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Homosexuality & Religion

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
if ur father did that or was homosexual, now, u wouldnt be here ...
If my father hadn't moved to Canada, I wouldn't be here.

Have you moved to Canada?

Oh I think this is a perfectly valid point. (not just because it's popular in my household).

The hypocrisy of men who decry Gay males as "squicky" yet will drool idiotically over fantasy versions of lesbians is very telling IMHO.

Not to mention, they are fine for males personal wish fulfillment, but they can't have rights to live beyond that fantasy.

wa:do
I think some of that might stem from certain sexist ideas of the hierarchy of genders: if a woman wants to "take the role of a man", she's seen as taking a move up the ladder... an understandable thing to want to do. If a man wants to "take the role of a woman", then it's a step down the ladder.

When I encounter people who are okay with female homosexuality but condemn male homosexuality, I can't help but think it's rooted in the idea of women being inferior.
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
If my father hadn't moved to Canada, I wouldn't be here.

Have you moved to Canada?


I think some of that might stem from certain sexist ideas of the hierarchy of genders: if a woman wants to "take the role of a man", she's seen as taking a move up the ladder... an understandable thing to want to do. If a man wants to "take the role of a woman", then it's a step down the ladder.

When I encounter people who are okay with female homosexuality but condemn male homosexuality, I can't help but think it's rooted in the idea of women being inferior.

I think the double standard stems the perception that lesbianism is still feminine while male homosexuality is emasculate.
 

Pegg

Jehovah our God is One
1) Why do you think God or Allah or whoever you believe in would denounce homosexuality? What harm does it do to God?

what I, or anyone else, thinks about it is irrelevant...if what you want to know is what 'God' thinks about it, then the answer is simple

God opposes homosexuality because, among other things, it does not benefit the individual. This fact is expressed in the apostle Paul’s letter to Christians where he said:

“That is why God gave them up to disgraceful sexual appetites, for both their females changed the natural use of themselves into one contrary to nature; and likewise even the males left the natural use of the female..."

2) Does God think homosexual acts in non-human species is also an abomination?

The bible does not speak about animals and their sexual behavior so its not possible to know for sure.
However, human 'immoral' sexual behavior is 'likened' to animal behavior and for that reason I would have to conclude that humans were expected to exhibit a standard of morals and ethics which animals were not.
 

blackout

Violet.
The Christians say, "But it's not natural!" So you show them that homosexuality has been observed in practically every species of mammal and bird, and they say, "But we can't act like animals!"

HAHA! That IS funny!:D
People are so funny.
or...
they would be anyway,
if they weren't so busy trouncing on the rights of others,
forceably trying to make other people
"be like them" or
follow their own "rules".
 

Pegg

Jehovah our God is One
Then why the heck-a-roo did he create them like that?! :eek:

God created humans a long time ago, Adam and Eve were perfect, but their children (us) were not. Imperfection has caused our biology to change somewhat, but that doesnt mean that God creates the changes.

I dont believe all homosexuals are 'born' homosexuals, however i think we have to acknowledge that there is some degree of 'biological' activity going on for 'some'.... im speaking about hermaphrodites here, we know they exist and we know that it is a biological issue but i dont believe ALL homosexuals are biologically affected. For others, there may be some hormonal issues that cause them to lean toward homosexuality and I think that also needs to be acknowledged, but I think we have the ability to correct our impulses if we want to. I personally know 3 homosexuals who were able to cease living a homosexual lifestyle by choice.
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
God created humans a long time ago, Adam and Eve were perfect, but their children (us) were not. Imperfection has caused our biology to change somewhat, but that doesnt mean that God creates the changes.

I dont believe all homosexuals are 'born' homosexuals, however i think we have to acknowledge that there is some degree of 'biological' activity going on for 'some'.... im speaking about hermaphrodites here, we know they exist and we know that it is a biological issue but i dont believe ALL homosexuals are biologically affected. For others, there may be some hormonal issues that cause them to lean toward homosexuality and I think that also needs to be acknowledged, but I think we have the ability to correct our impulses if we want to. I personally know 3 homosexuals who were able to cease living a homosexual lifestyle by choice.

What I don't understand is....why the **** does it really matter?
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
it doesnt matter to those who are not concerned with God

To those who are concerned with God, it matters to them because it matters to him.

The question is; how do we separate the real god from the cartoon caricature that those such as yourself taut as the real god?
 
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Pegg

Jehovah our God is One
The question is; how do we separate the real god from the cartoon caricature that those such as yourself taut as the read god?

well i think the search for God is a personal thing. For me, the God of the bible is the real God for the reason that he led the Isrealites for so long...a whole nation witnessed him and his own son testified about him

Im not convinced that the other gods of the nations are real, I think there is enough evidence that the God of the bible Jehovah is the one who has proved himself and for that reason i follow him. How other people determine which God is a true God, i dont know, but for me it comes down to 'what has he done for mankind' and I think the God of the bible has done far more then any other 'so called' god.
 

Pegg

Jehovah our God is One
Neato. Such as?

consider first that it wasnt God who put us in the situation we are in today, ie imperfection, sin, sickness, death and all the things in between which makes life miserable here on earth

but he has put all the mechanisms into place to get us out of this situation. Right at the beginning of mankinds fall he determined a course of action that would eventually see that redemption take place. That redemption is available to anyone who wants it and its being universally proclaimed to all people.
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
consider first that it wasnt God who put us in the situation we are in today, ie imperfection, sin, sickness, death and all the things in between which makes life miserable here on earth

but he has put all the mechanisms into place to get us out of this situation. Right at the beginning of mankinds fall he determined a course of action that would eventually see that redemption take place. That redemption is available to anyone who wants it and its being universally proclaimed to all people.

What a cheeky scheme.
 

Diederick

Active Member
I thought I'd combine the marvellous comments in this thread in one big reply. This all seems terribly familiar (how many homosexuality-threads does this one make? 4...5?).
Well, homosexuals are more likely to adopt that heteros. It can also keep population growth down. Other than that I do not see any other benefits.
Since when does a minority have to prove its purpose to the rest of the world? But to answer the question: there are various theories on a biological purpose, from being natural adoption-parents to forming a depolarizing factor in society.
what I, or anyone else, thinks about it is irrelevant...if what you want to know is what 'God' thinks about it, then the answer is simple
God opposes homosexuality because, among other things, it does not benefit the individual. This fact is expressed in the apostle Paul’s letter to Christians where he said:
“That is why God gave them up to disgraceful sexual appetites, for both their females changed the natural use of themselves into one contrary to nature; and likewise even the males left the natural use of the female..."
The bible does not speak about animals and their sexual behavior so its not possible to know for sure.
However, human 'immoral' sexual behavior is 'likened' to animal behavior and for that reason I would have to conclude that humans were expected to exhibit a standard of morals and ethics which animals were not.
That is your interpretation of God's word. A Letter To Louise paints a very different version, but still from a Christian perspective. The main suggestion is that in all counts where the Bible speaks of same-sex sexual activity are occasions of lustful sins by (straight) people because of their Godlessness - not actual homosexuality. Also, the word homosexual did not exist in those days, it was put in the Bible centuries later... ...wiggle room for closed minds.
i guess god is doing this to protect us , homosexuality is not health , nor random unlawful sex with a male or female , its all just wrong wrong.
Lust is a sin, of course. But homosexuality is just as lustful as heterosexuality is. Homosexuals can just as easily engage in respectful, responsible relationships which would make God proud. And health has nothing to do with it, unsafe sex is not related to sexual orientation.
As an atheist homosexuality is a failure in that it is self extinguishing. You cannot breed by definition if you are truely homosexual, therefore it will have no net benefit or deficit to the human condition. it is basically irrelevant, confined to the temporary position of local minority gratification.
Cheers
A very narrow view for an atheist. Try looking into it before posting your views next time, it'd save us the time of offering you the correction. Which I am not going to present because you didn't put an effort in this subject either.
Because they mix poo with sex?
Fetishes are unrelated to sexual orientation, it's not just asian lesbians who do sexy with doodoo.
It is an indulgent of the flesh, It goes against the natural order of things, such as God making a rock weigh nothing on a planet like earth, its not "Right". Dont know about non human, but imo if they were taught it is wrong( they were not) then it is wrong for them.
Why does everyone keep talking about sex!? As if that is all sexuality is... OF COURSE your narrow straight mind can't work around having sex with the same gender, but that is your loss and lack of empathic ability. Homosexuality is never talked about in the Bible, because the term didn't exist in those days. Every instance it is the author ******** on how Godlessness gets people into sinful rages among which a sexual lust which evaporates preference for man or woman.
The polar bear ,wolf,etc, will sometimes eat there young, If humans did that it would be considered a sin, amongst other things.
The God of the penguins will probably say the same about humans: we slaughter eachother because of turf wars or because of the different malevolent placebo's we 'believe' in, and we destroy the very planet we all live on.
evreything has made in balance, what kind of benife we can get from homosexuality? its a kind of sickness .... think , if all people do that , what will happen to us? of course, human being gonna vanish on this earth ... be logic mix
Fortunately not all people are born homosexual. But I think, if they would, it would be great, from a Humanistic perspective. We would make babies in laboratories, under perfect conditions, which automatically lets lesser countries die out because they haven't the technological power to sustain their population. The crisis surrounding global warming will vanish because we don't need to farm and move as much as we do now since there will be less people. The only problem is that there might appear a polarization between men and women...

And again: why do homosexuals have to prove their purpose in society?
if ur father did that or was homosexual, now, u wouldnt be here ...
Excellent point. Fortunately, if my father was gay I wouldn't be here worrying about your proposition. I'm gay and my future son will grow up in a good home with two people of which I am not one. Would I not be a sperm donor, my future son doesn't exist and so can't be bothered with his in-existence. Not existing seems like bliss, also...
 

painted wolf

Grey Muzzle
I feel so sorry for people who get pressured into being someone other than who they are when they weren't hurting anybody. :(

This kind of crap ruins lives.
Absolutely... though they could actually be Bi.

Somehow if they were at the 100% gay end of the spectrum, I doubt the "choice" is going to hold.

wa:do
 

MW0082

Jesus 4 Profit.... =)~
:rolleyes:
Absolutely... though they could actually be Bi.

Somehow if they were at the 100% gay end of the spectrum, I doubt the "choice" is going to hold.

wa:do
Agreed, and this is sad. Why would a straight person care if there are homosexuals out there? Care so much they hunt them out and try to change them.... sad sad sad people
 

Meow Mix

Chatte Féministe
And they wonder why homosexual teens have a higher suicide rate... DUH. They have the various religions around them telling them God hates a part of them, other kids who believe that God hates homosexuality tease and torture them, their own parents sometimes disown them or try to change them... NO WONDER they see little hope in humanity when those around them don't treat them as humans!
 

tomato1236

Ninja Master
:rolleyes:
Agreed, and this is sad. Why would a straight person care if there are homosexuals out there? Care so much they hunt them out and try to change them.... sad sad sad people

Straight people hunt gay people to try to change them? That's bizarre.
 
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