Homosexuality and religious.

[Truthseeker]

So there's no way to judge or tell within the Bahai religion if someone engages in homosexual actions (male or female)? I mean it's ok or permitted without restriction, censure, or restraint?

I can understand your confusion. Homosexual acts are forbidden, but in the Book of Laws of Baha'u'llah there is no prescribed penalty for such. It is up to the Universal House of Justice to decide what that is sometime in future. Not only that, but what is decided by the Universal House of Justice can be changed again later on. That is the way the Baha'i Faith adjusts to conditions changing over time.

 

[ppp]

What is right about that?

Doesn't matter. One does not have to justify one's actions unless those actions are immoral.

You say there is something 'not quote right' about people having a desire for sex and then acting on that desire. If it is consensual and not violating any other partnership agreements, then what is wrong with having sex for fun?

 

[Trailblazer]

I noticed you didn't cite a passage where the world was to be purged of homosexuals.

That is because there is no such passage.

 

[Brian2]

He couldn't get people to obey his moral code even with the threat of being stoned to death. There are probably not many other sins that are broken as much as the sexual sins. Then, if we add in just thinking about it is like committing it, then it might be the number most often broken law of God.

Yes sexual sins pretty common I would say, even by those who try to keep them.
I used to have trouble with lust and still do to a lesser extent. God does work in Christians to change them to be more like Jesus and they are forgiven all through this process even though at times it seems like, to the particular Christian, that they cannot be forgiven after so much sinning.

 

[Trailblazer]

Doesn't matter. One does not have to justify one's actions unless those actions are immoral.

That opens up a whole can of worms concerning what is moral or immoral.

You say there is something 'not quote right' about people having a desire for sex and then acting on that desire. If it is consensual and not violating any other partnership agreements, then what is wrong with having sex for fun?

I was being facetious and turning the tables on what @CG Didymus said.
I do not see anything wrong with having sex for fun, but I do not believe in having sex out of wedlock. I never believed that was right, even before I became a Baha'i. It did not come from religion because I was not raised in a religious home.

 

[ppp]

That is because there is no such passage.

Seven days from now I will send rain on the earth for forty days and forty nights, and I will wipe from the face of the earth every living creature I have made."

 

[Trailblazer]

I am not as opposed to unmarried relationships as some Christians and commitment is more important that a marriage certificate imo.

So you are not opposed to sex out of wedlock? How can you justify that position given what the Bible says?

What does the Bible say about being intimate before marriage?

Likewise, all Biblical verses that condemn sexual immorality as being sinful also condemn sex before marriage. Sex before marriage is condemned and regarded as sinful (Check 1 Corinthians 5:1; 6:13, 18; 10:8; 2 Corinthians 12:21; Galatians 5:19; Acts 15:20; Ephesians 5:3; Colossians 3:5; 1 Thessalonians 4:3).Apr 5, 2021

What The Bible Says About Intimacy Before Marriage?

 

[Trailblazer]

Seven days from now I will send rain on the earth for forty days and forty nights, and I will wipe from the face of the earth every living creature I have made."

 

[ppp]

That opens up a whole can of worms concerning what is moral or immoral.

Surely that can was already opened by this threads existence.

I was being facetious and turning the tables on what @CG Didymus said.

Is turning the tables your new thing? You seem to be trying it a lot. Keep working at it.

I do not see anything wrong with having sex for fun, but I do not believe in having sex out of wedlock. I never believed that was right, even before I became a Baha'i. It did not come from religion because I was not raised in a religious home.

I was raised in a religious household and I never saw anything wrong with casual sex. Even though I was not particularly interested, I was well aware just because something that does not work for me, does not mean that is immoral.

 

[Brian2]

So you are not opposed to sex out of wedlock? How can you justify that position given what the Bible says?

What does the Bible say about being intimate before marriage?

Likewise, all Biblical verses that condemn sexual immorality as being sinful also condemn sex before marriage. Sex before marriage is condemned and regarded as sinful (Check 1 Corinthians 5:1; 6:13, 18; 10:8; 2 Corinthians 12:21; Galatians 5:19; Acts 15:20; Ephesians 5:3; Colossians 3:5; 1 Thessalonians 4:3).Apr 5, 2021

What The Bible Says About Intimacy Before Marriage?

I am opposed to sex outside a committed relationship. It is not a piece of paper that ensures that, esp these days.

 

[Truthseeker]

I am not as opposed to unmarried relationships as some Christians and commitment is more important that a marriage certificate imo.

Yes, that's true, but a marriage certificate indicates commitment. In our country, people don't have a certificate so it is easier to end the commitment if the relationship doesn't work out. A divorce can be messy.

 

[Brian2]

Yes, that's true, but a marriage certificate indicates commitment. In our country, people don't have a certificate so it is easier to end the commitment if the relationship doesn't work out. A divorce can be messy.

A legally binding contract can make justice easier to obtain no doubt when a divorce does happen.

 

[YoursTrue]

I can understand your confusion. Homosexual acts are forbidden, but in the Book of Laws of Baha'u'llah there is no prescribed penalty for such. It is up to the Universal House of Justice to decide what that is sometime in future. Not only that, but what is decided by the Universal House of Justice can be changed again later on. That is the way the Baha'i Faith adjusts to conditions changing over time.

OK, let me understand this, if possible, a little more. Adultery is not ok according to the Bahai religion?

 

[Trailblazer]

I was raised in a religious household and I never saw anything wrong with casual sex. Even though I was not particularly interested, I was well aware just because something that does not work for me, does not mean that is immoral.

I am not passing any moral judgments on anyone. To each his or her own.
I am only responsible for my own behavior and I go by what is in the Baha'i Writings.

 

[Trailblazer]

I am opposed to sex outside a committed relationship. It is not a piece of paper that ensures that, esp these days.

So goes "but the Bible says...."

 

[Trailblazer]

Is turning the tables your new thing? You seem to be trying it a lot. Keep working at it.

No, I only like doing it with CG because it's fun.

 

[loverofhumanity]

200 years ago, what laws of God would you follow? I would assume a Baha'i looking back in time would say the laws of Islam. So, how many wives did God allow then. Did those laws abrogate the laws of previous laws of God given to earlier manifestations? If so, then the world, to be truly following God should have obeyed those laws? And exactly how many wives does God allow now under the Baha'i laws?

Laws on marriage in Islam and the Baha’i Faith have made monogamy the best form of marriage which is conditional upon justice.

 

[loverofhumanity]

Why do so many theists try to justify their immoral behaviors by citing mindless objects and processes?

Judge: you think you were justified in electrocuting your neighbors.
You: Well nature electrocutes people too..
So yes!

Go read up on the naturalistic fallacy.

Just because nature can electrocute the neighbor kids does not mean that you are justified in electrocuting your neighbor.

I believe that Baha’u’llah was sent by God and what He teaches is best for us. Morality and immorality for me is defined by the God Who created us.

 

[loverofhumanity]

Why do so many theists try to justify their immoral behaviors by citing mindless objects and processes?

Judge: you think you were justified in electrocuting your neighbors.
You: Well nature electrocutes people too..
So yes!

Go read up on the naturalistic fallacy.

Just because nature can electrocute the neighbor kids does not mean that you are justified in electrocuting your neighbor.

I’ve always primarily cite God. That’s my main reason. God knows more than you or I so I defer to Him in situations like this and He is very clear in this regard.

 

[Truthseeker]

OK, let me understand this, if possible, a little more. Adultery is not ok according to the Bahai religion?

That's right. In the case of adultery, there is a fine in the Book of Laws, and the Universal House can't change that one. I probably confused you again.