Homosexuality and marriage (again)

[England my lionheart]

Typing error,i meant the kids homes in England are good

 

[England my lionheart]

Anyway there is a social stigma to consider,if my son had a gay mum and er mum turn up at football he would never hear the last off it,yes that is wrong but it is human nature and why should a child suffer because of their parents change in sexuality

 

[gnomon]

Anyway there is a social stigma to consider,if my son had a gay mum and er mum turn up at football he would never hear the last off it,yes that is wrong but it is human nature and why should a child suffer because of their parents change in sexuality

Then the fault lies in those who would "never let them hear the end of it".

 

[England my lionheart]

But they are the majority and really it is a contadiction of nature to be a parent and be gay.Most people accept some people are gay but gay parents well no they don't as it is'ntthe natural way of things.

 

[gnomon]

But they are the majority and really it is a contadiction of nature to be a parent and be gay.Most people accept some people are gay but gay parents well no they don't as it is'ntthe natural way of things.

The definition of parent and the definition of procreation are not the same.

I see no natural laws being violated by a homosexual raising and teaching a child.

 

[England my lionheart]

How can a homosexual have children,either they adopt or they pay a surrogate mother or they have children from a failed marriage or hetresexual relationship and only one is natural.If you were to have homosexual parents and you had to introduce them to somebody as this is my mum george and this is my dad frank its not normal,natural and does'nt make sense to a child.

 

[Storm]

The children don't seem to have your problem with it. As far as family goes, "natural" is just what you're used to.

 

[Storm]

So you support their right to marry gays?

They can do whatever they want to.

But they can't. They cannot legally marry gays. Do you support changing that, or do you support limiting their religious freedom?

Still waiting for an answer on this.

 

[gnomon]

How can a homosexual have children,either they adopt or they pay a surrogate mother or they have children from a failed marriage or hetresexual relationship and only one is natural.If you were to have homosexual parents and you had to introduce them to somebody as this is my mum george and this is my dad frank its not normal,natural and does'nt make sense to a child.

Homosexuality does not mean an individual is not biologically capable of producing offspring. Also, the concept of one man and one woman producing and raising a child is a social concept. A common one. Polygamous relationships, while not socially acceptable, are natural in regards to biology.

This doesn't even touch on the relatively uncommon role of the nuclear family as opposed to the role of the extended family in raising children. Parental roles are defined by society more so than any biological function in humans.

Besides, heterosexual individuals engage in the practice of surrogate parents or artificial ensemination as well. It's natural although it may not be normative.

 

[Autodidact]

OK lets go to basics here,because you are a lesbian you are attracted to women obviously and in a lesbian relationship(i am only going on what i've been told)there is the masculine half of the reationship ,i mean one lesbian will be the more dominant and take the male part of the couple which leaves the female part of the relationship(this is certainly true of the lesbian couple i met the male part looked like a russian shot putter and the female looked well feminine)so if she is the female part why is she a lesbian ,its so confusing but ot as bad as homosexuals having adopted children.

I'm sorry, England, you seem to know almost nothing about it, having only ever met one lesbian couple (that you know of) in your life. Lesbians are women who love other women. Hope that helps. I still don't see what's so confusing about that.

 

[Autodidact]

Anyway there is a social stigma to consider,if my son had a gay mum and er mum turn up at football he would never hear the last off it,yes that is wrong but it is human nature and why should a child suffer because of their parents change in sexuality

In general, do you think other people's prejudice is a good reason to deny children a family? I hope that you are fighting against this prejudice, which you are concerned is damaging to children?
Here in Denver my 3 kids have caught little or no flack for having lesbian parents, and it is not that rare. We are not the only lesbian family at the elementary school of 200 students. In fact, the president of the family council is a lesbian.

 

[Autodidact]

But they are the majority and really it is a contadiction of nature to be a parent and be gay.Most people accept some people are gay but gay parents well no they don't as it is'ntthe natural way of things.

Aproximately 1/3 of lesbians have children. So apparently your position is that gay people should neither give birth nor adopt?
btw, you never answered my question. Do you think my decision to adopt my youngest daughter was selfish?

 

[Autodidact]

How can a homosexual have children,either they adopt or they pay a surrogate mother or they have children from a failed marriage or hetresexual relationship and only one is natural.If you were to have homosexual parents and you had to introduce them to somebody as this is my mum george and this is my dad frank its not normal,natural and does'nt make sense to a child.

I think you would introduce two dads, if that's what you had.
I have 3 children. I gave birth to the oldest via insemination. My partner gave birth to the middle via insemination. I adopted the youngest. What does "natural" have to do with it? Do you by chance wear glasses?
Maybe you need to talk to some actual kids with gay or lesbian parents. Do you know any? Ask your kids, they might. Would you like to talk to mine?

 

[Random]

Every thread on RF nowadays should have "(again)" tagged onto the title, since everything has already been discussed @ least once and all the old subject matters are well-worn and tired. Yet they keep repeating...

Sure, why not? Gay and Lesbian couples should marry, divorce and remarry to their hearts content. No good reason they should be denied the privilage of the relationship merry-go-round.

 

[England my lionheart]

Sorry i had to go out,to answer your question no i dont think you should have adopted and here in England it is rare to have gay parents.You have your view of it and i have mine and we both believe we are right so lets leave it there although i think a larger majority would agree with me.

 

[McBell]

I t think the childrens homes are bad in England so i cant speak for the US but at all costs the child comes first,for example only,if i found that i was gay and divorced my wife and had custody of the kids there is no way i would consider have a relationship with another man as the kids come first.

You THINK the childrens homes are ...?
Do you have anything other than your wishful thinking to support this opinion?

Anyway there is a social stigma to consider,if my son had a gay mum and er mum turn up at football he would never hear the last off it,yes that is wrong but it is human nature and why should a child suffer because of their parents change in sexuality

This is the lamest excuse I have heard in a long while.
You are supporting this kind of behavior by bowing down to it.

And your presenting as a supposed legitimate argument in support of your position is really rather sad.
Are you that desperate to reason to be against it?

But they are the majority and really it is a contadiction of nature to be a parent and be gay.Most people accept some people are gay but gay parents well no they don't as it is'ntthe natural way of things.

A contradiction of nature?
How do you figure?

How can a homosexual have children,either they adopt or they pay a surrogate mother or they have children from a failed marriage or hetresexual relationship and only one is natural.If you were to have homosexual parents and you had to introduce them to somebody as this is my mum george and this is my dad frank its not normal,natural and does'nt make sense to a child.

Doesn't make sense to which children?
Oh, those children with parents like yourself who argue nonsense from ignorance perhaps.

Your argument seems to be nothing more than "Not the norm is bad."

Maybe you need to talk to some actual kids with gay or lesbian parents. Do you know any? Ask your kids, they might. Would you like to talk to mine?

Seems to me he is taking the exception and presenting it as the rule.

 

[Autodidact]

Sorry i had to go out,to answer your question no i dont think you should have adopted and here in England it is rare to have gay parents.You have your view of it and i have mine and we both believe we are right so lets leave it there although i think a larger majority would agree with me.

Well it's true that we have two different opinions, I think it's possible to look beneath people's opinions to see the underlying logic and evidence in support of them. One of us has every leading national child welfare organization, reams of actual social science research and life experience, and the other of us has...ignorant prejudice. Hmm...something to think about.

 

[England my lionheart]

I have no prejudice and i do not base my opinion on religion t is purely logic and the moral issues that it is based on ,i do not hate or despise you but i do think gay people like to get on their pedestal and preach we are normal and the rest are'nt.

 

[England my lionheart]

Anyway its almost midnight here so its bed for me as work to do in the morning so i bid you goodnight.

 

[Autodidact]

I have no prejudice and i do not base my opinion on religion t is purely logic and the moral issues that it is based on ,i do not hate or despise you but i do think gay people like to get on their pedestal and preach we are normal and the rest are'nt.

I don't believe I said anything about religion. How does morality factor into it? I haven't seen any logic yet in your posts. It appears that you don't know much about the subject; am I right? You don't know many gay people, no gay parents or children of gay parents, and haven't read any research on the subject, am I right? Excuse me, who here is preaching that he is normal and gay people aren't? What I am preaching is that you are wrong. It is not better for children to languish in foster care than be placed in a caring family. Heterosexual parents do not make better parents than gay parents. And it is not fair or logical to discriminate against parents or children because of societal prejudice.