest in their embracing unnatural femininity (or masculinity in the case of 'lesbians'), and committing acts of sodomy.

I can't even begin to address that. What is teh fassinashun wit teh buttsecks? Did you know that not all gay men do teh buttsecks?

Is this feminine (I probably shoont but it's on FB so wut da heck)?

 

[RedDragon94]

That is, care if others engage in them?


I know homosexuality has pretty much run its course here on RF, but I can't remember this specific point having been addressed, and just to be clear I'll restate the question.

Why do Christians care that people of the same gender engage in sex, and why do they care that they marry each other. Even caring to the point of voicing their objections and protesting?

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In a word, they're taught to. Whether or not they actually care is something else.

 

[Jainarayan]

Yes, a marriage can be religion-free, but I'm sure you're still a fan of closing down Christian businesses that don't want to produce same-sex photos and cakes for religious same-sex marriage ceremonies.

No, we just won't even try to do business with them. Word will spread, and many straight customers will boycott them. These businessed will close themselves down. Natural selection at its finest.

 

[columbus]

No, we just won't even try to do business with them. Word will spread, and many straight customers will boycott them. These businessed will close themselves down. Natural selection at its finest.

Really, it's this.
People I know who are planning weddings are probably not a representative sample of the country. But many of them, including white bread straight people, factor "inclusivity" into the plan.
Sometimes they start with that, and simply eliminate bakers and photographers who don't overtly work with gay couples. More often they respond to other people saying things like "Ew, Joe's Bakery turned down my cousin because they're gay", and then cross Joe off the list.
It happens a lot.
Tom

 

[idav]

However, I believe that most Christians view homosexuality as abnormal and they don't want it to be viewed as anything else.

They believe that it is self-destructive and any mainstream acceptance of it has the potential to affect society negatively.

It is not the view of majority of Christians, not in the US, you must be talking about another country or an Islamic state.

Even Mexico accepts same sex marriage.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_marriage_in_Mexico

 

[ahamtatsat]

i think for a lot of them it comes down to a desire/compulsion (spectrum here) to validate their belief system. When people act contrary to what they are told is the "only" way to behave it frustrates them and is at least a subconscious statement that the "commandment of God" is being disobeyed and not obviously punished.

i believe (for some am certain) that they need to have group acceptance in order to validate what they accept as their spiritual reality.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I will also be raising children in this society.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I'm a queer, transgender Christian and I care insofar as people have their civil rights.

 

[McBell]

I assure you that my hatred for sexual deviancy is motivated as much by politics as religion. Necessarily, the matter of marriage is a part of this.

That said, you've asked for the Christian perspective. There it is. Why you'd then complain about it constituting 'religious baggage' (whatever that is supposed to actually mean), I do not know.

I am not the one who started the thread.

 

[columbus]

I assure you that my hatred for sexual deviancy is motivated as much by politics as religion. Necessarily, the matter of marriage is a part of this.

As opposed to principles, stats and facts, or Jesus's teachings?
Tom

 

[ADigitalArtist]

Yes, a marriage can be religion-free

Cool, then we are in agreement that marriage is not a religious institution.

but I'm sure you're still a fan of closing down Christian businesses that don't want to produce same-sex photos and cakes for religious same-sex marriage ceremonies.

I'm a fan of enforcement of non-descrimination policy, sure. But I would be just as much if someone discriminated based on race, ethnicity or nationality, gender or religion. In fact I, as an atheist, have fired an employee for refusing to serve someone who didn't have the same religion.
But, this has nothing to do with gay marriage or my post.

pretending that having children in a marriage makes marriage an even more legally favored position.

Where did I do this?

Maybe you should talk to someone about the birds and the bees.

Maybe you should talk to someone about surrogacy, adoption or children through prior marriage? Once again, gays can and do have children.

Christians really don't give a rip about what consenting adults do in private, contrary to the paranoia and deceit of leftwing activists.

That's great, but this isn't about Sodomy laws, it's about gay marriage.

 

[Prestor John]

It is not the view of majority of Christians, not in the US, you must be talking about another country or an Islamic state.

Even Mexico accepts same sex marriage.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_marriage_in_Mexico

I wouldn't go that far.

Being tolerant or making allowances does not necessarily mean acceptance.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I wouldn't go that far.

Being tolerant or making allowances does not necessarily mean acceptance.

Polls show that most Americans support gay marriage. Catholics are the most accepting Christian group. (The laity.)

 

[Prestor John]

Polls show that most Americans support gay marriage. Catholics are the most accepting Christian group. (The laity.)

Would you mind providing a link to this info?

Also, what does the poll mean by "support"?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Would you mind providing a link to this info?

Also, what does the poll mean by "support"?

http://www.pewforum.org/2016/05/12/changing-attitudes-on-gay-marriage/

Actually, I should say that Catholics are the largest religious group in America and most support gay marriage being legal.

 

[Skwim]

http://www.pewforum.org/2016/05/12/changing-attitudes-on-gay-marriage/

Actually, I should say that Catholics are the largest religious group in America and most support gay marriage being legal.

While the church itself opposes same-sex marriage most of its members favor supporting it, which is encouraging, particularly among its younger members.

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