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Homosexuality and religious.

loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member
:tearsofjoy: So your beliefs are superior because you subjectively believe they come from a deity, it's not a new idea, but it never ceases to raise a laugh.

If only these infallible deities didn't have to rely on bigoted ignoramuses, they might communicate a morally cogent message that didn't contain the fingerprints of fallible evolved humans from the epoch the religious texts and message originated, even the ones plagiarised centuries later of course, just to lend them a little gravitas.

I think it very reasonable and rational that Baha’u’llah teaches the unity of mankind and peace between races, religions and nations in an age where leaders like Putin are threatening world war 3. Not to mention despotism in Syria, Iran, Yemen and Myanmar.

So we humans have created a really wonderful world haven’t we? It’s time we tried Baha’u’llah’s teachings and if they don’t work we can always have another world war.
 

CG Didymus

Veteran Member
We already in our Baha'i teachings have that God loves active homoexuals. We have a different idea of religion, but that's okay.
God loves homosexuals? In spite of thinking their behavior is wrong? The important part of what the Baha'i Faith believes about homosexuality is that it is wrong and that a gay person will be expected to change their behavior if they want to remain a Baha'i or become a Baha'i.
 

Sheldon

Veteran Member
Sheldon said:
:tearsofjoy: So your beliefs are superior because you subjectively believe they come from a deity, it's not a new idea, but it never ceases to raise a laugh.

If only these infallible deities didn't have to rely on bigoted ignoramuses, they might communicate a morally cogent message that didn't contain the fingerprints of fallible evolved humans from the epoch the religious texts and message originated, even the ones plagiarised centuries later of course, just to lend them a little gravitas.
I think it very reasonable and rational that Baha’u’llah teaches the unity of mankind and peace between races, religions and nations in an age where leaders like Putin are threatening world war 3. Not to mention despotism in Syria, Iran, Yemen and Myanmar.

So we humans have created a really wonderful world haven’t we? It’s time we tried Baha’u’llah’s teachings and if they don’t work we can always have another world war.

I prefer black grapes to green, since we seem to be introducing irrelevant non sequiturs.
 

dybmh

דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
I said: The opinions expressed that gay people are moral or not an aberration are just that, merely opinions, unsupported by any objective evidence, and relying solely on personal opinions.

What is nasty about stating that opinions are only opinions?
Isn't it proper and polite to assume someone is moral until they show otherwise? Innocent till proven guilty?
 

CG Didymus

Veteran Member
I would suggest if one wants to be a Baha'i, they would find out about what God has made law in this age, then choose if they are able to implement them into their lifestyle.

A key here is, that our willingness to make changes to practice that law, also reflects our spiritual acceptance.

Regards Tony
A Baha'i adulterer isn't not going to be as easily known. Gays came out and asked the world to deal with it. Watch the video that is linked in Vinayaka's post #1518. It shows that the Baha'i Faith doesn't want to deal with them.
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
It's well worth watching for Baha'is. The rest of us kind of suspect that there is something wrong with what Baha'is say and do. Then he said that he and other gay Baha'is wrote to the NSA , but they never heard back? I think the problem is that Baha'is have nowhere else to go with this. They are committed to obeying the rules and the rules and unchangeable. Gays will not be accepted if they keep living their gay lifestyle.
I can't see Bahai's watching it. The one fellow who did watch it said it wasted 22 minutes of his time. I can't see it changing a single thing, sadly. In the meantime, I feel for anyone born gay in any homophobic faith. Gotta be tough. I can certainly understand gay activism, and there have been changes over the years in some liberal Christian churches. There was a huge schism over it many years back in one of the largest Christian churches in Canada, the United Church of Canada. Many left, and many were saying, 'Finally!' I'm glad for this fellow he found a home in Buddhism. Did you see the other video I posted, which is a newer attempt at basically the same thing ... trying to change the system from the inside out.
I think I told you about my dentist, a fundamentalist with a gay son. He chose his son, thank goodness.
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
Thanks, for bringing it up. Otherwise, I might not have gone back and watched. Well worth the twenty-two minutes.
You're welcome. This thread goes very fast, with so many participants. I've missed at least half of it myself, but I no longer have much of an interest. I'm more concerned about just emotionally supporting gays and their battles.
 

TransmutingSoul

One Planet, One People, Please!
Premium Member
Isn't it proper and polite to assume someone is moral until they show otherwise? Innocent till proven guilty?

I would offer that is the case. It is all relative to ones chosen frame of reference. So some would see they are moral for embracing same sex marriage etc. A Baha'i does not have predudices in this regard. Yet in our chosen frame of reference, it is against Baha'i Law.

Abdul'baha was the example of knowing how to respond to such situations and mostly would not discuss such subjects when he knew the frame of reference of the person being addressed, was not compatible.

Regards Tony
 

Sgt. Pepper

All you need is love.
I now know for an absolute certainty that you do NOT read the articles you link to. If you did, you might have discovered something about the REASONS for the statistics you take such schadenfreudische delight in posting. Reasons like -- if a person is shunned by their community (THAT WOULD BE YOU) their outcomes, mental, emotional, and health, suffer. If a person has poorer access to support, because they would have to admit what their community (THAT WOULD BE YOU) despises and would hate them for -- then their health and welfare outcomes will be likewise poorer.

I see nothing, nothin at all, of "love" that Baha'is like to talk about in anything you post. I'm a bloody atheist, and I have more love of humanity in my left littel toenail than you display in anything you write.

I shall now shut you out. Goodbye.

I've been following this topic and reading many comments made about Baha'i beliefs and homosexuality. After reading several of these posts, all I can say is that it makes sense to me why you are an atheist and don't follow an Abrahamic religion. The fact that some members are speaking out against what I personally view as clear religious prejudice against you and other LGBTQ+ people pleases me. One of the main issues I used to have with fellow conservative evangelical Christians when I was a Christian myself was their discriminatory attitude towards and treatment of LGBTQ+ people. So, I'd like you to know that you have a friend and an ally in me. I am sorry that you have to deal with this sort of dismal contention in your life, and I wish you all the best, Evangelicalhumanist.
 

CG Didymus

Veteran Member
Isn't it proper and polite to assume someone is moral until they show otherwise? Innocent till proven guilty?
What do the major sects of Judaism believe about homosexuality? Is it similar to Christianity? The more conservative sects hate it and call it evil. And the liberal sects are very accepting of it.
 
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