Homosexuality and the New Testament: A Question

[Skwim]

Before that it says:
Romans 1:21: For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened.

and:
Romans 1:24: Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.

Paul says that because they didn't glorify God, He punished them with sexual impurity. Today we know that's not the cause of homosexuality.

Thanks for the interesting info.

I am totally for same sex marriage. Gays are born that way, so why not give them equality?

 

[Estro Felino]

why shouldn't we say that lots of Christians think that faith can heal homosexuality?

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[9-10ths_Penguin]

Genesis 2:21 And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
22 And the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man. 23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man. 24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh. 25 And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.

This passage has helped me see the light: bachelorhood is an abomination. Unmarried men and women are an affront to the Lord.

 

[Nada]

Some people are naturally not attracted to the opposite gender. They can't help it.

Some people want to naturally kill.They cant help it either.It still does not make it right.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Some people want to naturally kill.They cant help it either.It still does not make it right.

That passage in Romans specifically refers to what is natural, not what is right.

 

[Estro Felino]

Some people want to naturally kill.They cant help it either.It still does not make it right.

hey...wait a minute, sir.
I understand why you think it's wrong that two men fall in love with each other.
But you can't force a man to like women against his will.
This is cruel and unnatural.
So it would be more intellectually honest, if you just said: gay men are supposed to remain lonely for the rest of their lives. Lonely as a mushroom cloud

 

[viole]

Incorrect.That is your interpretation and it is wrong.Animals were made to serve a purpose according to Gods will.Adam was to name them all.He was also to use them as a food source.

I think you are confusing humans with T-Rexes. For I cannot imagine God making T-Rexes as a food source for humans, whereas the contrary seems more plausible.

I assume here that you believe that T-Rexes and humans co-existed.

Ciao

- viole

 

[Nada]

Before that it says:
Romans 1:21: For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened.

and:
Romans 1:24: Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.

Paul says that because they didn't glorify God, He punished them with sexual impurity. Today we know that's not the cause of homosexuality.

I am totally for same sex marriage. Gays are born that way, so why not give them equality?

Thats not what Romans 1:24 means at all.When it says "God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity",this means that He abandoned them to it.Notice it was their own desires.God does not cause evil.All God did was step back and let them do what they wanted to do.These apostate Jews disobeyed God, so God let them do as they wanted to do.Thats what happens when one does not do as God commands.It starts small and then snowballs into very bad things.Sexual immorality is very bad in Gods eyes.Every other sin is outside of the body but sexual immorality is within your body.You pollute your temple when you do this.

1 Corinthians 6:18 Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a person commits are outside the body, but whoever sins sexually, sins against their own body.


James 1:13-15. 13 When tempted, no one should say, “God is tempting me.” For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone; 14 but each person is tempted when they are dragged away by their own evil desire and enticed. 15 Then, after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death.

 

[Nada]

hey...wait a minute, sir.
I understand why you think it's wrong that two men fall in love with each other.
But you can't force a man to like women against his will.
This is cruel and unnatural.
So it would be more intellectually honest, if you just said: gay men are supposed to remain lonely for the rest of their lives. Lonely as a mushroom cloud

You are absolutely correct.You cannot force a man to like a woman against their will. Although,if this man is a Christian, and wants to serve God fully,then,he must not practice homosexuality.This does not mean he has to be with a woman.It just means he must control his sexual desires towards men.I never once said anything about forcing a man to like a woman.

 

[Estro Felino]

It just means he must control his sexual desires towards men.I never once said anything about forcing a man to like a woman.

all right. But this unavoidably implies that he will remain as lonely as a mushroom cloud

 

[Nada]

I think you are confusing humans with T-Rexes. For I cannot imagine God making T-Rexes as a food source for humans, whereas the contrary seems more plausible.

I assume here that you believe that T-Rexes and humans co-existed.

Ciao

- viole

Im not confused at all.…28God blessed them; and God said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it; and rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over every living thing that moves on the earth." 29 Then God said, "Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the surface of all the earth, and every tree which has fruit yielding seed; it shall be food for you; 30 and to every beast of the earth and to every bird of the sky and to every thing that moves on the earth which has life, I have given every green plant for food"; and it was so.…

So God has given this all to man.


If you read Genesis 9:2,3 God explains this to Noah and his family after the flood,…2"The fear of you and the terror of you will be on every beast of the earth and on every bird of the sky; with everything that creeps on the ground, and all the fish of the sea, into your hand they are given. 3"Every moving thing that is alive shall be food for you; I give all to you, as I gave the green plant.

So here God is explaining that these animals will have fear and terror towards them for they know they are in subjection to them.God is the creator of the entire universe and created everything.So why would it be a surprise for God to be able to control the animals and give them as a food source to His people?

We know from scripture that God has the power to do remarkable things.Daniel 6:21,22. Daniel answered, “May the king live forever! 22 My God sent his angel, and he shut the mouths of the lions. They have not hurt me, because I was found innocent in his sight. Nor have I ever done any wrong before you, Your Majesty.”

 

[Nada]

all right. But this unavoidably implies that he will remain as lonely as a mushroom cloud

Lol..Your funny.I actually enjoy your comments.Lonely as a mushroom cloud.Ha Ha Ha

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

You are absolutely correct.You cannot force a man to like a woman against their will. Although,if this man is a Christian, and wants to serve God fully,then,he must not practice homosexuality.This does not mean he has to be with a woman.It just means he must control his sexual desires towards men.I never once said anything about forcing a man to like a woman.

So you disagree with "God's word" when it says that a man is to cleave to a wife?

 

[viole]

Im not confused at all.…28God blessed them; and God said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it; and rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over every living thing that moves on the earth." 29 Then God said, "Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the surface of all the earth, and every tree which has fruit yielding seed; it shall be food for you; 30 and to every beast of the earth and to every bird of the sky and to every thing that moves on the earth which has life, I have given every green plant for food"; and it was so.…

So God has given this all to man.


If you read Genesis 9:2,3 God explains this to Noah and his family after the flood,…2"The fear of you and the terror of you will be on every beast of the earth and on every bird of the sky; with everything that creeps on the ground, and all the fish of the sea, into your hand they are given. 3"Every moving thing that is alive shall be food for you; I give all to you, as I gave the green plant.

So here God is explaining that these animals will have fear and terror towards them for they know they are in subjection to them.God is the creator of the entire universe and created everything.So why would it be a surprise for God to be able to control the animals and give them as a food source to His people?

We know from scripture that God has the power to do remarkable things.Daniel 6:21,22. Daniel answered, “May the king live forever! 22 My God sent his angel, and he shut the mouths of the lions. They have not hurt me, because I was found innocent in his sight. Nor have I ever done any wrong before you, Your Majesty.”

Mmh. I am not really sure that things like mosquitos are terrified by humans. After all, one just fed on my finger turning it into a balloon. Not to talk of all humans who die by getting parasites from other mosquitos. Those parasites do not seem terrified either.

By the way. Do you think that mosquitos, parasites, coackroaches, tarantula spiders, etc. are also a source of food for men, created by God for this purpose?

Ciao

- viole

 

[Nada]

Mmh. I am not really sure that things like mosquitos are terrified by humans. After all, one just fed on my finger turning it into a balloon. Not to talk of all humans who die by getting parasites from other mosquitos. Those parasites do not seem terrified either.

By the way. Do you think that mosquitos, parasites, coackroaches, tarantula spiders, etc. are also a source of food for men, created by God for this purpose?

Ciao

- viole

Well the things you mentioned would not really satisfy for they are small except maybe the tarantulas.Another thing,the times of then are not like today.When God told Adam this they were still perfect and were under God.They eventually sinned and were cast out of the Garden of Eden.

Noah and his family had just exited the Ark and were in need of food.The animals were already in subjection to them for they were all in the Ark together.God did this.So,God allowed the animals to give them selves freely to Noah and his family per God.

After Noah's family repopulated the earth,once all was done,we can see from scripture that animals went back to be as they were.Animals such as lions were used to kill people in lion dens.Hence the story in the book of Daniel.But,God sent an angel to close the mouths of these lions.So from this story we can see that animals were no longer in subjection to humans.Thats why an angel had to help Daniel.

This scripture speaks of how it will be again after all the wickedness is done away with on earth, when the end comes.Isaiah 11:6,7. 6 And the wolf will dwell with the lamb, And the leopard will lie down with the young goat, And the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; And a little boy will lead them. 7 Also the cow and the bear will graze, Their young will lie down together, And the lion will eat straw like the ox.…

 

[viole]

Well the things you mentioned would not really satisfy for they are small except maybe the tarantulas.Another thing,the times of then are not like today.When God told Adam this they were still perfect and were under God.They eventually sinned and were cast out of the Garden of Eden.

I am not aware of God specifying the minimum applicable size. And what do you mean with "perfect"? Were they perfect parasites?

Noah and his family had just exited the Ark and were in need of food.The animals were already in subjection to them for they were all in the Ark together.God did this.So,God allowed the animals to give them selves freely to Noah and his family per God.

In need of food? What have they been eating during their cruise? Fish, I guess.

God allowed the animals to give themselves free to be eaten? How very much magnanimous. Lol. I can only imagine the "necessarily extinct" couple of animals asking God: please let us offer ourself for food for Noah and his famished family.

After Noah's family repopulated the earth,once all was done,we can see from scripture that animals went back to be as they were.Animals such as lions were used to kill people in lion dens.Hence the story in the book of Daniel.But,God sent an angel to close the mouths of these lions.So from this story we can see that animals were no longer in subjection to humans.Thats why an angel had to help Daniel.

Yes. Those marsupials deciding that they belong to Australia, for some reason, and jumpying their way back to that big island.

God sent an angel to shut the mouth of those lions which were no longer in subjection of humans? Makes perfect sense. I would probably be disappointed by humans too, if I were a lion, after one year on fish diet.

This scripture speaks of how it will be again after all the wickedness is done away with on earth, when the end comes.Isaiah 11:6,7. 6 And the wolf will dwell with the lamb, And the leopard will lie down with the young goat, And the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; And a little boy will lead them. 7 Also the cow and the bear will graze, Their young will lie down together, And the lion will eat straw like the ox.…

How beautiful. The lion will eat straw like the ox. i am not sure, though, what the straw thinks about getting a new predator that requires angels to keep his mouth shut, lol.

It is mind boggling how you can believe any of this stuff.

Ciao

- viole

 

[Nada]

I am not aware of God specifying the minimum applicable size. And what do you mean with "perfect"? Were they perfect parasites?



In need of food? What have they been eating during their cruise? Fish, I guess.

God allowed the animals to give themselves free to be eaten? How very much magnanimous. Lol. I can only imagine the "necessarily extinct" couple of animals asking God: please let us offer ourself for food for Noah and his famished family.



Yes. Those marsupials deciding that they belong to Australia, for some reason, and jumpying their way back to that big island.

God sent an angel to shut the mouth of those lions which were no longer in subjection of humans? Makes perfect sense. I would probably be disappointed by humans too, if I were a lion, after one year on fish diet.



How beautiful. The lion will eat straw like the ox. i am not sure, though, what the straw thinks about getting a new predator that requires angels to keep his mouth shut, lol.

It is mind boggling how you can believe any of this stuff.

Ciao

- viole

#1Lol...No,not the bugs.I meant Adam and Eve were still perfect.

#2 Noah knew in advance that he would be on this Ark.Im pretty sure he planned ahead and prepared food for he and his family.People back then would sun dry fish,sort of like jerky.They had fruits and vegetables.Chickens had eggs.What ever else they needed Im sure God provided.

#3 and #4 do not deserve a response.

Im not surprised at all that you don't believe, because you have no faith.
Faith is not for everyone.There are those that God draws close to Him and those who's hearts are hardened.

There is much evidence in the holy scriptures but you will never know unless you try to understand.One must pray ,read and study thoroughly.Not just read one scripture and base your whole belief on what one scripture says.

 

[TheGunShoj]

Thats not what Romans 1:24 means at all.When it says "God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity",this means that He abandoned them to it.Notice it was their own desires.God does not cause evil.

Isaiah 45:7 "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things."

God certainly does cause evil.

 

[Shuttlecraft]

We all know there are nasty loud militant gays, and there are nice friendly gays.
The Sodom/Gomorrah mob were the nasty sort, hammering on peoples doors demanding the men come out so they could have them, and the rest is history.
The moral?- God doesn't like the nasty sort.

 

[Sand Dancer]

Some people want to naturally kill.They cant help it either.It still does not make it right.

Yes, but our brain is not wired to kill like it is for sexual orientation.