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Homosexuality in the Bible

Mister_T

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Thats kind of silly, the bible is talking about a spiritual path
No kidding. What do you think religion is? :bonk:

Are you saying just because someone believes different than you, that automatically means that their path isn't spiritual and that you hold exclusive rights to "sprituality"?


YOU CAN"T PICK AND CHOOSE WHAT YOU WANT FROM THE BIBLE
"Christians" do this as well. Quite frequently at that.
 

Mister_T

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But even if the 35% is correct - that makes the broad path 65%. Since there are only two paths :)
For a 2 path system, you're right. Touche'

BUT,.....out of that 35%, Protestant makes up 52% of Christianity. Follwed second by Catholics who are 24%. Mormons, Orthodox, Liberals, etc. are 2% or lower........which means that the path they are taking is the lowest or "narrowist." They are taking the narrow path while groups like protestants are taking the broad path. If you want to take the narrowist path possible, make up your sect, include only yourself, claim absolute truth and exclusivity and volia! YOU WIN!


I'm still sticking with the Amish.

http://www.adherents.com/rel_USA.html#Pew_branches




Reading further into the subject it seem that eventually Islam and Christianity will be the 2 major religions that dominate in the future.
 
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literal visionary

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YOU CAN"T PICK AND CHOOSE WHAT YOU WANT FROM THE BIBLE
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"Christians" do this as well. Quite frequently at that.

Yeah and I agree with im saying its wrong, Im saying that the passage is about doing the right or wrong thing, that doing the right thing is harder.
 

Adstar

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Pah said:
You haven't addressed the fact that the Holy Ghost has given confirmation and approval of homosexuality to homosexuals.

Well is it not obvious that i do not believe that such confirmation has come from the Holy Spirit.. As if i need to address that false claim. It is an offence to me to be wasting these minutes posting this post.


All Praise The Ancient Of Days
 

Adstar

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Mister_T said:
Well in that case, 75% of North America is Christian. There are 19 major religions worldwide and Christiany is on top at 35%. The majority of the world is Christian. The "broad path" of the world is Christianity. You lose by that passage.

But I'm sure you have a well though out explanation for that as well. :)


http://www.religioustolerance.org/worldrel.htm
:)
Of course. Most people who call themselves Christian are Not Christians but are false christians.

Millions want Jesus as their Savoir but sadly few want Him as their Lord. For true Christians Jesus is both Lord and Savoir.

It’s been like this for a very long time.


All Praise The Ancient Of Days
 

Pah

Uber all member
literal visionary said:
Oh how the blind seek to twist the word of God, -Did you even read my post, are you even going to present proof for your statements, or are you just going to say what you feel personally and expect for people to believe your opinions as fact, Just because men kissed back then doesn't mean they were gay smart one, And if the

it would have stated so more clearly, or at all, in any way whatsoever the little ditty post earlier in this thrread doesn't prove anything but people today are trying to fit the beliefs of ancient peoples somehow correlates to peoples way of life in modern America
Did you know that you have as much credibilty as any in the gay community who claim personal revelation via the Holy Ghost - no more no less. Not my opinion but time after time shown to the reluctant and finally admitted.
 

Pah

Uber all member
Adstar said:
Well is it not obvious that i do not believe that such confirmation has come from the Holy Spirit.. As if i need to address that false claim. It is an offence to me to be wasting these minutes posting this post.


All Praise The Ancient Of Days
It is quite obvious that you are in error. For if the Christian gay community is denied personal revelation, there is nothing that gives you any crediblity either.
 

literal visionary

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Did you know that you have as much credibilty as any in the gay community who claim personal revelation via the Holy Ghost - no more no less. Not my opinion but time after time shown to the reluctant and finally admitted.

were talking about the bible versuis gay people saying that god thinks being gay is right, the point your making is not worth
 

literal visionary

Active Member
HAHAHAHA/........

It is quite obvious that you are in error. For if the Christian gay community is denied personal revelation, there is nothing that gives you any crediblity either.

When are you people gonna figure out that nobody really cares about your singular opinion

try proving the blather that comes out of your mouth

Right now i could throw my hands up and sing hallelujah god has just told me being gay is okay- this doesn't mean that it is

besides, just because god connects with gay people in some way doesn't mean god thinks being gay is okay

being gay is a forgiveable sin
god will allow you his love no matter what you do
but you have to ask for forgiveness
 

Mister_T

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Premium Member
Of course. Most people who call themselves Christian are Not Christians but are false christians.

Yes I know. This is quite obvious. And this same phrase can be said for you.


Millions want Jesus as their Savoir but sadly few want Him as their Lord. For true Christians Jesus is both Lord and Savoir.

Anybody can claim Jesus as their lord and savior. People involved in The Spainish Inqusition and The Crusades did. Making that claim doesn't automatically make somebody right and supreme over everyone else who claims to be Christian. You are not exempt from this.
 

literal visionary

Active Member
Anybody can claim Jesus as their lord and savior. People involved in The Spainish Inqusition and The Crusades did. Making that claim doesn't automatically make somebody right and supreme over everyone else who claims to be Christian. You are not exempt from this.

youre totally correct about this
 

s2a

Heretic and part-time (skinny) Santa impersonator
Hello Adstar,

You said:

"God wins in the end my friend. And all who stand with Him will enjoy the blessings of His victory."

Since you feel inclined evade my point and ply me with evangelism instead, I invite you to outline and detail what the Bible says the blessings of His victory will be for His adherents, in this REF thread:
"So what’s so great about a Christian heaven?"

What do "the winners" get (I've already heard what happens to the "losers")?

There is little point in posting scriptures to people who use the "the bible is not the word of God but the word of men" argument. You have been defeated by that lie.

It must please your god that you retain the especial insight to determine whom is worthy of hearing Scripture in righteous justification of your faith. The "deceived" (by lies) are therefore unworthy of Scripture? To Hell with them? Easier to stand by God's Word when no one questions either what you claim, or what He says, I suppose.

People who pick and choose what they agree with in the Word and then discard everything they disagree with in the bible using the "it's all just words of men" argument have only created their own personal religion. They have not found the truth they have distorted the truth to conform with what their vain minds think of as being the truth.

Where do vain minds go to test themselves and learn "the truth"? If vanity is self-deceit, and lies separate minds from "the truth", to what or whom should they turn, or trust? Perhaps to someone that already claims (or infers) for themselves to understand "the truth" (and there's certainly no vanity in that position)?

People who trust in their own minds logic have pride in their own thoughts and pride comes before destruction. The Word of God is not some smorgasbord that people can pick and choose what suits them. Every Word of God will stand until the end no matter how many self deceived people choose the broad way that leads to destruction.

I can't entirely disagree with you there. Majority of held opinion (or faith-based belief) is neither assurance nor guarantor of accuracy, wisdom, common sense, or "the truth". How does that adage go now...?
"Just because you think something is true, and most people agree with you, that don't make it necessarily so".
Funny. I was just thinking the same thing...

Since you seem intimately familiar with the "Word of God", I was wondering which published version of the Bible you use (ya know, the one with all the truthful Words) that is unvarnished by "the words of men"? I'd like to have a copy of that one (i hope it is in English, as I'm not fluent in ancient Hebrew or Greek).

Matthew 7
13 “Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. 14 Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.

I note that you quote (Matt:13-14) from the New King James Version (NKJV) translation of the Bible (first published in 1982). Should I assume that translation to be unblemished by "the words of men", and sole repository of the accurate and truthful "Word of God"?
If so, I do have a copy of that translation, and you would spare me an unnecessary visit to Amazon.com by affirming that assumption.

[You probably already knew this bit of Biblical trivia, but for those vain and curious minds still misled by lies and the "words of men"...it's interesting to note that it wasn't until (first published) 1560 that the Geneva Bible added numbered verses to an English translation of the Bible. I guess cutting and pasting numbered Chapter and Verse from Scripture (as righteous instruction) doesn't intrude upon the notion of men otherwise altering/amending "God's Word"]
 

s2a

Heretic and part-time (skinny) Santa impersonator
Adstar also said:

"Of course. Most people who call themselves Christian are Not Christians but are false christians."

Well, of course such claimants are "Not Christians"!

Nobody ever really studies like they should in order to pass the "True/False Christian Test". Thank goodness you're here to remind all those flunking, loser Christians of their failing grade.

Just wondering...are you an Heavenly-appointed administer of that "True/False Christian" test; just a proctor, or; do you actually get to grade the "True/False" tests too (I was of the understanding that that last job description was left exclusively to the Big Professor in the Sky)?

[I'm so confused. Now I'm not sure if I'm a true atheist or a false atheist. If I could only find a true atheist to tell me one way or the other, or at least test me...]
 

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
I demand a... SHRUBBERY!!!

One that looks nice...and not too expensive...

There is little point in posting scriptures to people who use the "the bible is not the word of God but the word of men" argument. You have been defeated by that lie.

People who pick and choose what they agree with in the Word and then discard everything they disagree with in the bible using the "it's all just words of men" argument have only created their own personal religion. They have not found the truth they have distorted the truth to conform with what their vain minds think of as being the truth.

People who trust in their own minds logic have pride in their own thoughts and pride comes before destruction. The Word of God is not some smorgasbord that people can pick and choose what suits them. Every Word of God will stand until the end no matter how many self deceived people choose the broad way that leads to destruction.

Garbage! Literalistic thinking leads us to believe that there was motorized transportation in Bibical times, because Acts tells us that the apostles were in one Accord, and Isaiah tells us that God's train filled the Temple. That kind of thinking leads us to believe that drugs were used by religious people, since Isaiah saw God "high and lifted up," and...we all know that Stephen was stoned!

If we don't use our minds to think critically about what we read, we might come up with all kinds of nonsense in the Bible...like homosexuality is a sin, for example...
 

Adstar

Active Member
s2a said:
Hello Adstar,

You said:



Since you feel inclined evade my point and ply me with evangelism instead, I invite you to outline and detail what the Bible says the blessings of His victory will be for His adherents, in this REF thread:
"So what’s so great about a Christian heaven?"

What do "the winners" get (I've already heard what happens to the "losers")?

I am amazed you do not already know. Most athiests i have talked to have a basic idea. But anyway. We (true Believers) will have eternal existence in the presence of the God of Abraham. An existence without pain or suffering. :)


It must please your god that you retain the especial insight to determine whom is worthy of hearing Scripture in righteous justification of your faith.

You are misguided. On the contrary i am called to share what i know with everyone. That includes atheists like yourself and false Christians who deny the scripture. Once i have shared the truth the ball is in court of the one receiving the Message as to how they will play it. It's a simple system. Someone gives the message and others accept or reject it.



The "deceived" (by lies) are therefore unworthy of Scripture? To Hell with them?

Well there are the decieved who upon hearing the truth abandon their false position and come to embrace the truth. Then there are the decieved who love their decieved state and hate the truth. Two very different cats :) One God loves the other God hates.

We see in this very thread that there are decieved ones who reject the truth as pertaining to the abomination of the homosexual act. They love their decieved position and they hate the truth of the scripture. Therefore yes they will have eternity in the lake of fire. Of cource the truth offends people greatly especaly when they see the truth as being evil.



Easier to stand by God's Word when no one questions either what you claim, or what He says, I suppose.

Oh no. The more ones faith is put to the test by challenging questions the more one investigates the truth and the stronger one grows in knowledge of the faith. So questions are a good thing. They make my faith stronger.



Where do vain minds go to test themselves and learn "the truth"?

The problem is vain minds never seek to test themselves. Vain minds seek to test everything else by the thoughts of their own minds. If anything does not align with their minds measurement of what is right then it is rejected. It matters not if the conflicting truth comes from the bible. Vain minds have declared themselves God.


If vanity is self-deceit, and lies separate minds from "the truth", to what or whom should they turn, or trust? Perhaps to someone that already claims (or infers) for themselves to understand "the truth" (and there's certainly no vanity in that position)?

Well once again they will not accept the clear Word of God on a matter because they place their own intellect abouve the wisdom Of God. So it matters not a jot to them if a human comes with the truth. Because their mind tells them that anyone who disagrees with what they deem as truth is a fool.



[You probably already knew this bit of Biblical trivia, but for those vain and curious minds still misled by lies and the "words of men"...it's interesting to note that it wasn't until (first published) 1560 that the Geneva Bible added numbered verses to an English translation of the Bible. I guess cutting and pasting numbered Chapter and Verse from Scripture (as righteous instruction) doesn't intrude upon the notion of men otherwise altering/amending "God's Word"]

The numbering system of the bible is just a convienent system to help one locate scriptures. Just as page numbers in any book helps one to guide others to the parts of a book one wishes to talk about. The system does not change the meacing of the words. The bible should be read without much concern with those numbers.


All Praise The Ancient Of Days
 

Adstar

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s2a said:
Adstar also said:
s2a said:



Well, of course such claimants are "Not Christians"!

Nobody ever really studies like they should in order to pass the "True/False Christian Test". Thank goodness you're here to remind all those flunking, loser Christians of their failing grade.


Well, all true followers of The Messiah Jesus are called by Jesus to go out and give the truth. Some will embrace the truth and accept correction while others will reject truth and mock correction



Just wondering...are you an Heavenly-appointed administer of that "True/False Christian" test; just a proctor, or; do you actually get to grade the "True/False" tests too (I was of the understanding that that last job description was left exclusively to the Big Professor in the Sky)?

The Word of God is the true tester of those who claim to be followers of The Messiah Jesus,



[I'm so confused. Now I'm not sure if I'm a true atheist or a false atheist. If I could only find a true atheist to tell me one way or the other, or at least test me...]

Although you are confused, i do not think for a moment you actually believe yourself to be confused. From your sarcasm and mockery it is pretty clear that you are a true atheist indeed.



All Praise The Ancient Of Days
 

Adstar

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Mister_T said:
Yes I know. This is quite obvious. And this same phrase can be said for you.




Anybody can claim Jesus as their lord and savior. People involved in The Spainish Inqusition and The Crusades did. Making that claim doesn't automatically make somebody right and supreme over everyone else who claims to be Christian. You are not exempt from this.

No of cource you can make the claim that i am a false Christian, as you have in this post. So make your claim and back it up with scripture.

People in here will decide for themselves who is bearing false witness to the Word of God about the abomination or otherwise of homosexual sex.

i am supremly confident that those who are meek and genuinly seeking the truth will be guided as to who is standing for the Truth of God and who is standing for a lie of satan.:)


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