Just maybe it was poor advice.
Time will tell.
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Just maybe it was poor advice.
I think time has already told us, or at least hinted at the final outcome, which is a dying out of the Baha'i faith. It has serious problems, not the least of which is to attract youth within the aging demographic. Kids are just too smart to go with homophobia and other out of date ideas. Within 20 years, many centers will have to close, or sell off properties to other groups. But hey, that's life for a lot of religions. Baha'is aren't alone in this by any means.Time will tell.
Why do you keep asking the same question over and over again? Are you trying to suggest that producing a child is a mandatory goal of every possible sexual act? No exceptions? And if it can't be done (for example by an infertile partner or couple -- like the elderly) it must not be undertaken at all?How can homosexual people produce children by having sex with each other?
Can you prove we don't have free will?Free will is not a fact since it cannot be proven that we have free will.
But if you are willing, please clarify for me: because your son has a same-sex partner, you would not welcome him into the Baha'i community? Whether you love them or not, would you welcome them into the faith as partners?My son has a partner. It has nothing to do with me, I support my son and his partner and Love them as I love all.
Have you considered anything a Baha'i has offerred in this topic?
Did you read this link, this is a good overall summary, but not an exhaustive list that someone who wishes to be a Baha'i can consider.
The Baha’i Teachings and Homosexuality
Regards Tony
But if you are willing, please clarify for me: because your son has a same-sex partner, you would not welcome him into the Baha'i community? Whether you love them or not, would you welcome them into the faith as partners?
But we're talking about people that are sexually attracted to people of the same gender and do want to have sex with them. I'm sure sometimes it's all about love, but lots of the time it's about desire. What is wrong with that? And sometimes a deep, long-lasting love develops long after they have already been having sex with each other. And once they grow to love each other, why would they stop having sex? Unless, they are Baha'is or some other religion that forbids homosexuality, and they want to obey the laws of that religion.It’s a sexual activity. You can love another person of the same sex without having sex with them. So it’s all about the sex.
So, gay Baha'is are do things that are immoral. Then they should be stopped from doing that? Right? And how are Baha'is helping them overcome their immoral behavior? Therapy? A sex change? Celibacy? Since the Divine Physican knows the cure for all the worlds ailments, what does he recommend and has it been successful in treating the "ailment" of homosexuality?I believe that view is fallacious and that Baha’u’llah’s view that homosexuality is immoral is correct.
or maybe it was good advice.Just maybe it was poor advice.
No, of course I am not suggesting that producing a child is a mandatory goal of every possible sexual act. There are many other reasons why people have sex. That is only one reason, and not the reason why most sex is engaged in.Why do you keep asking the same question over and over again? Are you trying to suggest that producing a child is a mandatory goal of every possible sexual act? No exceptions? And if it can't be done (for example by an infertile partner or couple -- like the elderly) it must not be undertaken at all?
All a person would have to do is not admit they are gay and only have gay sex in private. That's what all the Baha'i adulterers do. But I don't think gays believe their behavior is immoral. So, they don't think that there is any reason to hide it.Do you think a gay Baha'i couple would be able to attend Baha'i events together? Or is that flagrantly flaunting their sexuality?
ok thank you
A most interesting question -- but unfortunately, it brings up the question of what the word "law" actually means. And it requires that we all face up to the question of what we consider "right and wrong," and we deal with the answers.They are always welcome in the Baha'i community to attend functions and devotionals and community activities.
They can not be part of the Administrative Order.
A question I must ask. Are all the laws we are required to live by, by defualt discrimination?
Regards Tony
I'll go with the majority. Of all folks exposed to this faith, few have signed the card. The 'entry by troops' simply didn't happen, nor is it about to happen.or maybe it was good advice.
Then the trajectory of your posts in this thread is so deeply contradictory as to be incomprehensible.No, of course I am not suggesting that producing a child is a mandatory goal of every possible sexual act. There are many other reasons why people have sex. That is only one reason, and not the reason why most sex is engaged in.
To be clear, I believe we have free will but I cannot prove we have free will any more than I can prove that we do not have free will.Can you prove we don't have free will?
But more importantly, let me ask you this: if somebody does something good and laudatory, or very bad and condemnatory, does it FEEL to you as if they could not have done otherwise, and therefore deserve neither praise nor punishment?
Actually, let me bring it a little closer to home -- when you make a good decision and do a very, very good thing, do you think that you deserve no credit for it? At work, do you feel that an extra effort to contribute should not qualify you for a raise, or a company expression of gratitude, because you really feel as if you don't have free will?
But such behaviour is deeply unauthentic. Living a "pretend life" seems so deeply antithetical to the claimed "spiritual" motives of so many religious people must be wrong, must it not?All a person would have to do is not admit they are gay and only have gay sex in private. That's what all the Baha'i adulterers do. But I don't think gays believe their behavior is immoral. So, they don't think that there is any reason to hide it.
But you see -- you said it yourself -- "they could have done otherwise." They were not trapped by some mechanical universe -- they could choose. You accept, whether you can prove it or not, that you have free will.To be clear, I believe we have free will but I cannot prove we have free will any more than I can prove that we do not have free will.
If somebody does something good and laudatory, or very bad and condemnatory, I think that they could have done otherwise, so I think they deserve either praise or punishment.
If a a person makes a good decision and does a very, very good thing, I think that person deserves credit for it. At work, an extra effort to contribute should qualify a person for a raise or a company expression of gratitude, because that person had the free will and chose to do that very good thing.
I will go with the minority.I'll go with the majority. Of all folks exposed to this faith, few have signed the card. The 'entry by troops' simply didn't happen, nor is it about to happen.
No, the trajectory was simply misunderstood.Then the trajectory of your posts in this thread is so deeply contradictory as to be incomprehensible.
That's right. I accept and believe we have free will.You accept, whether you can prove it or not, that you have free will.