Homosexuality and the New Testament: A Question

[Skwim]

Romans 1:26-27(Amplified Bible)
26 For this reason God gave them over and abandoned them to vile affections and degrading passions. For their women exchanged their natural function for an unnatural and abnormal one,

27 And the men also turned from natural relations with women and were set ablaze (burning out, consumed) with lust for one another—men committing shameful acts with men and suffering in their own [a]bodies and personalities the inevitable consequences and penalty of their wrong-doing and going astray, which was [their] fitting retribution

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 (Amplified Bible)
"Do you not know that the unrighteous and the wrongdoers will not inherit or have any share in the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived (misled): neither the impure and immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor those who participate in homosexuality"

1 Timothy 1:9-10 (Amplified Bible)
Knowing and understanding this: that the Law is not enacted for the righteous (the upright and just, who are in right standing with God), but for the lawless and unruly, for the ungodly and sinful, for the irreverent and profane, for those who strike and beat and [even] murder fathers and strike and beat and [even] murder mothers, for manslayers,[For] impure and immoral persons, those who abuse themselves with men, kidnapers, liars, perjurers--and whatever else is opposed to wholesome teaching and sound doctrine

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So, those of you Christians who defend homosexual activity, how do you reconcile these passages with your belief?

 

[Estro Felino]

And the men also turned from natural relations with women and were set ablaze (burning out, consumed) with lust for one another—men committing shameful acts with men

Paul speaks only about straight people. Straight people are supposed to sleep with women, not with men. If they want to transgress, they sin.
But gay people, who have never slept with a woman, can sleep with each other.

 

[Nada]

And the men also turned from natural relations with women and were set ablaze (burning out, consumed) with lust for one another—men committing shameful acts with men

Paul speaks only about straight people. Straight people are supposed to sleep with women, not with men. If they want to transgress, they sin.
But gay people, who have never slept with a woman, can sleep with each other.

True Christians do not commit sexually immoral acts such as homosexuality.God considers this act an abomination.

 

[Estro Felino]

True Christians do not commit sexually immoral acts such as homosexuality.God considers this act an abomination.

Of course it's an abomination. If you straight people do it, it is an abomination.
Given that you like women, you must sleep with women. and not with men

 

[Nada]

Of course it's an abomination. If you straight people do it, it is an abomination.
Given that you like women, you must sleep with women. and not with men

Anyone who sleeps with the same sex.Romans 1:26,27. 26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

If you believe in God ,then, you should not practice homosexuality.Those who defend this practice, and think its ok, have not yet come to know God or His Word.

 

[Estro Felino]

Anyone who sleeps with the same sex.Romans 1:26,27. 26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

If you believe in God ,then, you should not practice homosexuality.Those who defend this practice, and think its ok, have not yet come to know God or His Word.

well...if a man doesn't like women...he's evidently not a "real man".
so it's not the kind of person that the Corinthians passage is addressed to

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Anyone who sleeps with the same sex.Romans 1:26,27. 26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

If you believe in God ,then, you should not practice homosexuality.Those who defend this practice, and think its ok, have not yet come to know God or His Word.

So you think that heterosexuality is "natural" for homosexual people? Why?

 

[Estro Felino]

So you think that heterosexuality is "natural" for homosexual people? Why?

Bravo. That's exactly my point

 

[dawny0826]

And the men also turned from natural relations with women and were set ablaze (burning out, consumed) with lust for one another—men committing shameful acts with men

Paul speaks only about straight people. Straight people are supposed to sleep with women, not with men. If they want to transgress, they sin.
But gay people, who have never slept with a woman, can sleep with each other.

That's not exactly what scripture states, is it?

 

[Nada]

So you think that heterosexuality is "natural" for homosexual people? Why?

Yes.Thats the whole point.According to the holy scriptures homosexuality is not normal.It is a perversion of the mind.This act is considered an abomination to God.God made women for man.He did not make man for men.If you try to have a child with a man, it will not happen.It is not normal.Its an exit and not an entrance.It is biologically and physically impossible to have a baby with another member of the same sex.So, religiously, and scientifically, it is abnormal.

 

[dawny0826]

Yes.Thats the whole point.According to the holy scriptures homosexuality is not normal.It is a perversion of the mind.This act is considered an abomination to God.God made women for man.He did not make man for men.If you try to have a child with a man, it will not happen.It is not normal.Its an exit and not an entrance.It is biologically and physically impossible to have a baby with another member of the same sex.So, religiously, and scientifically, it is abnormal.

At a biological level, heterosexuality isn't "normal" for the homosexual. Many homosexuals would argue with you that their sexuality isn't a mere "peversion" of the mind, but, natural inclination towards the same sex.

I understand a biblical belief that homosexual acts are sinful. I don't agree that being homosexual is necessarily "not normal".

By your logic, a man and woman who couldn't reproduce naturally would be considered "not normal". We know that there are men and women alike who cannot control sterility. Is it "not normal" for these to engage in sex for non-reproductive purposes?

 

[Estro Felino]

Yes.Thats the whole point.According to the holy scriptures homosexuality is not normal.It is a perversion of the mind.This act is considered an abomination to God.God made women for man.He did not make man for men.If you try to have a child with a man, it will not happen.It is not normal.Its an exit and not an entrance.It is biologically and physically impossible to have a baby with another member of the same sex.So, religiously, and scientifically, it is abnormal.

all right. But if gays can't fall in love with women, they can't be forced to.
I think that you don't plan to fall in love with a person, do you?

I get what you mean. You want gays to remain squalidly lonely for the rest of their lives. Right?
Whereas you have the right to be with a woman. Very egalitarian. Congratulations

 

[Nada]

At a biological level, heterosexuality isn't "normal" for the homosexual. Many homosexuals would argue with you that their sexuality isn't a mere "peversion" of the mind, but, natural inclination towards the same sex.

I understand a biblical belief that homosexual acts are sinful. I don't agree that being homosexual is necessarily "not normal".

By your logic, a man and woman who couldn't reproduce naturally would be considered "not normal". We know that there are men and women alike who cannot control sterility. Is it "not normal" for these to engage in sex for non-reproductive purposes?

You said,"By your logic, a man and woman who couldn't reproduce naturally would be considered "not normal" No.Thats not what I said or meant at all.I am speaking of men having sex with men and women having sex with women.That practice is not normal.This has nothing to do with heterosexual sex. Also,of course men and women can have sex with each other without having the need to have a baby.Sex is for married couples.It is not just to have children.As long as they are married,its fine.This is all from a scriptural point of view.

 

[Nada]

all right. But if gays can't fall in love with women, they can't be forced to.
I think that you don't plan to fall in love with a person, do you?

I get what you mean. You want gays to remain squalidly lonely for the rest of their lives. Right?
Whereas you have the right to be with a woman. Very egalitarian. Congratulations

Lol... Man, your comment made me giggle hard.

 

[Estro Felino]

Lol... Man, your comment made me giggle hard.

Italian irony

 

[Nada]

Italian irony

Have you been to the Vatican, since you live close to there?

 

[dawny0826]

You said,"By your logic, a man and woman who couldn't reproduce naturally would be considered "not normal" No.Thats not what I said or meant at all.I am speaking of men having sex with men and women having sex with women.That practice is not normal.This has nothing to do with heterosexual sex. Also,of course men and women can have sex with each other without having the need to have a baby.Sex is for married couples.It is not just to have children.As long as they are married,its fine.This is all from a scriptural point of view.

You used reproduction as a means to discredit the "normalcy" of homosexual relationships. I felt it important to comment on your projected logic, at least as I was interpreting it. I appreciate the clarification.

I agree that NT scripture defines marriage to be union between man and woman. Scripturally speaking, I have no qualms considering any other marital union to be sinful.

However, I disagree with the statement that homosexual "practice" isn't normal. I consider such natural inclination to be quite normal, in the sense that this is how a person is naturally wired. In practice, such action may or may not be accepted or condoned as "normal" contingent upon circumstances.

 

[Estro Felino]

Have you been to the Vatican, since you live close to there?

My father is from Rome, so I have been to Rome so many times, that I know the city by heart.why?

 

[Nada]

My father is from Rome, so I have been to Rome so many times, that I know the city by heart.why?

Because I wanted to ask you if you had ever seen the obelisk in St. peters square.Did you know that Emperor Augustus brought it by ship from Egypt? Caligula later moved it to Rome.Later it was moved to its current site in 1586 by the engineer-architect Domenico Fontana under the direction of Pope Sixtus V. This Obelisk is from Egypt originally, and used for sun worship.It is a pagan statue.It serves as a sun dial in St.Peters square.I find it very interesting that they would use a pagan statue at the Vatican.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Yes.Thats the whole point.According to the holy scriptures homosexuality is not normal.

Which scripture? Chapter and verse, please. I'd like to see the exact passage that says "homosexuality is not normal".

It is a perversion of the mind.This act is considered an abomination to God.God made women for man.He did not make man for men.

So your religious prohibition on homosexuality is based on sexist ideas about the role of women?

BTW: if we're taking Genesis literally - and it sounds like you are - then it was the animals that were made for man first. It was only when Adam didn't find any of them to his liking that God created Eve. Biblically, heterosexuality is only Plan B; God's Plan A was bestiality.

If you try to have a child with a man, it will not happen.It is not normal.Its an exit and not an entrance.It is biologically and physically impossible to have a baby with another member of the same sex.So, religiously, and scientifically, it is abnormal.

How do you figure? Even the most prolific breeders spend 99% of their time doing things that won't lead to babies. Seems pretty normal to me.

Take right now: I'd say it's biologically and physically impossible for you to have a baby while posting on RF. Are you abnormal?