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Homosexuality and Homosexual Marriages: Why do Christians Care?

1robin

Christian/Baptist
It is not for you it's for all people. That is why I did not address you.

Please do not assume some anything. I didn't quote you for a reason.

I am not indirect Robin. Take what I say at face value.
I do not know what you are beyond overly sensitive. You post seemed to apply to what I have been saying more than anyone else so I am perfectly rational to think that someone who does not always format their posts correctly made a mistake.

I also do not know what "assume some anything" means, but yes you have been indirect and incoherent at times.
 

1robin

Christian/Baptist
Now you're just citing straight up bs from anti-gay groups. Their citations are not "secular", but anti-gay hogwash. Cameron? You must be joking. He's a lunatic with a vitriolic hatred of gay men in particular. He's been kicked out of the APA and denounced by pretty much every professional body you can think of. Good job on falling into the sewer. You have no cred here.

My goodness you guys who feebly defend homosexuality are predictable. Not only can I but I actually predicted every tactic I have seen in this thread.

1. You are attempting to wipe out all the relevant statistics, or even just all those I provided so far, by questioning the credibility of a miniscule fraction of just what I have provided so far.
2. You quite conveniently failed to mention the CDC and other imminent sources for the data I provided.
3. I have no idea what your trying so hard to do here. It looks like your writing off mountains of data by saying that one statistic had a Christians name connected with it.
4. I do not know if even the one set of data among many was produced by P. Cameron but even if that was so why would you reject the guy who was paid to work for these universities.
Institutions Stout State University
Wayne State University
University of Louisville
Fuller Theological Seminary
University of Nebraska
Family Research Institute
5. However I imagine that he was just one of many who put together some of that information.
6. You also failed to post a single reason why if even a semi-retarded drunk person had presented the data that the data was actually wrong.

I do not have time for this stuff. It is the same old unjustifiable attempts to reject anything that upsets your preferred narrative, and what is much worse it is at this point mind numbingly boring. Now that is not to say your so unintelligent you could not make a reasonable argument, just that so far you have not.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
My goodness you guys who feebly defend homosexuality are predictable. Not only can I but I actually predicted every tactic I have seen in this thread.

1. You are attempting to wipe out all the relevant statistics, or even just all those I provided so far, by questioning the credibility of a miniscule fraction of just what I have provided so far.
2. You quite conveniently failed to mention the CDC and other imminent sources for the data I provided.
3. I have no idea what your trying so hard to do here. It looks like your writing off mountains of data by saying that one statistic had a Christians name connected with it.
4. I do not know if even the one set of data among many was produced by P. Cameron but even if that was so why would you reject the guy who was paid to work for these universities.
Institutions Stout State University
Wayne State University
University of Louisville
Fuller Theological Seminary
University of Nebraska
Family Research Institute
5. However I imagine that he was just one of many who put together some of that information.
6. You also failed to post a single reason why if even a semi-retarded drunk person had presented the data that the data was actually wrong.

I do not have time for this stuff. It is the same old unjustifiable attempts to reject anything that upsets your preferred narrative, and what is much worse it is at this point mind numbingly boring. Now that is not to say your so unintelligent you could not make a reasonable argument, just that so far you have not.
Spouting off statistics doesn't mean anything unless you put them into context. Ever heard of sociology or social studies? What's the social and cultural context of HIV/AIDS in the LGBT and ethnic minority communities? Why are you ignoring that the majority of people with HIV/AIDS are heterosexuals and not injection drug users? How do you think they got it? You can get it from oral and vaginal sex, too. So I guess hetero sex is condemned by God, as well. Don't act like you care about people with HIV/AIDS when you're just using it as a hammer to condemn gay and bisexual men (nothing to say about lesbians or bisexual women, which is typical), and you're doing that incorrectly, anyway. Face it: you just have an irrational hatred of gay and bisexual men. You think what you imagine they do in bed is "icky". That's what this really comes down to. This isn't some glorious crusade for the truth, because you certainly don't have it.

Get real, and learn how to really examine data. So far you're getting an F.
 

1robin

Christian/Baptist
Anal sex is not a "homosexual behavior". Straights have it more than gays do. Straight men love it.
I did not mention any behavior in particular. Who are you referring to? However among those behaviors I had in mind (but did not specifically state) was male on male homosexual acts (especially the ones you mention). That particular behavior regardless of how much each orientation practices it, produces by far (it isn't even close) more damage per act when homosexuals practice it than when heterosexuals do.

Look, I have about concluded that no one is ever going to put forward a challenging argument in defense of homosexuality (not that it is only you I refer to). I can not justify hanging around here too much longer waiting for a meaningful argument which properly presents a challenge to my own. So take a break and dig deeper or very soon I am going to have to simply give up waiting for what it appears to not even exist.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
I did not mention any behavior in particular. Who are you referring to? However among those behaviors I had in mind (but did not specifically state) was male on male homosexual acts (especially the ones you mention). That particular behavior regardless of how much each orientation practices it, produces by far (it isn't even close) more damage per act when homosexuals practice it than when heterosexuals do.

Look, I have about concluded that no one is ever going to put forward a challenging argument in defense of homosexuality (not that it is only you I refer to). I can not justify hanging around here too much longer waiting for a meaningful argument which properly presents a challenge to my own. So take a break and dig deeper or very soon I am going to have to simply give up waiting for what it appears to not even exist.
Anal sex is not any more dangerous when it's male/male than when it's male/female. Now you're just making crap up. A butt is a butt.

You can go away. It's not like I care.
 

1robin

Christian/Baptist
Spouting off statistics doesn't mean anything unless you put them into context. Ever heard of sociology or social studies? What's the social and cultural context of HIV/AIDS in the LGBT and ethnic minority communities? Why are you ignoring that the majority of people with HIV/AIDS are heterosexuals and not injection drug users? How do you think they got it? You can get it from oral and vaginal sex, too. So I guess hetero sex is condemned by God, as well. Don't act like you care about people with HIV/AIDS when you're just using it as a hammer to condemn gay and bisexual men (nothing to say about lesbians, which is typical), and you're doing that incorrectly, anyway.

Get real, and learn how to really examine data. So far you're getting an F.
It does not matter because those at the CDC have forgotten more about the relevant academic fields and procedures than you and I put together will ever know. Regardless, I have a degree in mathematics which included many classes on the proper methods to compute probability and statistical data correctly. Not that you put forward a single reason to doubt anything I posted so far.

The reason I ignored what you mentioned is because what you said does not exist. The 4% of us that are gay produce over 60% of new aids cases. Please read more carefully. I am running out of patience with this thread.

Also, since this is not a heterosexual thread not a theological thread neither of those subjects apply. Also if you knew anything about statistics you would know that things like handedness, hair color, or the fat that 96% of the population being heterosexual is causally related to aids. Not that even what you mistakenly claimed here is even true to begin with.

For pity's sake, is this really the best arguments the homosexual community can produce to defend themselves? Simply showing all the ways your argumentation fails is exhausting. This is a good post to call it quits for one day. I will check back at least one last time to see if anything meaningful can be produced in defense of homosexuality, but my giving up on this thread is long over due. You are going to have to dig much deeper before you can hope to get an F. So far you get an incomplete or a never attempted. I graduated from the same university Van Braun worked at and the Apollo rockets were designed at. I see no evidence to believe you have ever even visited a college campus.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
It does not matter because those at the CDC have forgotten more about the relevant academic fields and procedures than you and I put together will ever know. Regardless, I have a degree in mathematics which included many classes on the proper methods to compute probability and statistical data correctly. Not that you put forward a single reason to doubt anything I posted so far.

The reason I ignored what you mentioned is because what you said does not exist. The 4% of us that are gay produce over 60% of new aids cases. Please read more carefully. I am running out of patience with this thread.

Also, since this is not a heterosexual thread not a theological thread neither of those subjects apply. Also if you knew anything about statistics you would know that things like handedness, hair color, or the fat that 96% of the population being heterosexual is causally related to aids. Not that even what you mistakenly claimed here is even true to begin with.

For pity's sake, is this really the best arguments the homosexual community can produce to defend themselves? Simply showing all the ways your argumentation fails is exhausting. This is a good post to call it quits for one day. I will check back at least one last time to see if anything meaningful can be produced in defense of homosexuality, but my giving up on this thread is long over due. You are going to have to dig much deeper before you can hope to get an F. So far you get an incomplete or a never attempted. I graduated from the same university Van Braun worked at and the Apollo rockets were designed at. I see no evidence to believe you have ever even visited a college campus.
You still haven't put your vaunted numbers into social or cultural context. You've obviously never been inside of a social studies class. Now you can go away.
 

McBell

Unbound
OMG, @Jainarayan , you poor thing!
If you need someone to help you through this dark hour you can PM me for a shoulder to cry on.
I've been there.
Tom
You won't have to PM me.
I was put on his ignore list long long ago.
We can talk openly about it and will not know since we both bear the proud honour of being ignored by him.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
I did not mention any behavior in particular. Who are you referring to? However among those behaviors I had in mind (but did not specifically state) was male on male homosexual acts (especially the ones you mention). That particular behavior regardless of how much each orientation practices it, produces by far (it isn't even close) more damage per act when homosexuals practice it than when heterosexuals do.
For the first part, it's easy to know what you mean when you say "homosexual acts," as that term is rarely heard being used by anyone who isn't an anti-gay Christian. And their is no research suggesting homosexuals who pork each other's butts are at an elevated risk because they are homosexual than heterosexuals who toss each other's salad.
 

omega2xx

Well-Known Member
I never said that what he said at one point was contradicted in a later point. I said he reveals new information over time.

That information is in the same book. It is not new, it is different.

I guess I can agree with this but never the less he revealed something at a later date which was new. I can post thousands of examples of this.

Give you best 3 examples.

That is precisely my point, humankind has changed in profound ways over the course of time, it stands to reason that that would mean we can handle one revelation at one point and a new one at another point in time.

Man is basically the same today as he was in Genesis. That is what Jesus said---they were eating and drinking, marrying and being given in marriage.

I also never said that God would not reveal the same thing in different ways over time. However it is simply undeniable that he reveals things at one time and then adds new ones over time.

I will wait for your examples.

It is not exactly relevant to discuss progressive revelation in a homosexual thread but who cares. The following scripture concerns what will occur after Christ was gone and the Gospels had been written.

New International Version
But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come.

If that does not indicate that God will continue his revelations to us throughout time then I do not know what does.

The truth the Holy Spirit is going to guide us into is the truths we find in Scripture. That there progressive revelation is an LDS doctrine.
 

Jainarayan

ॐ नमो भगवते वासुदेवाय
Staff member
Premium Member

Is this is the basis of your argument? You should know that Paul Cameron is completely discredited. Using this as the basis of your arguments, they are now completely, categorically and unequivocally discredited. Thank you for shooting down your own arguments and shooting yourself in the foot. :)

Paul Cameron: Introduction

Paul Cameron’s Falsehoods Cited By Anti-Gay Sympathizers

Paul Cameron - Wikipedia

Paul Cameron Bio and Fact Sheet

Stick a fork in it, it's done.
 

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Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
How can there be these "progressive revelations" when Jesus is clear that not a word of the law is to be changed or relaxed, not until the Earth and Heavens have passed, not until all prophecy has been fulfilled, and that anyone who does will be considered among the least in the Kingdom?
 

whirlingmerc

Well-Known Member
Depends what you mean by 'care'. Christians should 'care' for everyone and everyone has issues of various types. 'Care' should also resist 'caricature' of people or 'characterizing' them by one action. Not simple but for starters a few issues include:

First, marriage is a temporary parable now for a greater permanence forever. The greater permanence which applies even to unmarried singles is Jesus as bridegroom and all the redeemed, the believers, as the bride. Not egalitarian or an equal relationship. The analogy appears heavily complementation.

Second, Christians do have to consider issues like the apostolic historical views and Biblical statements relevant and sort them out according to conscience. The politically correct views are exceedingly fickle as politicians put their fingers in the air and discern 'wind blow' while Christians and people of faith in general are called to look to 'the rock that changeth not'

Third, there may be different conclusions regarding secular government marriage/domestic partnership and church marriage as church is derived form the word 'Lord' meaning all of life lived under the Lordship of Christ. For reasons of equity and compassion, etc... one might decide differently for the case of government/secular marriage the case of church marriage.

These should not be done in an overly simplistic way but there is ample room a Christian should 'care' on many levels. I would also say respect is a two way street. There should be a healthy amount of respect both ways as people respect life choices, conscience and free exercise (or non exercise) of religion issues
 
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Acim

Revelation all the time
Irrelevant.

Clearly not irrelevant as all your following words show.

If they're refused by even a single supplier, then the supply of cakes to same-sex couples is reduced. And even if there's a supplier of same-sex wedding cakes that they can use, the effort expended for the first store represents a wasted expenditure of resources by the couple.

All decisions that ultimately ought to be left up to the business.

What I was getting at, though, is that market economics is generally predicated on the idea that businesses exist to make profit. When a business operates counter to its economic interest (e.g. by turning away paying customers on the basis of their orientation), then we need to stop and re-evaluate public policies that are predicated on the idea that businesses will pursue their own economic self-interest, because other factors are at play.

Again, all businesses discriminate in some fashion. What they discriminate on, will vary. The split we have in this thread is who ought to decide such things, and why. Some of us see the market as capable of effectively dealing with this, others see need for government to step in and mandate how things for the business ought to work. Which is where the religious freedom thing enters. I look forward to this being sorted out because either way, it will open up doors for other things to come.


Yes, you did. The most recent example is right here:


I haven't even mentioned smoking in this thread.

You mentioned a principle of cross to bear, or when you exactly said:

If bigots have trouble adapting to a world that treats people with fairness and decency, that's their cross to bear. The alternative - i.e. going back and removing that fairness and decency - is unacceptable. Generally speaking, freedom is won over the objections of the oppressors.

I've noticed a whole bunch of bigots on the anti-smoking side of the equation. So, either you don't stand by this above assertion, or it applies to more than one topic. Funny that you didn't specify anything related to homosexuality in this quote.
 

GoodbyeDave

Well-Known Member
The 4% of us that are gay produce over 60% of new aids cases.
Those who drive a car cause most of the road deaths. Does that make driving immoral and would it justify discriminating against motorists?

For pity's sake, is this really the best arguments the homosexual community can produce to defend themselves?
Why should they have to?

my giving up on this thread is long over due.
Don't let us discourage you.

I graduated from the same university Van Braun worked at and the Apollo rockets were designed at.
Well, I suppose every establishment has its failures. For what it's worth (not much) I graduated from the university that's had more Nobel Prize winners than any other in Europe. My college won University Challenge last year, too!
 

Acim

Revelation all the time
Ok.



I always try to treat a poster who is new to me with respect until they demonstrate they do not deserve to be treated that way. So I am not speaking about you in particular but about something you and others have done.

When I debate a non-theist I always appeal to reason, argument, and evidence because as soon as I mention God or the bible they instantly and bitterly explain that they do not care about either. However it seems that at least with 3 posters in this thread prefer biblical arguments, I assume because they could not respond to my secular arguments effectively. So regardless of your motivation I will happily answer.

Good, and I'll respond.

1. I have stated over and over and over that I have not been making a theological argument, but strictly a secular one.

Well, we are on a religious forum, in a thread that has "Christians" in the title. So, there's that.

2. I have also said at least that many times that my secular arguments apply to homosexual sexual behavior.

Same response as the first assertion.

3. I have said as many times as well that I cannot make up a new argument for every subcategory a person can invent in the attempt to rationalize what can't be. But I do not need to because my original arguments cover all major categories of homosexual people.

We'll see if you need to or not.

4. Despite all of this you posted a hypothetical and vanishingly small group of homosexuals which consist of two people. Now even though my arguments apply to over 95% of homosexuals they do not apply to your tiny 2 person sub group and so they do not apply. Your question is ridiculous but would have been hard to argue against except you made the mistake of asking for a biblical argument which easily covers you tiny and arbitrary group.

It's your opinion that it is ridiculous. It actually applies to all cases of homosexuality and marriage, but would take discernment to realize this.

So despite everything above and how hard you must have tried I can easily give you a perfectly adequate response.

Alright, but be sure to put about 5 times the words in your response that I did to my initial inquiry and let me know that I'm the one that tried really hard.

1. The institution of marriage was created by God.

Not according to strictly Christianity. Have to go outside of Gospel for such understanding, so let's be clear on that. I think you know Jesus doesn't speak to marriage and God's take on it.

It was to be a representation of Christ's (the bridegroom) union with his church (the bride).

Now, you're just adding to scripture. I can do this as well.

Since Adam and Eve it was designated to also be between one man and one woman.

I find this laughable. Under explained, and laughable.


2. God also emphatically stated that homosexuality is an abomination.

I'm pretty sure that's not accurate. Certain it's not coming from Gospel. Still not addressing the question I asked, and if you think you are here's hoping you actually quote scripture to back up your assertions. I'm pretty sure you realize it won't pertain to my inquiry.

If you want scriptures for either of those two claims I can give you an avalanche of them.

I do. Seems like the thread to debate such things given that Christians is in the title, and that you are claiming things that I'm pretty sure scripture is not saying. Also, again certain, you won't find this in Gospel. So, not Jesus messaging we will get from you, but go ahead, provide your avalanche and we'll see how well it matches up, explicitly, with your claims.

Given those two facts

...that are currently being disputed for the falseness they convey, and for the non-Christian messaging they contain

the Holy Institution of marriage was never supposed to be made unholy by using it to validate an abomination.

Such as celibacy and more time for devotion to God? You sure you wanna get on that train?

There is your argument which took way more time to type that recognize. You gave me an easy task since a biblical argument requires none of what a secular argument requires. Biblical arguments are simply brute facts or in technical terms are properly basic facts.

Your move. Let me know when you move away from square one. I'll be waiting.
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
Jump in wherever you feel like it.

Yes are absolutely correct but even allowing that the sample size is very small and the studies have been being done for long I thought that at least you showed that among a dozen pillars that support my conclusion I am probably not justified in retaining the divorce rate pillar. The issue concerning divorce rates for homosexuals that I wanted to investigate is the fact that their having lower divorce rates is counter intuitive. The rates of occurrence for countless negative aspects of homosexuality so far outstrips heterosexual rates that it is hard to think of why divorce rates would be any different.

I'd say you should probably drop this one from your list.

You should drop your HIV/AIDS rates argument from your list as well, in my opinion. It ignores the global issue of HIV/AIDS in favour of focusing in one particular area apparently only because it supports the argument you are trying to make.


HIV/AIDS is most prevalent and most dangerous in Africa and always has been. To ignore Africa in a discussion of HIV/AIDS transmission is to draw a conclusion from incomplete and/or missing data which I don’t think is the best way to get to the truth of the matter.


That is to start down the slippery slope of sub categorization which would very soon make a debate prohibitive. In biblical morality the things a male homosexuals practice are wrong for heterosexuals as well. However leaving out what those acts it is primarily the fact that the 4% of us that are homosexual account for 60% of new aids cases. So it is not just a matter of the specific reasons why homosexuals account for so many problems, it just the fact that they in fact do regardless of how.

These statistics are misleading though, as you know.

This is just an abortive attempt concerning modulation. It may be that the percentages of homosexuals create some differences in the percentage of new aids cases but it is never the case that they do not produce new aids cases far out of proportion with their numbers. So at best you may find a nation where the numbers are not as high as it the US but they same disproportionality would always hold true.

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, your problem really appears to be with promiscuity and unsafe sexual practices.

You don’t really have a problem with sexual orientation, per se. More so with the sexual practices people engage in from all orientations.

You can try but I very quickly lost my patience with the ineffectiveness of the same tired old arguments I was getting and was very blunt and direct in my responses. Maybe go back to my first post in this thread where I emphatically laid out my two simple arguments. Of course I kept having to waste time in restating those simplistic arguments over and over and over because as usual people kept making arguments that misunderstood my original claims, but maybe you can accurately represent my two primary claims.
Maybe I can help to clarify some of the issues people are having with your premises.

1. Homosexual behavior (sex) causes losses of health, life, and property to such a massive extent that whatever benefits result from it are not enough to morally justify the behavior.

2. Heterosexual behavior (sex) causes far lower losses of health, life, and property and has a much higher magnitude of benefits so that it can be morally justified.


I think one of the problems you are running into here stem from your assertion that you’re making a secular argument. These two statements do in fact appear to be secular in nature, but the problem comes in when it’s time to employ your definition of morality, because that is when you revert to a religious argument.

The other issue I find is that you don’t seem to recognize that there are any benefits that come from people living their lives freely and openly as homosexual individuals. You don’t seem to agree that two homosexuals raising children constitutes a family, for example.

And finally your premises don’t appear to hold true for lesbians, which I think is a huge problem for you given that they make up about half of the homosexual population.

I do like the fact that you're trying to come at it from a secular viewpoint though, but I'm not quite sure you've pulled it off.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
@1robin (and for anyone who wants to read with interest and info)

I remember you were asking for me to give you statistics: Facts about Homosexuality and Child Molestation. The Bible doesn't link homosexuality to child molestation, murder, abuse, or anything of that nature as a study. Many believers assume homosexuals will be in a homosexual relationship 100 percent of the time; and, conclude, it's a sin.

Outside of religion, this link shares what a timeline of how homosexuality had been viewed and defined by medical "experts" and specialists in psychiatry. A lot of the discrimination of homosexuals with the religious is because the religious place religious standards on people they do not know.

Members of disliked minority groups are often stereotyped as representing a danger to the majority's most vulnerable members. For example, Jews in the Middle Ages were accused of murdering Christian babies in ritual sacrifices. Black men in the United States were often lynched after being falsely accused of raping White women.​

The number of Americans who believe the myth that gay people are child molesters has declined substantially. 1

By contrast, in a 1999 national poll, the belief that most gay men are likely to molest or abuse children was endorsed by only 19% of heterosexual men and 10% of heterosexual women. Even fewer – 9% of men and 6% of women – regarded most lesbians as child molesters.
Unfortunately, studies back when are not very easily compared to studies today... especially when we have no knowledge of what homosexuality is in regards to things like pedophilia, hemophilia, child molester, and child abuse.

Even though most Americans don't regard gay people as child molesters, confusion remains widespread in this area. To understand the facts, it is important to examine the results of scientific research. However, when we evaluate research on child molestation, our task is complicated by several problems.

One problem is that none of the studies in this area have obtained data from a probability sample, that is, a sample that can be assumed to be representative of the population of all child molesters. Rather, most research has been conducted only with convicted perpetrators or with pedophiles who sought professional help. Consequently, they may not accurately describe child molesters who have never been caught or have not sought treatment.​

In my opinion, the biggest problem with seeing homosexuality as an action and linked to sexual promiscuity and crimes (like child abuse) is not knowing the terminology. If we go by the facts and statistics rather than biblical definitions that were way before the 1970s, we'd have a general idea of why people have bias not just because they think its a sin but because they do not understand or know studies done today, they are still stuck with believing facts in the year 200 B.C., for example, is more applicable than facts today.

A second problem is that the terminology used in this area is often confusing and can even be misleading. We can begin to address that problem by defining some basic terms.​

Homosexuality after 1970s has started to move its definition from a disorder to more of a dysfunction that needed to be fixed. Later on in the years, probably year 2,000 if I remember correctly, ideas started to change outside the religious community for the better. Yet, religion, specifically Christianity, has put a huge taint on the progress of proper understanding regardless if the person agrees or disagrees with the facts presented in front of him.

On that note:

Pedophilia usually refers to an adult psychological disorder characterized by a preference for prepubescent children as sexual partners; this preference may or may not be acted upon. The term hebephilia is sometimes used to describe adult sexual attractions to adolescents or children who have reached puberty.​

I won't quote the entire article, but I have read it. This has changed recently because studies show (read the article if you'd like the statistics), studies show that a person's sexual orientation is can be hetero, bi, or homo but these attractions above does not have to do with sexual oriented attraction to the child as with an adult but because of the child's age.

In other words, sexual orientation is focused on spiritual, mental, and physical attraction to members of their own, opposite, or both genders (LGBTQ and S). Sexual attraction related to pedophilia is specifically linked to a child's age not the pedephile's sexual orientation.

2 is often referred to as "homosexual molestation." The adjective "homosexual" (or "heterosexual" when a man abuses a female child) refers to the victim's gender in relation to that of the perpetrator. Unfortunately, people sometimes mistakenly interpret it as referring to the perpetrator's sexual orientation.​

To sum up, the derogatory phrase "homosexual actions" and "homosexual behavior" was replaced with "same-sex actions" and "same-sex" behaviors without referring to the person's sexual orientation in relation to the actions doctors used to think caused homosexuals to commit actions. However, studies show (in the article) that it does not matter the sexual orientation of the molester but many molesters, GLBTQS are not all molesters and identities are not related to as such. As people, we have the option to commit criminal actions (Sexual abuse for example) without regards to who we are attracted to beyond physicological influences.

There was a study done to show the similarities of responses between LGBTQS people when watching video tapes researches showed on different subjects, appearances, based on age and activities they listened to on audio tape as well.

There is no significant reaction in regards to gender but in regards to age.

Interesting study

The distinction between a victim's gender and a perpetrator's sexual orientation is important because many child molesters don't really have an adult sexual orientation. They have never developed the capacity for mature sexual relationships with other adults, either men or women. Instead, their sexual attractions focus on children – boys, girls, or children of both sexes.​

Whether this is true completely, you'd need to go into psychiatry and so forth before stating statistics as more facts rather than researched conclusions based on studies that may or may not have been biased in application.

As for Biblical connection to what I just said above, the Bible does not talk about case studies and cannot be connected with a person's sexual orientation and their behaviors. For example, a straight person (someone attracted to opposite gender) have committed sins of lust just as a homosexual would have. However, the Bible does not differentiate people by sexual orientations but by gender and motive not who they are attracted to and why.

With that in mind, believers who are stuck with homosexuality being a sin should understand when debating the topic, a clear definition needs to be given so the other party won't be debating sexual orientation while the other action. Another note is that many believers do not consider that attraction does not always lead to lust. Pansexuals are attracted to people but not because of gender. While an asexual is not attracted to people physically, and still have a means to be spiritually and mentally attracted to people of his own sex or the opposite sex.

So, sexual orientation and attractions are on a sliding scale. Unless we are knowledgeable about the facts and/or statistics used as facts, unfortunately, we'd have a better discussion. Until then, this is just a bit of information for anyone who cares to read it.

It is a summary of the article as well but if you're interested in understanding it from a psychological and informative perspective, it's a nicely and well put together article. Read at your own time.

No debate.
 
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