it's unjust to require gay Baha'i men to be celibate
Just found an interesting quote.
“the Jewish people will become glorified to such an extent as to draw the jealousy of its enemies and the envy of its friends.” (Abdul-Baha)
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it's unjust to require gay Baha'i men to be celibate
Hetrosexuals are not required to be celibate, Homosexuals are required to be celibate. That's unequal treatment, therefore it's unjust.That only applies to Baha’is not others but Baha’i heterosexuals as well. But this is a personal matter of conscience between a person and God.
If i believed man's philosophy I might go along with the idea that homosexual behavior is ok.
As a Christian, i believe what the Bible says about this.
Christians are directed to respect everyone.
The "different" opinion IS homophobic, you can't decry homosexuality and claim you're not homophobic, that's absurd. You may want to believe you're not being homophobic, but you certainly are, as your religion clearly is.
Keep going...
Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me.
Look at that! Thank you!Just found an interesting quote.
“the Jewish people will become glorified to such an extent as to draw the jealousy of its enemies and the envy of its friends.” (Abdul-Baha)
Well that's clear as mud.
Maybe because your own eyes are what is full of mud...to see the truth each person has to wipe their own mud out of their eyes.
Its crystal clear to me. For now Baha'is don't involve themselves with partisan politics. In the very distant future, should a clear majority of the world's population become Baha'i, the world may choose a Baha'i system of government.
If you knew what you were talking about you wouldn’t say those things. It just shows your ignorance about what religion is all about.
What you are referring to is not what religion teaches
No, it is your problem, and also the problem of @KWED and because you do not know the meaning of the word homophobic.Then it's your problem. Pretending that the word has a different meaning won't make your problems go away.
It’s a beautiful religion that some oppose only because of ignorance,
You have a way of casting what we say in the worst possible light.
I will offer my wife and I have a son who has a male partner and we Love and support them both. Your posts are only insulting narrow minded bigotry.
It appears it is only you spouting this across RF.
I don't think they are comparing them. Imo I think they are just simply saying they are all bad, immoral, etc.
saying two or more things are bad isn't comparing them(unless one says equally bad).
It took it away yes, meaning in the past I was what could be seen as homophobic, the teaching both in Islam and Baha'i has removed those thoughts within me. It means I am no longer homophobic.
Its not my call to say Islam and Baha'i faith helped me get rid of homophobia?
I believe that homosexuality is a sexual aberration that is against nature
It is against God's Law because God considers homosexual behavior immoral. I do accept it and it makes sense to me, but I would accept it even it it made no sense to me.
Yes, I know what it means. KWED was optimistic, meaning he was hopeful that he was right
It may not be against our animal nature but it is against our spiritual nature, Imo.
My point was that it takes a man and a woman to create a child.
The words and phrases appear in several quotes but not together on any one quote. You are cherry picking from the quotes in order to deliberately misrepresent the Baha'i Faith.
Ask God, not me.
I meant that a man's sperm and a woman's egg are required to produce a child. It can be done remotely but that is not how God designed it to be done
to act like the beasts of the field is unworthy of the station of man.
calling people homophobes can hurt people.
I do not think homosexual behavior is a sign of inferiority
Baha'i homosexuals are treated differently than non-Baha'i homosexuals who are not subject to Baha'i Laws.
Saying that we consider them 'both bad' is not a comparison since nobody compared one to the other and said which is better or worse.
The Baha’is do not believe in the suppression of the sex impulse but in its regulation and control.'
Even that simplistic definition encompasses Baha'i beliefs. But more completely...No, it is your problem, and also the problem of @KWED and because you do not know the meaning of the word homophobic.
homophobic: having or showing a dislike of or prejudice against gay people.
homophobic means - Google Search
Homophobia can take many different forms, including negative attitudes and beliefs about, aversion to, or prejudice against bisexual, lesbian, and gay people. It’s often based in irrational fear and misunderstanding. Some people’s homophobia may be rooted in conservative religious beliefs. People may hold homophobic beliefs if they were taught them by parents and families.
But you do have a Baha'i prejudice and aversion. And even if you don't personally deep down agree with it, you do support it, and you do shill for it. Which is ultimately what matters.I don't have a dislike of or prejudice against gay people.
I don't care. You want to convince me of something, then you had better come with something with a better moral grounding than the author of Matthew. That do not measure up to my standards.What is the meaning of Matthew 7 1?
I do not know what I would think if I was not a Baha'i, because I never thought about homosexuality before I became a Baha'i in 1970.So the issue isn't Bahai laws, it is your own personal ideas of morality and decency then.
In which case, are you personally ok with homosexuality and homosexual sex and only support homophobia because you are told to. Or do you personally support homophobia, irrespective of Bahai laws.
IOW, if you were not a Bahai, would you still think homosexuality was an evil passion, shameful aberration, immoral, against nature, etc?
I never said that, not even once. In fact, I said the exact opposite.You claimed that Bahaism encourages giving up things that feel good.
There is a lot of mention of what those things are, anything that is against Baha'i Laws, but this pertains only to Baha'is.There was no mention of what those things had to be.
Only if you are a Baha'i. You are not a Baha'i, so why get in a huff about it?There you go. Unless you are married to someone of the opposite sex, you must suppress your sex impulses.
Because it undermines the institution of marriage and the family, the foundation upon which a stable society rests.Why is informed, consensual, adult sex between people in a stable, loving relationship "positively harmful to man and society"?
I never said that.So you claim that all non-Bahais exhibit nasty, antisocial, even damaging behavior?
So do you accept that calling people homophobes can harm them?So you accept that the homophobic language in Bahai teachings can harm people.
The reason why it is is because God says so. No arguments are necessary.They don't present any arguments as to why it is evil, immoral, shameful, etc, just that it is.