Homosexuality and religious.

[Trailblazer]

Why so?

I believe that people can and should wait to have sex until they are married.
That is just what I believe, and I believed it before I became a Baha'i.
I now also believe it because it is a Baha'i Law.

 

[KWED]

I don't support of harming others

So you don't agree with calling homosexuality "a shameful sexual aberration".
Or do you think that words can't harm people?

 

[Trailblazer]

Happiness is completely subjective. There's no way to answer such a question and therefore no reason to pursue it further.

That is true.

 

[Trailblazer]

You are confused about how sets work. Getting married is one nonsexual expression of romantic love among many possible nonsexual expressions of romantic love. And it is an expression of love that your religion forbids.

Marriage between a man and a woman is not forbidden.
Any other kind of marriage is forbidden.

 

[KWED]

Marriage includes 1. Expressions of romantic love that are not sexual, but that does not mean that The Baha'i Faith prohibits homosexuals from expressions of romantic love that are not sexual. Only sexual acts between homosexuals are prohibited.

Cool. So two gay men can publicly do pretty much anything that expresses their romantic feelings that doesn't involve touching each others penis in some way.

 

[Goldemar]

There is no Baha'i God, there is just God.
Yes, God is a loving God.

And this loving God condemns homosexual sexual activity in such strong terms that it is more than likely that a committed Baha'i engaging in homosexual sexual activity will feel deeply ashamed and distressed and may quite possibly become depressed as a result? Suggests a God that doesn't have much concern for the wellbeing of his creatures. That doesn't sound very loving to me.

 

[ppp]

There is no Baha'i God, there is just God.
Yes, God is a loving God.

When people say, the Baha'i god, they are specifying the specific description of a god to which they are referring. Even if your god exists, and is the only one, that linguistic specificity would still be required for clear conversation.

 

[Goldemar]

I believe that people can and should wait to have sex until they are married.
That is just what I believe, and I believed it before I became a Baha'i.
I now also believe it because it is a Baha'i Law.

No rationale, you just believe it to be important.

 

[KWED]

I can not and will not tell others what is right or wrong for them. I can only speak of what is right and wrong for me.

So if you saw some children racially abusing an old woman, you would shrug and maintain your neutrality on the issue.
If a friend told you they'd found someone's wallet and wanted to know whether they should hand it in or keep the money and bin it, you'd shrug and maintain your neutrality on the issue.

Your faith really is a force for good. Wee need more of that in society.

 

[KWED]

Not helpful for you. Homosexual acts are not to be done, but unlike Christians sexual sins are not high on the list for Baha'is. If a person is gay, he has to go celibate or he/she commits a minor sin under the Baha'i law. It is evil and a sin, but not very at all in my opinion. Very hard to do. It is easier for a heterseaxual to not have sex outside of mariage. I don't know anything about gay people needing to be purged from the world. I couldn't find that statement. Can you cite that to me?

You have a lack of understanding of Baha'i morals. Not surprising. We would never say "gay person go home". That is a straw man. I'm married to a gay person.

You didn't understand any of my post, did you?
I'm sure it must be mere coincidence, but seems like every Bahai on here is strangely and blithely incapable of understanding simple concepts, and analogies are like Greek to them. If my field was sociology, I would apply for funding to conduct some studies. It is truly fascinating.

 

[KWED]

I have Baha'i as a personal belief. It is a path to unity

Not for homosexuals, it seems.

 

[dybmh]

Cool. So two gay men can publicly do pretty much anything that expresses their romantic feelings that doesn't involve touching each others penis in some way.

I think this is debatable. From my reading of the UHJ source you provided, no, any homosexual relationship is forbidden:

"Immorality of every sort is really forbidden by Bahá'u'lláh, and homosexual relationships He looks upon as such, besides being against nature."

 

[Trailblazer]

You can't say homosexuality is a shameful sexual aberration but also claim you are not judging homosexuals.

"I" did not say that homosexuality is a shameful sexual aberration - Shoghi Effendi said that.

 

[Sand Dancer]

Marriage between a man and a woman is not forbidden.
Any other kind of marriage is forbidden.

So in your religion, can gay people have a civil union?

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Marriage between a man and a woman is not forbidden.
Any other kind of marriage is forbidden.

That's not true at all. Same-sex marriage is legally performed and recognized (nationwide or in some parts) in the following countries: Argentina, Australia, Austria, Belgium, Brazil, Canada, Chile, Colombia, Costa Rica, Denmark, Ecuador, Finland, France, Germany, Iceland, Ireland, Luxembourg, Malta, Mexico, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Portugal, Slovenia, South Africa, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, Taiwan, the United Kingdom, the United States, and Uruguay. It will become legal in Andorra on 17 February 2023.

It may well be "forbidden" in your narrow-minded religion, or in some others, but that doesn't matter in the slightest in all of those places.

 

[Trailblazer]

Calling homosexuality "a shameful sexual aberration" is 100%, cast-iron, top-shelf homophobia.
Fact!

No, it absolutely is not homophobia. Read the definition.

homophobia: dislike of or prejudice against gay people.
what is homophobia - Google Search

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

"I" did not say that homosexuality is a shameful sexual aberration - Shoghi Effendi said that.

And who told him?

 

[KWED]

His every day push toward certain religions,

I may have mentioned this before - THIS IS A RELIGIOUS DEBATE FORUM!!

his constant showing hate to what he himself dont believe in.

I don't hate your god. I don't hate your beliefs.
Your god does not exist. I disagree with much of your beliefs. I find much of your doctrine ridiculous and childish.
I don't even hate homophobic bigotry, but it makes me angry and I will not let it go unanswered.
When people attempt to defend or justify things like homophobia, I feel pity and disgust rather than hate.

 

[Trailblazer]

So in your religion, can gay people have a civil union?

No, marriage is only allowed between a man and a woman.
If a homosexual has gender reassignment surgery then a marriage can take place.

 

[KWED]

In my religion, God has no problem with homosexuality.

If there was a god, I can't see any reason why it would have a problem with homosexuality.