Homosexuality and religious.

[Sheldon]

And for the gazzillionth time, gay people cannot and do not produce children by engaging in sex acts with each other.
Try again.

Did I claim that? Why not take a bit of time and try and understand what's being said for once.

 

[Trailblazer]

Why? Give us facts and a coherent explanation of the facts as to why you believe homosexuality is immoral.

Because God says so, and that is the only reason we need.

Now give us facts and a coherent explanation of the facts as to why you believe homosexuality is moral. Is it because you and people who think like you say so?

 

[dybmh]

Homosexual sex serves no purpose except for the physical pleasure of those who engage in it.

"serves no purpose" is an exaggeration. Sex releases oxytocin. Oxtocin can increase emotional attachment and bonding. Emotional attachment and bonding forms a stable relationship. Stable relationships support a stable society. Sex isn't the only way to release oxytocin, but to deny that homosexual intercourse has a purpose other than pleasure is wrong.

 

[We Never Know]

christ on a bike...it's like herding cats.

Wow! Yes straight people have gay children. For the last 100(more) years gay people for fear of their homosexuality led straight lives and had kids. They are more open now days, sticking to gay relationships and not having children and per evolution (many many generation's) if there is gene, the gene will eventually leave the gene pool per evolution due to lack of their offspring.

 

[Trailblazer]

Bahai's have called them evil, immoral sexual aberrations, that should be purged

No Baha'is ever called them that.

 

[Trailblazer]

Yes you have.

No, never.

 

[We Never Know]

Well, there's at least 100,000 years of human existence, so really, wouldn't one suppose there's been ample time for all those nasty gay genes to be extinct?

Unless, oh, whoops -- wait, evolution happens at the group level, too (families do tend to share the same genes, as you might perhaps guess) and perhaps the genes stick around because a man with a gay brother has kids who have an uncle who may not want to go off to the hunt, or the raid on the neighbouring tribe, and so stays home and protects his nephews and nieces that they might just live long enough to pass on their father's genes.

Why would there be? Up until recently many gays publically lived a straight life, being married to a female and having kids for fear of their homosexuality to be publicly known. They hid it and lived that secretly. Do you deny that?

 

[We Never Know]

Well, there's at least 100,000 years of human existence, so really, wouldn't one suppose there's been ample time for all those nasty gay genes to be extinct?

Unless, oh, whoops -- wait, evolution happens at the group level, too (families do tend to share the same genes, as you might perhaps guess) and perhaps the genes stick around because a man with a gay brother has kids who have an uncle who may not want to go off to the hunt, or the raid on the neighbouring tribe, and so stays home and protects his nephews and nieces that they might just live long enough to pass on their father's genes.

"because a man with a gay brother has kids"

Maybe he didn't get the gay gene like his brother, if there even is a gay gene.

 

[Trailblazer]

I'm sorry, but I disagree. The opinions expressed are not preconceived, they're based on the Baha'i writings. These writings are also the reasons for the opinions. If it's reasoned and not preconceived, it can't be prejudice.

To be fair, the same prohibitions against homosexual sex exist in the Bible and the Qur'an.
Why single out the Baha'i Faith?

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Why would there be? Up until recently many gays publically lived a straight life, being married to a female and having kids for fear of their homosexuality to be publicly known. They hid it and lived that secretly. Do you deny that?

I just wish one -- ONE -- member writing in the forum would just be honest for half a moment and say "I hate Queers," and get it out of their system.

The endless chipping away at allowing another person just to live with a little dignity, does it give you all pleasure? Does it make you feel much better about yourselves, because you're "normal?"

C'mon, RFers, for just one second, MAN UP and say it.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

"because a man with a gay brother has kids"

Maybe he didn't get the gay gene like his brother, if there even is a gay gene.

Enough of you, thank you.

Wow! Yes straight people have gay children. For the last 100(more) years gay people for fear of their homosexuality led straight lives and had kids. They are more open now days, sticking to gay relationships and not having children and per evolution (many many generation's) if there is gene, the gene will eventually leave the gene pool per evolution due to lack of their offspring.

Do you really think so? Ever hear of turkey basters?

 

[Vinayaka]

"serves no purpose" is an exaggeration. Sex releases oxytocin. Oxtocin can increase emotional attachment and bonding. Emotional attachment and bonding forms a stable relationship. Stable relationships support a stable society. Sex isn't the only way to release oxytocin, but to deny that homosexual intercourse has a purpose other than pleasure is wrong.

It also provides an excellent example of the diversity that is mankind on this planet. By demonstrating an example, it ought to lead to more respect for said diversity, but sadly it doesn't.

 

[We Never Know]

I just wish one -- ONE -- member writing in the forum would just be honest for half a moment and say "I hate Queers," and get it out of their system.

The endless chipping away at allowing another person just to live with a little dignity, does it give you all pleasure? Does it make you feel much better about yourselves, because you're "normal?"

C'mon, RFers, for just one second, MAN UP and say it.

Why should we lie? I don't hate gay people.

But why you're at it. Why don't you say..

"I just wish one -- ONE -- member writing in the forum would just be honest for half a moment and say "I hate religious people," and get it out of their system.

Instead of the endless chipping away and not allowing another person just to live with their faith. Does it give you all pleasure? Does it make you feel much better about yourselves, because you "have no faith"

C'mon, RFers, for just one second, MAN UP and say it.

 

[Vinayaka]

To be fair, the same prohibitions against homosexual sex exist in the Bible and the Qur'an.
Why single out the Baha'i Faith?

The people here who are speaking out against homophobia maintain that they would do just that, The problem is there are fewer Muslims and Christians here defending it. To summarize, most of us aren't anti-Baha'i, we're anti-homophobia.

 

[Trailblazer]

All gay Baha'i are required to be celibate per the law. That targets a class of people.

All people who drink alcohol are required to stop drinking per the law. That targets a class of people, people who drink alcohol.

What about children born into Baha'i families? They don't choose.

Children of Baha'i families are not born as Baha'is, they have to choose. Children cannot choose to be Baha'is until they are 15 years old, which is considered the age of reason.

 

[We Never Know]

Enough of you, thank you.

Do you really think so? Ever hear of turkey basters?

When a gene is not being passed on as much as it once was, and over time it keeps getting passed on even less.... What does evolution predict will happen to that gene?

 

[Trailblazer]

when firstly gay people can and do procreate

procreate: (of people or animals) produce young; reproduce.
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=procreate+means

Without obfuscating please tell me how gay people can procreate by having sex together.

 

[Trailblazer]

and secondly straight people have gay children

Straight people have children who become gay. They are not born gay.

 

[dybmh]

To be fair, the same prohibitions against homosexual sex exist in the Bible and the Qur'an.
Why single out the Baha'i Faith?

Because Baha'i in this thread are consistently claiming that homosexuality is immoral because God said so.

The verse from Leviticus was introduced, and I provided the reasons that some Jews use to negate it. Had I supported the verse, I would probably be receiving the same backlash.

The Qur'an was also brought up, but since there aren't any Muslims here supporting it, they aren't being critisized.

 

[Trailblazer]

Don't like gay sex? Then don't do it.

Don't like religion, then don't do it.