Homosexuality and the New Testament: A Question

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Because I wanted to ask you if you had ever seen the obelisk in St. peters square.Did you know that Emperor Augustus brought it by ship from Egypt? Caligula later moved it to Rome.Later it was moved to its current site in 1586 by the engineer-architect Domenico Fontana under the direction of Pope Sixtus V. This Obelisk is from Egypt originally, and used for sun worship.It is a pagan statue.It serves as a sun dial in St.Peters square.I find it very interesting that they would use a pagan statue at the Vatican.

There are Pagan influences throughout Christianity. Why should the Vatican be any different?

 

[Nada]

There are Pagan influences throughout Christianity. Why should the Vatican be any different?

Incorrect.There are pagan influences throughout false Christianity.

 

[Estro Felino]

Because I wanted to ask you if you had ever seen the obelisk in St. peters square.Did you know that Emperor Augustus brought it by ship from Egypt? Caligula later moved it to Rome.Later it was moved to its current site in 1586 by the engineer-architect Domenico Fontana under the direction of Pope Sixtus V. This Obelisk is from Egypt originally, and used for sun worship.It is a pagan statue.It serves as a sun dial in St.Peters square.I find it very interesting that they would use a pagan statue at the Vatican.

well, in the ancient Age, the Romans stole hundreds of works of art from the Greeks, the Egyptians, the Persians, and so on. Even from the Sicilians, as Cicero wrote.
The Catholic Church was very frivolous and corrupted in the XVII century. so it was obvious that the Pope wanted to create a Golden City made of works of art and luxury. the will to place that obelisk on the square has nothing to do with pagan symbolism. It deals with thirst for artistic prestige and fame.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Incorrect.There are pagan influences throughout false Christianity.

So all Christianity is "false Christianity", then:
Hellenistic philosophy and Christianity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

BTW: do you celebrate Christmas and Easter?

 

[Nada]

Which scripture? Chapter and verse, please. I'd like to see the exact passage that says "homosexuality is not normal".


So your religious prohibition on homosexuality is based on sexist ideas about the role of women?

BTW: if we're taking Genesis literally - and it sounds like you are - then it was the animals that were made for man first. It was only when Adam didn't find any of them to his liking that God created Eve. Biblically, heterosexuality is only Plan B; God's Plan A was bestiality.


How do you figure? Even the most prolific breeders spend 99% of their time doing things that won't lead to babies. Seems pretty normal to me.

Take right now: I'd say it's biologically and physically impossible for you to have a baby while posting on RF. Are you abnormal?

1 Corinthians 6:9*Or do you not know that unrighteous people will not inherit God’s Kingdom? Do not be misled. Those who are sexually immoral, idolaters, adulterers, men who submit to homosexual acts, men who practice homosexuality

9 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men


Q:"So your religious prohibition on homosexuality is based on sexist ideas about the role of women?" A: No.


"BTW: if we're taking Genesis literally - and it sounds like you are - then it was the animals that were made for man first. It was only when Adam didn't find any of them to his liking that God created Eve. Biblically, heterosexuality is only Plan B; God's Plan A was bestiality."

Incorrect.That is your interpretation and it is wrong.Animals were made to serve a purpose according to Gods will.Adam was to name them all.He was also to use them as a food source.


Genesis 9:3 Everything that lives and moves about will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything.


Genesis 20:20 The man gave names to all the cattle, and to the birds of the sky, and to every beast of the field, but for Adam there was not found a helper suitable for him.


Suitable:right or appropriate for a particular person, purpose, or situation:

Exodus 22:19 "Anyone who has sexual relations with an animal is to be put to death."

So no,Adam did not have first dibs on the animals.Woman was made specifically for Adam.

 

[Nada]

So all Christianity is "false Christianity", then:
Hellenistic philosophy and Christianity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

BTW: do you celebrate Christmas and Easter?

Incorrect.There is True Christianity which was established by Jesus Christ.Then,there is counterfeit Christianity that was established by men who corrupted the truth with their false doctrines and traditions.

No.I do not celebrate X-mas or Easter.Those are pagan holidays.God never commands anyone to celebrate X-mas or Easter in the holy scriptures.It never says that december 25th is Jesus B-day.It also does not mention it in the holy scriptures.

It was pagans who celebrated these days,not Gods people.In Genesis 40:20-22.It speaks of Pharaoh hanging his chief baker during his B-day celebration.In Mark 6:21-28. It speaks of King Herod Antipas beheading John the Baptist during his B-day celebration.Both of these Kings were pagans.

Never does it mention Gods people practicing this pagan custom.
Thats what X-mas is.One big B-day party for Jesus made up by people.
Jesus never celebrated it and neither did his parents or his disciples.This all came about way later in the 4th century in the 300's.It was Constantine and his bishops who saw to this.Constantine had just legalized Christianity for it was becoming popular.He wanted to get more of his Romans involved so he turned Saturnalia,which was sun worship,into worship of the Son.Pagan Romans did not want to give up their holiday soConstantine converted it.They kept all of their customs but changed the name.It became Christ -Mass.Christmas.

All of the things like wreaths,yule logs,evergreen trees,mistletoe etc.. are all of pagan origin.

Easter is also sun worship and fertility worship.Thats what the egg and rabbit represent.Rabbits of course for fertility and the egg is rebirth.Every spring when the sun comes back everything grows and animals produce.ALL PAGAN.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

1 Corinthians 6:9*Or do you not know that unrighteous people will not inherit God’s Kingdom? Do not be misled. Those who are sexually immoral, idolaters, adulterers, men who submit to homosexual acts, men who practice homosexuality

9 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men

I notice you chopped that passage off partway through. It make it less obvious how ironic it is for you to use a passage that condemns homosexuals AND revilers to justify reviling homosexuality.

Q:"So your religious prohibition on homosexuality is based on sexist ideas about the role of women?" A: No.

It's sexist to say that woman was made for man. Is this your position or not?

"BTW: if we're taking Genesis literally - and it sounds like you are - then it was the animals that were made for man first. It was only when Adam didn't find any of them to his liking that God created Eve. Biblically, heterosexuality is only Plan B; God's Plan A was bestiality."

Incorrect.That is your interpretation and it is wrong.Animals were made to serve a purpose according to Gods will.Adam was to name them all.He was also to use them as a food source.

Genesis 2 says nothing about the animals being a food source. OTOH, it does describe God saying "it's not right for man to be alone. I will make a companion for him" and then immediately making animal after animal.

Genesis 9:3 Everything that lives and moves about will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything.

I NOW give you. IOW, the animals hadn't been given as food until that point.

Genesis 20:20 The man gave names to all the cattle, and to the birds of the sky, and to every beast of the field, but for Adam there was not found a helper suitable for him.

It's chapter 2, not 20, but otherwise correct... and matches with what I described earlier: God provided Adam with animal after animal as prospective companions, but Adam didn't take to any of them.

Suitable:right or appropriate for a particular person, purpose, or situation:

Exodus 22:19 "Anyone who has sexual relations with an animal is to be put to death."

Presumably, an all-powerful God has the ability to change his mind. Not only on this issue, but also on the issue of kosher food: as you pointed out, in Genesis 9, God tells Adam that he can eat any animal, but then later on, he tells the Jews not to eat pork, shellfish, etc.

So no,Adam did not have first dibs on the animals.Woman was made specifically for Adam.

Again with the sexism.

 

[029b10]

So no,Adam did not have first dibs on the animals.Woman was made specifically for Adam.

So the female didn't marry a male in Genesis? :drums:

If the scriptures say that the wife of Adam was Eve then I would love for you to prove me wrong by the scriptures, that should be relatively easy to prove wouldn't you think?

Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
1 Thess 5:21

 

[Nada]

I notice you chopped that passage off partway through. It make it less obvious how ironic it is for you to use a passage that condemns homosexuals AND revilers to justify reviling homosexuality.

It's sexist to say that woman was made for man. Is this your position or not?


Genesis 2 says nothing about the animals being a food source. OTOH, it does describe God saying "it's not right for man to be alone. I will make a companion for him" and then immediately making animal after animal.


I NOW give you. IOW, the animals hadn't been given as food until that point.


It's chapter 2, not 20, but otherwise correct... and matches with what I described earlier: God provided Adam with animal after animal as prospective companions, but Adam didn't take to any of them.


Presumably, an all-powerful God has the ability to change his mind. Not only on this issue, but also on the issue of kosher food: as you pointed out, in Genesis 9, God tells Adam that he can eat any animal, but then later on, he tells the Jews not to eat pork, shellfish, etc.


Again with the sexism.

1.No.
2.No.
3.No.
4.No.
5.No.
6.No
7.and No.

 

[Nada]

So the female didn't marry a male in Genesis? :drums:

If the scriptures say that the wife of Adam was Eve then I would love for you to prove me wrong by the scriptures, that should be relatively easy to prove wouldn't you think?

Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
1 Thess 5:21

Of course Eve,a woman,was for Adam,a man.Why would you think that I said otherwise?

 

[Estro Felino]

well...all this sounds like a cruel game towards gay people to whom nature has already been cruel enough.

I don't think it's fun to be gay.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

1.No.
2.No.
3.No.
4.No.
5.No.
6.No
7.and No.

Well, that's useful. :sarcastic

 

[Nada]

well...all this sounds like a cruel game towards gay people to whom nature has already been cruel enough.

I don't think it's fun to be gay.

Human nature.

 

[Nada]

Well, that's useful. :sarcastic

Im sorry man.I just felt it was not necessary to get into a whole lot since we don't see eye to eye to begin with.It will just be a waste of both of our time. I will agree to disagree

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Human nature.

It may be your human nature to be mean to gay people, but I think that with enough reflection, prayer, and repentance, you'll arrive at a more godly position.

 

[Estro Felino]

Human nature.

It's nature. The same force that makes children with Down syndrome

 

[Nada]

It's nature. The same force that makes children with Down syndrome

Nature does not do that.Human imperfection does.
Nature:the phenomena of the physical world collectively, including plants, animals, the landscape, and other features and products of the earth, as opposed to humans or human creations:

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Im sorry man.I just felt it was not necessary to get into a whole lot since we don't see eye to eye to begin with.It will just be a waste of both of our time. I will agree to disagree

I think you misunderstood my intent: I'm not out to change your mind; I think you're probably beyond hope. I'm out to demonstrate to everyone else in this thread that your position is irrational. Whether I get you to realize it or not is secondary.

 

[Estro Felino]

Nature does not do that.Human imperfection does.
Nature:the phenomena of the physical world collectively, including plants, animals, the landscape, and other features and products of the earth, as opposed to humans or human creations:

human imperfection? the down syndrome is natural. because nature is chaotic. It's not perfect

 

[Nada]

I think you misunderstood my intent: I'm not out to change your mind; I think you're probably beyond hope. I'm out to demonstrate to everyone else in this thread that your position is irrational. Whether I get you to realize it or not is secondary.

You said, "I think you're probably beyond hope." Wow! And your an administrator on this Religious Forum site?