Homosexuality and religious.

[dybmh]

I am having trouble finding the source of the verbatim quote (it'll be in my history somewhere, but there's a lot in there!) , but this page has all the elements it contains, plus others like calling it "an affliction", "against nature", etc. The quote sounds like a paraphrase of a few different writings.
Homosexuality

Thank you, I'm reading it now

 

[KWED]

Thank you

@KWED, the ball is in your court to provide a source text for the quote you are using.

@Trailblazer has provided the "shameful sexual aberration" quote.
The link I provided contains a quote that such evils should be purged from the world.
Even if I can't find the reference for the specific wording I used, we have clear evidence that all the various elements (immoral, evil, shameful sexual aberration, purged from the world) exist in Bahai texts.
Although I fully expect that all those references will be ignored and the other one latched upon as "evidence" that Bahaism doesn't say the things it demonstrably says.

 

[KWED]

drugs arent my cup of tea but I dont judge people that engage in them.

Don't see the relevance.
A better analogy would be "Drug addiction is a vile weakness of character - but I'm not having a go at drug addicts".

 

[KWED]

Interesting how it's fashionable in divorced wracked societies to claim marriage is not natural.

Marriage is demonstrably not natural.
No other species exhibit it. Not all human or human societies do or have done over history. It is a relatively modern social construct. Although I don't feel you have the capacity to process that.

Last time I looked it's quite natural in simpler societies. Try telling some bride that marriage is 'not natural' and kids can shuffle from one parent to the other - is that 'natural' too?

You seem to have a poor understanding of human history and of other animal behaviour.
The oldest recorded marriage was around 4500 years ago. Written history goes back some 1000 years before that. Humans have been around for several hundred thousand years.
No other species gets married.
It is not "natural" in the sense that it is widely observed over time and place and species.

 

[Jimmy]

Don't see the relevance.
A better analogy would be "Drug addiction is a vile weakness of character - but I'm not having a go at drug addicts".

I guess I like what I like.

 

[ppp]

judging a situation and judging a person are seperate. ie. homosexuality and someone whos gay.

When you call beging gay "shameful" you are definitely judging the person.

 

[KWED]

Bahaullah's teachings are for whoever who chooses to follow them, but it is not for anyone to force them on others.

I asked why god has laws against homosexuality.
I didn't ask if being a Bahai is compulsory (although presumably Bahai laws are compulsory for Bahais).

 

[Jimmy]

When you call beging gay "shameful" you are definitely judging the person.

semantics

 

[KWED]

I guess I like what I like.

What have your likes got to do with anything?

 

[Jimmy]

When you call beging gay "shameful" you are definitely judging the person.

maybe i should say its wrong for me so know one gets offended

 

[KWED]

I did not know to whom @Seeker of White Light was referring. The one thing I can say, however, is that "people's feelings are real." If @Seeker of White Light perceived that you were making such an assumption, then for him, that perception becomes a reality. The way to amend that is to simply clarify what you meant, directly to him.

I don't think @Seeker of White Light is interested in any clarifications.

 

[ppp]

semantics

Reality. Learn the difference.

 

[Jimmy]

What have your likes got to do with anything?

if i say i dont like lifting weights am I "judging" lifting weights or judging the weight lifter?

-semantics

 

[KWED]

Because I believe that people who are committed to each other should get married before they have sex.

Why?
Surely a genuine and sincere love and desire for a mutually respectful and fulfilling relationship is more important than a piece of paper.
Some people get married in order to obtain a work permit, but you respect them more than people in a lifelong, monogamous, devoted, loving relationship?
You don't have a clue, do you?

 

[KWED]

if i say i dont like lifting weights am I "judging" lifting weights or judging the weight lifter?

-semantics

Why would you "not like" homosexuality? You aren't gay so it has literally zero impact on your life. That's like saying you don't like black skin, but you're not racist.

 

[Jimmy]

Why would you "not like" homosexuality? You aren't gay so it has literally zero impact on your life. That's like saying you don't like black skin, but you're not racist.

You didn't answer my question. Why would I "not like" lifting weights? So I have to like all things that have no impact on my life?

 

[KWED]

@KWED it is incumbent on you to provide a specific citation or admit that you were only paraphrasing from memory if you are truthful.

In my opinion.

It was a quote I saw somewhere a while ago, but I can now only find the composite elements in separate quotes.
So, while there may be doubt about that specific arrangements of the terms used, they are all used in authentic Bahai writings, as per the link I posted (it also includes other prejudicial terms like "affliction" and "against nature"). It is possible that the original was a paraphrasing of Bahai teachings.

 

[KWED]

You didn't answer my question. Why would I "not like" lifting weights? So I have to like all things that have no impact on my life?

I did answer, you just didn't understand it.
If you "don't like" something, you are taking an active, negative position to it.
Your problem here seems to be thinking that the activity of "lifting weights" is comparable to "being homosexual" or "being black".
Lifting weights is a choice. Being black is not.

 

[KWED]

It is both forbidden and according to my understanding to be issued a fine by future Baha'i House of Justice.

Bahai homosexuals can also be disenfranchised for being behaving too homosexually.

 

[KWED]

Yes we all know that God does not want the Jews to do homosexual acts and similarly with Christians.

So, you admit that god is homophobic but if his followers are homophobic they are going against god?
Yeah, that makes sense.