Homosexuality and marriage (again)

[Smoke]

but we do extend marriage to homosexuals, i have nothing wrong with marriage being extended to a homosexual.

as long as they marry a member of the opposite sex.

Yeah, I know you think you're being cute, but the truth is, that's the truth.

None of the people who work so hard to keep Alyssa and me from marrying someone compatible are interested in keeping Alyssa and me from marrying each other. We could marry, knowing we're not compatible. We could even marry with no intention of consummating the marriage or living together. We could marry with no intention of having any kind of life together at all. Maybe I just want to put Alyssa on my health insurance, and want her to be able to get my Social Security benefits when I die, but otherwise, we'll live completely separate lives. None of the Christian crusaders are trying to make that kind of marriage illegal.

On the other hand, they do encourage people try to change their sexual orientation (which never works) and marry a partner of the opposite sex. Untold heartache has been caused by Christians, heartache both for gay people pressured into marrying someone incompatible and for the poor fools who married them thinking they actually had a shot at a healthy marriage.

So much for the sanctity of marriage. Christian homophobes have no respect at all for the sanctity of marriage. They're not trying to protect anything. They just want to harm us, and clothing their malign intentions in pious language doesn't fool anybody but fools.

 

[Smoke]

That is a hypothetical religion of exclusion and not of liberation.

Just like most real religions.

It's clear that you cannot imagine a religion that is liberating

He's probably never seen one.

 

[Buttercup]

but we do extend marriage to homosexuals, i have nothing wrong with marriage being extended to a homosexual.



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as long as they marry a member of the opposite sex.

Why should who I or anyone else marries have anything to do with you or what you believe?

 

[standing_alone]

Why should who I or anyone else marries have anything to do with you or what you believe?

Because some people's beliefs rely heavily on exclusion.

 

[Buttercup]

Because some people's beliefs rely heavily on exclusion.

I understand that. But, I don't try to tell him whom he can marry. What right does he have to tell others who they can marry? I don't get how religious people feel it's up to them to decide for others who they can marry. It's ludicrous.

 

[Captain Civic]

I think that humanism should come before religious textual interpretation, and therefore Christian and Muslims or anyone else who is gay and wants to be married should do it.

Why not encourage people to change their religion to make it more humane?

I don't care if people change their religion to be married as gays, but if you are Christian, and you get into a gay marriage, then aren't you contradicting your faith?

 

[standing_alone]

What right does he have to tell others who they can marry? I don't get how religious people feel it's up to them to decide for others who they can marry.

They think they are doing their God's will by pushing their religious codes on all of society. It's pretty arrogant when you think about it...

It's ludicrous.

Indeed it is.

 

[Smoke]

I don't care if people change their religion to be married as gays, but if you are Christian, and you get into a gay marriage, then aren't you contradicting your faith?

That depends. There are a wide variety of Christians, with a wide variety of beliefs.

 

[Moey]

If your religion says I can't be married in your church than I don't want to be there. But Religion should have absolutly no say on weather or not it is legal for me to marry someone of the same sex.

I don't want to be a part of any religion that doesn't want me as I am.

 

[Don Penguinoini]

Let people be gay and marry. They are still humans. Its a human right to be married.

 

[frg001]

If your religion says I can't be married in your church than I don't want to be there. But Religion should have absolutly no say on weather or not it is legal for me to marry someone of the same sex.

I don't want to be a part of any religion that doesn't want me as I am.

...and that is my entire point in a nutshell.
IMO
'Marriage' should be purely a legal agreement. Any religious ceremony should only be periphery, and essentialy unnecessary.
That would be equal for all people.

If Catholic (for example) churches want to ban homosexuality then GREAT! - It will only lend credence to their irrelevance in a modern society!

 

[Don Penguinoini]

For catholics should has no say in todays law.

Or as a matter of fact, no religion should. (scept hinduism.)

 

[angellous_evangellous]

He's probably never seen one.

Yes, but that's a weak excuse. If we're going to create a hypothetical religion, we may as well try to make it more humane, at least on something as basic as marriage. It's not like this is theoretical physics or something.

 

[frg001]

Yes, but that's a weak excuse. If we're going to create a hypothetical religion, we may as well try to make it more humane, at least on something as basic as marriage. It's not like this is theoretical physics or something.

You're not getting the point.
I wouldn't create a new religion. I am a pretty nailed on hard/strong atheist.
Please read what I have said, and try to understand.
I simply want most current major religions to be shown for the outdated concepts they are (IMHO).

 

[McBell]

...and that is my entire point in a nutshell.
IMO
'Marriage' should be purely a legal agreement. Any religious ceremony should only be periphery, and essentialy unnecessary.
That would be equal for all people.

If Catholic (for example) churches want to ban homosexuality then GREAT! - It will only lend credence to their irrelevance in a modern society!

At its core Marriage is a legal contract.
All the fluff and window dressing that the various religious factions add to it are just that, fluff and window dressing.

I know of no place in the USA where a church HAS to marry a particular couple.
In fact, I know of many churches who routinely refuse to marry certain couples because they fail to meet some requirement that that particular church puts on marriage eligibility. Yet three or four blocks away, there is a church that does not have that requirement.
So much for this alleged "Sanctity of Marriage"

 

[Moey]

Then why the big fuss?

 

[madhatter85]

because Gay people want to be like non-Gay people and non-Gay people don't want Gay people to be like Non-Gay people. This is just another "Gay" thread.

 

[sandandfoam]

because Gay people want to be like non-Gay people and non-Gay people don't want Gay people to be like Non-Gay people. This is just another "Gay" thread.

Gay people have no more choice in their sexual orientation than you do. Their sexual orientation is as natural as yours. They don't want to be like non-gay people, they are like non-gay people, i.e. people.
It's not right to be so dismissive.

 

[McBell]

Then why the big fuss?

Because same sex couples want to have the same rights and privileges as heterosexual couples.

because Gay people want to be like non-Gay people and non-Gay people don't want Gay people to be like Non-Gay people. This is just another "Gay" thread.

Wow.
Do you honestly believe this or are you merely trolling?
If you honestly believe it then you are either ignorant of the issues (willingly or otherwise not with standing), grasping at straws, or stubbornly ignoring the facts of the matter.

Just because you would prefer to think that religion has some sort of monopoly on marriage, an idea that is easily shown to be mere wishful thinking, does not make it so.
Your attachment to all the fluff and window dressing is admirable, even if it is misplaced.

 

[England my lionheart]

I think its totally wrong for gays to marry unless it is a civil one,i know and work with gays male and female but i do not think it is ok to be gay full stop from my point of view