Homosexuality in the Bible

[Mister_T]

No of cource you can make the claim that i am a false Christian, as you have in this post. So make your claim and back it up with scripture

Ok

.Matthew 15:8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. 9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

All you do is preach the law to people; telling what they can and can't do and that you're SUPREMLEY right and everyone needs to think and be a "true" Christian just like you to see the pearly Gates. You tell people what to do and pass judgment on them.....just like the Pharisee's did. Your actions and your words show what kind of heart you possess.

Adstar said

One God loves the other God hates. We see in this very thread that there are decieved ones who reject the truth as pertaining to the abomination of the homosexual act. They love their decieved position and they hate the truth of the scripture. Therefore yes they will have eternity in the lake of fire

Mattew 7: 1-5 "Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brothers eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother 'Let me take the speck out of your eye' when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? you hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brothers"


Adstar said in another post:

But their comes a time when those who are opposed to the truth must be rejected. The homosexual act is an abomination to God and a sin. And those who commit such acts without regret or repentance after having been informed of the evil of their doings should be rejected.

There is no point having fellowship with those who call good what God has called evil.

And in doing this that person is bringing the knowledge of the evil of the homosexual act to the homosexual. This is good. The homosexual then has the option of agreeing with the word of God and repenting of it or they can stay in their rebellion against the Word of God.

Your views about homosexuals and people who don't share you views is well known. I don't need post anymore negetive and degrading comments you post about them.
12:33 - And to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love his neighbour as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices.
Lu 6:35 - But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.
Joh 13:34 - A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
Joh 13:35 - By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.
That last one says it all. I think that the majority of the people on this thread would agree that you love your self-righteousness more than anything. And you basically regard people who aren't exacty like you as abomonations or evil and/or Satan's footsoilders.

Are you a false Christian? I'll take a page from your book: Since you don't agree with me, then Yes. I'm completly right and you're wrong. I win. Give me proof. Even if it totally blows my argument (or lack of) out of the water, I'm still right and your still wrong. I follow Jesus. I'm right no matter what.

They love their decieved position

You sure do.

 

[Mister_T]

They love their decieved position and they hate the truth of the scripture

They love treating others with respect and dignity and dislike the self righteous individual who constantly places themselves on a pedestool above everyone else in attempt to justify his ignorance and satisfy his ego.

People in here will decide for themselves who is bearing false witness to the Word of God

I'm sure they already have

 

[jeffrey]

This is what turns people away from Christianity, the hollier then thou, I'm right, your wrong, I'm better then you attitude. What did Christ teach? Love everyone, and only if you are perfect, you can judge. They think they know more then God! They tell others how to live thier life, what is right and wrong for them, even when thier own life is full of "sin"... But of course, they do not want to see that. Running gays down is to much fun for them. Disgusting.

 

[sojourner]

Here's just one example of the hate and elitism I've found in this thread:

Two very different cats One God loves the other God hates.

How can God hate? God is love! God loves all of God's children, no matter what...even the people who insist that God hates some other people!

Come on over to the side of love. Join us. Be one of us. You know you want to.:dan:

 

[michel]

This is what turns people away from Christianity, the hollier then thou, I'm right, your wrong, I'm better then you attitude. What did Christ teach? Love everyone, and only if you are perfect, you can judge. They think they know more then God! They tell others how to live thier life, what is right and wrong for them, even when thier own life is full of "sin"... But of course, they do not want to see that. Running gays down is to much fun for them. Disgusting.

Here's just one example of the hate and elitism I've found in this thread:



How can God hate? God is love! God loves all of God's children, no matter what...even the people who insist that God hates some other people!

Come on over to the side of love. Join us. Be one of us. You know you want to.:dan:

Here here! Think how you would react if you found out one of your children was homosexual; I would support him as best I could.

 

[Adstar]

Well i was expecting the reactions to get progressively more and more hateful and more and more slander and lies would be hurled against me by those who seek to attack the man and not the idea. So be it.

.Matthew 15:8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. 9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

All you do is preach the law to people; telling what they can and can't do and that you're SUPREMLEY right and everyone needs to think and be a "true" Christian just like you to see the pearly Gates. You tell people what to do and pass judgment on them.....just like the Pharisee's did. Your actions and your words show what kind of heart you possess.

The teaching that the homosexual act is good is a teaching of man. The teaching that the homosexual act is an abomination comes from the Word of God. And you are false to say i only teach the Law. I have taught Love for my enemies and forgiveness through the Messiah Jesus as well as standing up for the truth of God upon this issue.

Mattew 7: 1-5 "Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brothers eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother 'Let me take the speck out of your eye' when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? you hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brothers"

I do not judge i warn.
No one will be sentenced to death or prison by me, No one will be executed by me. I take no part in carrying out punishment(judgements) in this world. But i will warn others out of LOVE for them. Because i want as many homosexuals as possible to be with God for eternity. The easy accepting love you give leads people to death Mr T. The hard truth that i give is LOVE because it will lead some to salvation.

12:33 - And to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love his neighbour as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices.
Lu 6:35 - But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.
Joh 13:34 - A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
Joh 13:35 - By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.

Yes and I Love Homosexuals. The first step to salvation is to come to the knowledge that one needs to be saved. And why they need to be saved. Telling a person that they are a sinner and pointing out to them what sin is, is a necessary step in letting them know why the Need Jesus as atonement for their sins. I do not place myself above people when i do this. I have already publicly confessed in here that i am a sinner. So the false allegation that i am somehow promoting myself as being morally superior to homosexuals is a slanderous lie and a typical tactic of one who has run out of arguments against the truth. Attack and seek to undermine the messenger if one cannot accept or handle the message being given.

They love their decieved position and they hate the truth of the scripture

They love treating others with respect and dignity and dislike the self righteous individual who constantly places themselves on a pedestool above everyone else in attempt to justify his ignorance and satisfy his ego.

No Mr T people like you do there best to twist the Word of God to make it more palatable with the standards of the non-believing peoples of the world.

What are you going to do Mr T when the world starts to accept paedophilia as something that people are born with? What are you going to do when they start having paedophile pride parades? Are you going to say Men with children love is ok with God because men who want to have sex with children are born that way? You know the argument, "if God thought it was evil then why would he allow people to be born with those desires?"



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[angellous_evangellous]

No Mr T people like you do there best to twist the Word of God to make it more palatable with the standards of the non-believing peoples of the world.

Even if this accusation were true, we can see the same thing being done by fundie wackos who want to rule the world with their life-sucking legalistic literal interpretations of select Bible verses.

That is, people who already pre-disposed to hate both homosexuals and homosexuality because of their homophobic tendacies are happy to have hyper-heterosexual readings of the Bible and use it to bash their homosexual nieghbors. So people who already hate homosexuals find texts that they think support the view that they aleady had.

 

[Adstar]

Here's just one example of the hate and elitism I've found in this thread:



How can God hate? God is love! God loves all of God's children, no matter what...even the people who insist that God hates some other people!

Come on over to the side of love. Join us. Be one of us. You know you want to.:dan:

Yes indeed God loves all His children. And all His children listen to His Word.



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[Adstar]

Even if this accusation were true, we can see the same thing being done by fundie wackos who want to rule the world with their life-sucking legalistic literal interpretations of select Bible verses.

That is, people who already pre-disposed to hate both homosexuals and homosexuality because of their homophobic tendacies are happy to have hyper-heterosexual readings of the Bible and use it to bash their homosexual nieghbors. So people who already hate homosexuals find texts that they think support the view that they aleady had.

Yes there are many ways to twist the Word of God. In both directions and to both extremes. People who hate homosexuals and take part in bashing homosexuals are not following the Words of Jesus to love their fellow man. They are as false Christians just like the ones the say that Men having sex with men is an acceptable thing to God.


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[sojourner]

Well i was expecting the reactions to get progressively more and more hateful and more and more slander and lies would be hurled against me by those who seek to attack the man and not the idea. So be it.



The teaching that the homosexual act is good is a teaching of man. The teaching that the homosexual act is an abomination comes from the Word of God. And you are false to say i only teach the Law. I have taught Love for my enemies and forgiveness through the Messiah Jesus as well as standing up for the truth of God upon this issue.



I do not judge i warn.
No one will be sentenced to death or prison by me, No one will be executed by me. I take no part in carrying out punishment(judgements) in this world. But i will warn others out of LOVE for them. Because i want as many homosexuals as possible to be with God for eternity. The easy accepting love you give leads people to death Mr T. The hard truth that i give is LOVE because it will lead some to salvation.





Yes and I Love Homosexuals. The first step to salvation is to come to the knowledge that one needs to be saved. And why they need to be saved. Telling a person that they are a sinner and pointing out to them what sin is, is a necessary step in letting them know why the Need Jesus as atonement for their sins. I do not place myself above people when i do this. I have already publicly confessed in here that i am a sinner. So the false allegation that i am somehow promoting myself as being morally superior to homosexuals is a slanderous lie and a typical tactic of one who has run out of arguments against the truth. Attack and seek to undermine the messenger if one cannot accept or handle the message being given.



No Mr T people like you do there best to twist the Word of God to make it more palatable with the standards of the non-believing peoples of the world.

What are you going to do Mr T when the world starts to accept paedophilia as something that people are born with? What are you going to do when they start having paedophile pride parades? Are you going to say Men with children love is ok with God because men who want to have sex with children are born that way? You know the argument, "if God thought it was evil then why would he allow people to be born with those desires?"



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In answer to what I've highlighted in red:

1) They already have Jesus' atonement. That's the good news. How do they respond to that good news is the question at hand.

2) Pedophiles are born that way...it's a sexual preference. The problem with pedophilia is that, in order to be sexually fulfilled, the pedophiliac must perpetrate a sexual act upon a person who is not ready for sex. It is predatory in nature. Not the same thing as sex between two adults who consent.

Let's be very, very clear about this: homosexuality, in and of itself, is not predatory, does not take advantage of, does not perpetrate itself upon another. Pedophilia does.

 

[Mister_T]

Well i was expecting the reactions to get progressively more and more hateful and more and more slander and lies would be hurled against me by those who seek to attack the man and not the idea. So be it.

I really don't have to say anything about you. You do a good job of damaging your own reputation.

Lets hear the Bible's definitions of love:

"But the LORD said to Samuel, '...The LORD does not look at the things man looks at. Man looks at the outward appearance, but the LORD looks at the heart.'"

4Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs

Read the underlined. Even though you'll turn a deaf ear to it and twist it.

I do not judge i warn.

Really?..........

One God loves the other God hates.
Therefore yes they will have eternity in the lake of fire

Sounds like judgment passed to me.

Yes and I Love Homosexuals

Hey gay people. Do you feel loved by this guy?

So the false allegation that i am somehow promoting myself as being morally superior to homosexuals is a slanderous lie

Lets see here.....rejecting gay people, telling gay people they're disgusting abomonations and that there revelations (whether true or not) are Garbage, telling others that they are false Christians (while implying that you're not), telling others that they will be cast into Hell for eternal tourment, etc. Proof is in the pudding.

What are you going to do Mr T when the world starts to accept paedophilia as something that people are born with? What are you going to do when they start having paedophile pride parades? Are you going to say Men with children love is ok with God because men who want to have sex with children are born that way? You know the argument, "if God thought it was evil then why would he allow people to be born with those desires?"

Ahh yes. The 'ol pedophile argument. There's a big difference between a pedophile and a gay couple. Gay couples give each other a mutual consent. Pedophile takes advantage of a child's naiveness and innocence. The pedophile violates a child while a gay couple is composed of 2 mature, willing, consenting adults. The pedophile argument holds no water and does not hold up to scrutiny. Of course you will not even consider anything I say and you will find a way in your own mind to twist things into saying that your being loving and to justify your behavior. I can slap a smile on all of my post, quote the Bible, call people false, act superior, and then say that I do it all in the name of God's love as well. That doesn't make you a "true" Christian.

a typical tactic of one who has run out of arguments against the truth

Truer words were never spoken.
Personally, I wouldn't call what you do arguing. It's more like "Here's a Bible passage. My interpretation is always right and everyone elses is garbage." Whether you're right or whether you're wrong, your actions speak for themselves.

For the record, I'm just doing what Jesus told me to do: To love everyone as I would love myself. Twsting? Not me. I'm just doing what God says to do By your method, I win. I'm right. You're not.

Anyways, back to the topic...................

 

[Dentonz]

For the record, I'm just doing what Jesus told me to do: To love everyone as I would love myself. Twsting? Not me. I'm just doing what God says to do By your method, I win. I'm right. You're not.

Anyways, back to the topic...................

Every body who hardens their heart to the truth of the Bible and the judgement that is clearly written uses this arguement.
" Jesus said to love everybody just like you love yourself " and " judge not lest ye be judged ".

Both of these arguements work against you. Any Christian who has ever been born again as Jesus commanded has come to the realization that they are a sinner. Why ?because the Bible says that they're a sinner. They have also repented of their sin, and turned from their wicked ways. So they have judged themselves and found wickedness that they had to get rid of to follow Christ. How could we do that unless someone tells us were wrong? If you all want to nit-pick interpretations and say "well it looks like it says this, but it really could possibly, maybe mean something else..."
If you have to even question whether something is a sin or not, you need to steer clear. We are told as Christians to abstain from even the appearance of evil. We're also told to not be stumbling block for our fellow believers.
We are to judge with the same measure that we want to be judged by. Go ahead, if you think I'm being judgemental, use my own criterea to judge me. The criterea is the word of God. And if we love ourselves we will examine our lives and see if there is anything that God doesn't approve of. If there is; we must get rid of it or suffer the judgment for our own stupidity.

 

[sojourner]

Every body who hardens their heart to the truth of the Bible and the judgement that is clearly written uses this arguement.
" Jesus said to love everybody just like you love yourself " and " judge not lest ye be judged ".

Both of these arguements work against you. Any Christian who has ever been born again as Jesus commanded has come to the realization that they are a sinner. Why ?because the Bible says that they're a sinner. They have also repented of their sin, and turned from their wicked ways. So they have judged themselves and found wickedness that they had to get rid of to follow Christ. How could we do that unless someone tells us were wrong? If you all want to nit-pick interpretations and say "well it looks like it says this, but it really could possibly, maybe mean something else..."
If you have to even question whether something is a sin or not, you need to steer clear. We are told as Christians to abstain from even the appearance of evil. We're also told to not be stumbling block for our fellow believers.
We are to judge with the same measure that we want to be judged by. Go ahead, if you think I'm being judgemental, use my own criterea to judge me. The criterea is the word of God. And if we love ourselves we will examine our lives and see if there is anything that God doesn't approve of. If there is; we must get rid of it or suffer the judgment for our own stupidity.

The criteria is your interpretation of the word of God.

Most Christian homosexuals don't question whether their sexuality is right or wrong. They know it's right, and they know it's how God made them. To live as less than God created one is to live in sin.

Your interpretation is a literalistic one. Therefore, the "mixed cloth" passage is just as valid for you as the one about homosexuality. Do you wear cotton/poly shirts? Then you are as abominable before the Lord as a homosexual. That's my judgment, using your criteria.

 

[Dentonz]

The criteria is your interpretation of the word of God.

Most Christian homosexuals don't question whether their sexuality is right or wrong. They know it's right, and they know it's how God made them. To live as less than God created one is to live in sin.

Your interpretation is a literalistic one. Therefore, the "mixed cloth" passage is just as valid for you as the one about homosexuality. Do you wear cotton/poly shirts? Then you are as abominable before the Lord as a homosexual. That's my judgment, using your criteria.

The "mixed cloth" arguement has to do with physical cleanliness. Such as women being unclean seven days out of the month. If you read Leviticus you'll find numerous laws that pertain to uncleanliness. Uncleanliness is not an abomination. Everything that is an abomination to God is still an abomination. You did not get judged for uncleanliness, you were just not allowed to enter into the temple of God. Jesus opened up the temple for us Christians because we are washed clean by his blood. But we will be judged if we continue to live in sin.

 

[Pah]

Every body who hardens their heart to the truth of the Bible and the judgement that is clearly written uses this arguement.
" Jesus said to love everybody just like you love yourself " and " judge not lest ye be judged ".

Both of these arguements work against you. Any Christian who has ever been born again as Jesus commanded has come to the realization that they are a sinner. Why ?because the Bible says that they're a sinner. They have also repented of their sin, and turned from their wicked ways. So they have judged themselves and found wickedness that they had to get rid of to follow Christ. How could we do that unless someone tells us were wrong? If you all want to nit-pick interpretations and say "well it looks like it says this, but it really could possibly, maybe mean something else..."
If you have to even question whether something is a sin or not, you need to steer clear. We are told as Christians to abstain from even the appearance of evil. We're also told to not be stumbling block for our fellow believers.
We are to judge with the same measure that we want to be judged by. Go ahead, if you think I'm being judgemental, use my own criterea to judge me. The criterea is the word of God. And if we love ourselves we will examine our lives and see if there is anything that God doesn't approve of. If there is; we must get rid of it or suffer the judgment for our own stupidity.

I put forward to you the question of the overweight man. Is it gluttony that you see when he walks down the street? Or is it a medical condition? Do you go up to talk with him about the cause of his being overweighgt? Or do you sit back and judge either glutton or illness. It is aborrant and anti-scriptual to make judgements when only God can see into a heart or mind from a distance.

 

[Mister_T]

We are to judge with the same measure that we want to be judged by

Ok. So you want to be judged. No problem. I can do that. Pointing out others sins and preaching biblical law is what Pharisee's did. You're (not you in paticular) doing the same thing they were.

Go ahead, if you think I'm being judgemental

I do.

use my own criterea to judge me

Nah. I'd rather use this one.

The criterea is the word of God

Let's see here. Jesus condemned the Pharisee's for preaching the law and telling people how horrible, evil, and awful they were because people(the one's being preached to) were not doing and following exactley like the Pharisee's were(the law preachers). And because the people were not like them, they were not good enough to make it to Heaven. Jesus called them Hypocrites and condemned their actions.

People are preaching to homosexuals about the Biblical law of sexual relations and using the law as authority to call them derogatory names and teling them they aren't "good enough" to make it into God's kingdom and they're ruining society.

You're right. The criteria is the word of God.

Oh. I've noticed most of the passages being used against homosexuals are from Paul's letters or relation to. What was Paul before he met Jesus on the road?......A Pharisee.
There's some food for thought.

And if we love ourselves we will examine our lives and see if there is anything that God doesn't approve of

I wish more Christians would do so.

If there is; we must get rid of it

I wish they'd do that too.

or suffer the judgment for our own stupidity.

Read the thread Is Christianity picked on. This is already happening.

Oh. That quote that you quoted me on; I was not being serious. I was merely trying to show how ridiculous it is to use that method as an argument.

 

[Adstar]

Most Christian homosexuals don't question whether their sexuality is right or wrong. They know it's right, and they know it's how God made them. To live as less than God created one is to live in sin.

Isaiah 5
20 Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; Who put darkness for light, and light for darkness; Who put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

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[Adstar]

You're right. The criteria is the word of God.

Oh. I've noticed most of the passages being used against homosexuals are from Paul's letters or relation to. What was Paul before he met Jesus on the road?......A Pharisee.
There's some food for thought.

Yes when the Word of God conflicts with your own beliefs you seek to undermine it. Paul was a Holy Spirit guided prophet of God He gave the truth. You measure The Word of God by your standards and declare it false what vanity, what arrogance, what pride.


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[Sunstone]

Isaiah 5
20 Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; Who put darkness for light, and light for darkness; Who put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

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Cute. But are you disagreeing with the point made, "To live as less than God created one is to live in sin"? If so, why do you disagree with this?

 

[Adstar]

Cute. But are you disagreeing with the point made, "To live as less than God created one is to live in sin"? If so, why do you disagree with this?

No it's not cute it is the Word of God. I disagree with people calling Evil, Good and that is what sojourner did by using those words to promote homosexual sex.


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