Sonofason
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Oh my God. You and I agree?
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Homosexuality and Homosexual Marriages: Why do Christians Care?
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My apologies.
I did misinterpret the last part.
That makes you as evil as ISIS. You're just weaker. Thanks for disabusing me of another little part of my beliefs that religious people aren't any more evil than nontheists.
Tom
I don't know - I'm not 100% clear on your position.
Sonofason
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I agree with him.
You are both minions of Satan.
I see no reason to force people to make wedding cakes by force of law and threats of punishment. That's evil.
Tom
Sonofason
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The difference being, I don't want to cut off your head. I would simply rather make it very difficult for you to engage in homosexual behaviors in public places, and do whatever can be done to rehabilitate you.
Sonofason
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Maybe you're right, and maybe we shouldn't have to sell our homes to black orientals either.
I agree: nobody should be forced to make wedding cakes. We guard against this by making sure that nobody is forced to become a baker, and that no baker is forced to make wedding cakes.
Everyone should have career options available to them that don't involve violating their conscience, even if that conscience is bigoted and odious.
... but none of this means that a person should have the right to escape the consequences of their free choice, especially in a way that disadvantages others.
Edit: there's nothing wrong with the principle that if someone is going to offer goods and services to the public, that he should offer them to the WHOLE public and not refuse them in ways that are discriminatory.
Apparently we don't agree after all. What you're describing is monstrous.
I agree, you shouldn't have to.
I am very big on personal freedom.
And you don't, in the USA. You can do what other people do. You advertise your house for a high end of the market value, then offer a discount to people with your preferred level of melanin. You are the one who loses money by not taking the top offer, but you are free to pay for your own bigotry.
I've seen this happen. There is nothing illegal about it. And as long as you are paying for your bigotry I don't have a big problem with it. I still think Satan is guiding you, but why would I care about that? I don't believe that Satan has any objective existence.
Tom
Sonofason
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I agree.
A simple way to avoid this entire dilemma is to dis-allow LGBT marriages.
If you have a defective wheel on your bicycle, and it happens to also start squeaking, it makes no sense to add oil to it. The wheel is defective. Fix the wheel. If you fix the wheel and it continues to squeak, then maybe it's time to add some oil.
No you aren't. You're arguing for the personal freedom of sellers at the expense of the freedom of buyers.
It's very illegal, actually. If it can be proven that this happened, the seller can be in serious trouble.
Sonofason
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So you prefer the methods of ISIS?
Come again?
What?!
Prestor John
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Paul, the Apostle, told the followers of Christ to "avoid the appearance of evil."
To many believers this may include doing anything that has the appearance of promoting or encouraging sinful behavior, such as eating meat sacrificed to idols (which was Paul's example).
Although I would not personally consider baking a wedding cake for a same-sex wedding to be promoting the practice, other believers might and they are free to believe so.
No one should be forced to do something they consider sinful.
No I wasn't. I was specifically talking about property transfers. Not rental agreements.
Please do keep up.
<Waits while someone finds their logical armor and reorients themselves on the field. >
Tom
Not where I live.
Home sellers keep this on the down low, because it's socially unacceptable. But it is not illegal.
Tom
Sonofason
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Either the law is just, or it is not. If these discrimination laws are unjust laws, then what you prescribe to cheat the law may indeed be as just as it is legal. Bigotry is usually thought of as a negative trait. But I assure you there are cases of bigotry that can be justified. But if it is a just law, and if it could be said that bigotry is always wrong, then cheating the law by loopholes makes that bigot no less of a cheat.
I know the Bible well enough to know that Saul of Tarsus was no Apostle.
But apparently Christians don't have a problem with appearance of bigotry and hypocritical teachings. That's why Mormons both claim that a marriage is between one woman and one man, and also that a polygamous prophet had the True Religion.
Tom