Homosexuality and Religion

[Tau]

I think it's something like this, FH: Most cultures/tribes/religions have a set of taboos, or ritual purity rules. These usually involve food and sex, and sometimes clothing, washing and so forth. Judaism, being essentially an ancient tribal religion, has a lot of these, many of them listed in Leviticus. Many Christian sects seem to have inherited this set of sexual purity taboos, while rejecting the food-based ones. I have no idea why; it seems quite arbitrary to me. These taboos are deeply and sub-consciously ingrained in our society, as any good taboo should be. I don't think most Christians are even aware that's what it is, rather conceptualizing it as a moral issue, which obviously it isn't. That is, it has nothing to do with honesty, compassion, or other fundamental moral or ethical questions. It's just a remnant of an ancient purity tradition. That's what people mean when they say things like homosexuality is a sin, or unnatural, or even immoral. It's kind of like having sex with your sister or cannibalism--on that level. So it doesn't help much to point out that there's nothing immoral about it; it's operating on a deeper, more subconscious level than that.

100% correct.

Discussion ended.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

oh, so you're what we would call a strict interpreter of things. If it doesn't expressly say it, then you can do it. If you were in my class I would have to specifically tell you not to hit someone in the face, because my rule of respect one another doesn't really tell you you can't do that. I see.

What about what it expressly says, then?

- "[W]hy should my freedom be judged by another's conscience?" (1 Cor 10:29)
- "Accept him whose faith is weak, without passing judgment on disputable matters." (Rom 14:1)
- "[L]ove is the fulfillment of the law." (Rom 13:10)
- "Everything is permissible" (1 Cor 10:23)

 

[wednesday]

Why argue over something so stupid? Feelings are feelings, they won't go away because an ancient book says it's a sin.
Homosexuals will feel what they feel because they can't change it, and rightly so. They're being themselves, not what "their god" wants them to be. Im not a homosexual nor a religious person, but i feel it is wrong to deny people to express their feelings just because your book doesn't agree with it.
The Catholic Churches plee to halt homosexual marriage will fall on deaf ears, the battle is lost.

 

[waikru]

Those that continue to sin are the only ones who have lost the battle.

 

[Magic Man]

Those that continue to sin are the only ones who have lost the battle.

Then I feel sorry for all of the religious people sinning against homosexuals by oppressing them.

 

[Tau]

Then I feel sorry for all of the religious people sinning against homosexuals by oppressing them.

Yup, God will judge their judgement.

I call it karma personally...

 

[rheff78]

Then I feel sorry for all of the religious people sinning against homosexuals by oppressing them.

What do you consider sinning against them? Besides the obvious of course, beating them up, making fun of them, etc.. I guess what I'm asking is saying they should not get married or have children sinning against them in your mind? I'm just wondering.

 

[Magic Man]

What do you consider sinning against them? Besides the obvious of course, beating them up, making fun of them, etc.. I guess what I'm asking is saying they should not get married or have children sinning against them in your mind? I'm just wondering.

I don't really believe in sinning, considering I don't believe in Christianity. It was a response to someone else implying that homosexuals are sinning.

I would say that not letting them get married or have children would be sinning if I believed in such a thing. It is wrong to do, and only hurts lives, so I find it hypocritical when Christians don't consider it a sin against homosexuals.

 

[Autodidact]

What do you consider sinning against them? Besides the obvious of course, beating them up, making fun of them, etc.. I guess what I'm asking is saying they should not get married or have children sinning against them in your mind? I'm just wondering.

I don't really find the concept of sin as useful moral idea. I do think advocating what you're describing is immoral.
Are you saying that I shouldn't have children? Why on earth?
But if you do find the idea of sin important, please try to remember that lesbianism isn't one, but remarriage after divorce is. And eating a BLT well may be.

 

[fantome profane]

What do you consider sinning against them? Besides the obvious of course, beating them up, making fun of them, etc.. I guess what I'm asking is saying they should not get married or have children sinning against them in your mind? I'm just wondering.

It is really not that hard to understand. If someone said something against your marriage or against your ability to raise children you would consider it rude and offensive. If someone took actions that would interfere with your marriage or tried to prevent you from having children you would consider that an attack.

Am I wrong in saying this? Is there something else you don’t understand?

 

[rheff78]

I wasn't debating anything. I was just wondering what you all considered to be sinful about some people's attitudes towards gays.

 

[rheff78]

Like, I don't think my attitude toward gay marriage is sinful. I do consider gay bashing and such as sinful. I was just trying to route out some issues I was trying to understand.

 

[fantome profane]

Like, I don't think my attitude toward gay marriage is sinful. I do consider gay bashing and such as sinful. I was just trying to route out some issues I was trying to understand.

Did you get the answer to your question? Do you understand now?

 

[rheff78]

I understand. Just a question I had.

 

[Autodidact]

Like, I don't think my attitude toward gay marriage is sinful. I do consider gay bashing and such as sinful. I was just trying to route out some issues I was trying to understand.

Some people have a hard time doing unto others as they would be done to. It's a good exercise, though. How would you feel if I said that (due to your reliance on irrational superstitution) you should not be allowed to marry or have children?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I wasn't debating anything. I was just wondering what you all considered to be sinful about some people's attitudes towards gays.

From what I can gather from reading the Bible, any act that does not come out of love could be considered sinful.

 

[rheff78]

Some people have a hard time doing unto others as they would be done to. It's a good exercise, though. How would you feel if I said that (due to your reliance on irrational superstitution) you should not be allowed to marry or have children?

Well, you would have to convince me that my "superstition" was irrational first.

 

[Autodidact]

Well, you would have to convince me that my "superstition" was irrational first.

No, I only need to convince those in power--the government. But that's not my question. The question is, how do you feel about other people preventing or trying to prevent you from marrying and having children? How does that idea make you feel? Do you feel loved? Respected? A part of the human community?

 

[crystalonyx]

I do consider gay bashing and such as sinful. .

Then you are unlike literally millions of CHristians in the U.S.

 

[painted wolf]

your "superstition" says its bad.. Mine says it ok, even good for the balance of things.

Its nice that there is freedom of religion in this nation. Your religion doesn't have to engage in gay unions while mine will be free to do so.

We can both be happy.

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