Mike182
Flaming Queer
well, i don't believe in sin, but i wouldn't say that it is wrong for people to say those things.
i do however think it is wrong for people to act on their feelings in this situation. love the believer, hate the belief
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Homosexuality and Religion
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well, i don't believe in sin, but i wouldn't say that it is wrong for people to say those things.
i do however think it is wrong for people to act on their feelings in this situation. love the believer, hate the belief
lilithu
The Devil's Advocate
Many UUs don't like the word sin. But others of us find the concept useful in naming that which keeps us from the Beloved Community. For us, we define sin as anything that demeans the other person, makes them "less," puts up a barrier between you and them, makes them "Other." There is the interconnected web of existence of which we all are a part, and if you try to break the connection, that is sin.
To insist that same-sex couples can't have the same right to have their love and commitment recognized and accepted, is to say that they are "Other," and that in our book is a sin.
lilithu
The Devil's Advocate
Millions? Literally millions? (Not allegorically millions, right?) Reference please. Or are we to be satisfied with replacing the bashing of one group with the bashing of another group?
McBell
Unbound
It is interesting when you stop and really think about what sin really is.
Seems to me that sin is going against the will/wishes/commands/etc. of your chosen deity.
This being the case, if your deity allows same sex relations and you are in a same sex relation, then you are not sinning.
Problem is when certain people start thinking that their particular deity is the one and only deity.
Seems to me that sin is going against the will/wishes/commands/etc. of your chosen deity.
This being the case, if your deity allows same sex relations and you are in a same sex relation, then you are not sinning.
Problem is when certain people start thinking that their particular deity is the one and only deity.
crystalonyx
Well-Known Member
Live in the real world, yes, literally millions, the Southern Baptists are one of the largest denomnations in the U.S., and they are gay bashers. And there are others. Sorry.
Perhaps you need to define what you mean by Gay bashers in this context.
crystalonyx
Well-Known Member
I think I'll go with wiki, gay bashing can be a number of things, and certain denominations definitely do some of these things.
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Gay bashing is an expression used to designate verbal confrontation with, denigration of, or physical violence against people thought to be lesbian, gay, bisexual, or transgendered (LGBT) because of their apparent sexual orientation or gender identity. Similar terms such as "lesbian bashing" or "queer bashing" may also be formed. A "bashing" may be a specific incident, or one could also use the verb "to bash" e.g. "I was gay bashed." As there is no foolproof way to detect a person's sexual orientation, people sometimes fall victim even if they are not LGBT, should they be perceived to conform to the relevant stereotypes.
A verbal gay bashing might take place on any street corner and use sexual slurs, expletives, intimidation, or threats of violence -— or, it might take place in a political forum and include one or more common anti-gay slogans. Passionate invective fits more closely into the general idea of gay bashing than does a calm, intellectual justification for anti-LGBT attitudes or policies. However, some people would include any expression of anti-LGBT sentiment in one or another category of "bashing".
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Gay bashing is an expression used to designate verbal confrontation with, denigration of, or physical violence against people thought to be lesbian, gay, bisexual, or transgendered (LGBT) because of their apparent sexual orientation or gender identity. Similar terms such as "lesbian bashing" or "queer bashing" may also be formed. A "bashing" may be a specific incident, or one could also use the verb "to bash" e.g. "I was gay bashed." As there is no foolproof way to detect a person's sexual orientation, people sometimes fall victim even if they are not LGBT, should they be perceived to conform to the relevant stereotypes.
A verbal gay bashing might take place on any street corner and use sexual slurs, expletives, intimidation, or threats of violence -— or, it might take place in a political forum and include one or more common anti-gay slogans. Passionate invective fits more closely into the general idea of gay bashing than does a calm, intellectual justification for anti-LGBT attitudes or policies. However, some people would include any expression of anti-LGBT sentiment in one or another category of "bashing".
lilithu
The Devil's Advocate
And I think I'll go with what rheff meant when he used the term.
Oh I see, now it's entire denominations that gay bash, not just individual people.... :sarcastic
That definition is so broad as to be useless.
rheff78
I'm your huckleberry.
Thank you lilithu. Exaclty. I'm sick and tired of people saying I'm gay bashing because I don't support homosexuality as a life-style choice. That doesn't mean I am going to go out and beat up a gay man or woman just for the h*** of it. Not supporting something is not the same as bashing. I don't support the democrats or their life-style choices, does that mean I'm a Democrat Basher? Since when did not supporting something become synonomous with hate?
I agree that not supporting homosexuality is not the same as literally physically attacking someone. And I do believe that cystalonyx is wrong to categorize millions of Christians as gay bashers.
On the other hand, although I would not chose to use the term gay bashers I would point out that when people vote for propositions or for politicians that wish to limit rights and freedoms based on sexual orientation or gender what they are doing is an active expression of hatred that does cause actual harm.
DallasApple
Depends Upon My Mood..
Then check your log..Make sure no log is hanging out your OWN eyeball..Like you may have a giant Live Oak tree swinging out of both your eye balls...So check on that..before you get a pair of twwezers and start plucking out a splinter in someone elses eye....Especially if you 'arent them'...
Blessings
Dallas
rheff78
I'm your huckleberry.
DallasApple
Depends Upon My Mood..
huh?:help: SOrry, I seem to be totally lost.
You dont know about the plank and the splinter?
Blessings
Dallas
Not quite. Legalizing same-sex marriage harms nobody.
Complaining about the "harm" of voting for same-sex marriage while ignoring the harm of voting against it is directly analogous to the speck and beam that Jesus preaches about in the Gospels.huh?
DallasApple
Depends Upon My Mood..
Blessings
Dallas
Autodidact
Intentionally Blank
No, but apparently you're going to try to prevent us from marrying and having children. How would you like it if I did that to you?
Alceste
Vagabond
NOBODY supports homosexuality as a "life-style choice". Everyone who has missed the bulletin that sexual orientation is not a "choice" and there is no such thing as a homosexual "lifestyle" is against it. All the rest of us support equal rights for everybody regardless of their innate sexual orientation.
I think saying you personally are uncomfortable with the idea of two moms raising a child is not gay-bashing, but equating same sex love with bestiality definitely crosses the "gay-bashing" line. So maybe when people say you are a "gay-basher" they are referring to the latter category of your statements and not the former.