Homosexuality

[MSizer]

Why are you stopping in 1973. That is over 35 years ago. Keep going ..

They finally had to admit in a politically correct document that they could not find a gene. That is part of the last one. There is one more before that in the 90s

Yes but we have learned since that genes don't work that way. Just like they're learning that not single areas but combinations of areas in the brain work in concert to create our mental abilities, combinations of genes work together for many of our traits. That there is not single gay gene is not evidence that homosexuality is a choice.

 

[Kerr]

Of course it redefines marriage. ss "marriage" is an oxymoron. Every time people vote on it, they reject it.
Activist courts and judicial fiat are not impressive.

Even the supreme court of California had to surrender to the will of the people.
:faint:

It is not an oxymoron anymore then same sex parents. And to be honest, if you have to redefine marriage in order for two people who loves each other to commit for life then that is what has to be done.

 

[AxisMundi]

When nothing else work, attack religion and use the "hate" argument .

"Turning the other cheek" is a Christian thing, something very few practice.

In my book, a hater shoudl be attacked, drug out into the burning sunlight, and shown for the hater they are. Nothing wrong with hating a hater.

BTW, we aren't the one's on the defensive in this argument, you and your religion are.

Why not use common sense ?

Let us know when you plan on using some.

 

[Kerr]

When nothing else work, attack religion and use the "hate" argument . Why not use common sense ?

Common sense would be a good way to realize there was more behind the post in question then that nothing else works.

 

[AxisMundi]

Yes, religious dogmas are not permitted to be made laws, but somehow it happens anyway. The Republican party is the most uncostitutional thing there is

When a vast majority gets behind something, our very Founding Document and Principles, and the Laws they create, are set aside.

The inclusion of religion and religious doctrine in our government's is a result of this, but Christians are steadily loosing that vast majority and will become a minority within a few decades.

 

[Rainbow Mage]

What I want to know is how can Soliel make all these broad-brush statements about gay people, like we're going against our natural makeup? If heterosexuality was my makeup I'd be attracted to women sexually.

 

[Autodidact]

Of course it redefines marriage.

Nope.

ss "marriage" is an oxymoron.

Nope.

Every time people vote on it, they reject it.

Activist courts and judicial fiat are not impressive.

Like, say, Brown v Baord of Education? Why do hate America?

 

[Autodidact]

Why are you stopping in 1973. That is over 35 years ago. Keep going ..

They finally had to admit in a politically correct document that they could not find a gene. That is part of the last one. There is one more before that in the 90s

Still waiting on the source for your assertion. Thanks in advance.

 

[soleil10]

The only Trojans introduced into this topic are your own, as well as the strawmen you bring.
Vermont 4.2; Mass 2.5; DC 2.4; Conn 2.3; Iowa 3.1; NH 4.3.
States that recognize ss marriage - NY 3.4; RI 3.2; Maryland 3.4.
The national average is 4.1. Do the math.
Divorce Rate by state. Definition, graph and map.

If you look at the whole picture: marriage average age, average income, % of people being married, races mix, education level , you get the real picture. What you show is just propaganda.
If I say that DC has a 3% HIV infection rate similar to African countries how does that look ?

Marriage has been defined as between one man, several women; one man-one woman of the same race; arranged only; and indeed in several cultures, including the peoples on this continent before Europeans, including people of the same gender.
Polygamy is illigal in this country, there are other marital restrictions.

Read my post on the "beyond marriage manifesto" , it shows how ss "marriage" is just a trojan horse to destroy marriage.
Places like Scandianvia are down to 35% marriage rate. We call it marriage dissolution. That is the plan so you can validate homosexuality.

There is no "definition of marriage" except as that created by a culture/society, and our own "definition of marriage" has evolved in our own Nation's history as well.

It has always been between a man and a woman. That is the core of marriage Your so called redefinitions are just bogus propaganda.

Colonial Love and Marriage
BTW, those people you love to hate because they show your bigotry to you, the APA, has found, through clinical rwesearch, that children raised in a household with two parenting figures of the same gender suffer no ill effects.

One more bogus claim. During the last prop 8 , they could not produce one study involving homosexual men and the studies with lesbians where quite limited.
You cant measure such a change over just a few years and these studies cannnot be done just by ss advocates with small samples.
I am not saying that everyone can be a good parent but there is a unique love that only a father or a mother provide.
True love would never deprive a child from a father or a mother's love. It is against nature
Your "love to hate" syndrom is just a disgrace !!

Sexual Orientation, Parents, & Children

Finally, no one is trying to change YOUR "definition of marriage". Christians will still e able to hold their cerimonies as they see fit, to whom they see fit. But as 1. Religious Doctrine is (supposed) forbidden from being turned into US Law, and 2. marriage is a civil contract that some Americans prefer to enact utilizing a religious wedding cerimony, there simply is no valid,s ecular reason to deny gays Equality of Marriage in a secular setting and/or those churches/religions that see homosexuals for what they are, perfectly normal human beings.

Religious liberty, freedom of conscience and freedom of speech are not limited to a few ceremonies inside of a church building. Communist Russia did that too
Thes ss "marriage' laws violate religious freedom, freedom of conscience and freeodm of speech. Basically they make homosexuality the state religion that no one can critisized. So many court cases are now prooving that what I am saying is true. It is totally un American and it will not fly

Nothing wrong with hating a hater.

At least here you are honest from your side on this one. You justify your hate and want the law to enforce it.

 

[Rainbow Mage]

So now it's hate to want the law to protect gay citizens from hate speech and hate crimes?

 

[Autodidact]

One more bogus claim. During the last prop 8 , they could not produce one study involving homosexual men and the studies with lesbians where quite limited.
You cant measure such a change over just a few years and these studies cannnot be done just by ss advocates with small samples.
I am not saying that everyone can be a good parent but there is a unique love that only a father or a mother provide.
True love would never deprive a child from a father or a mother's love. It is against nature

This is factually false. Would you like to start a thread to debate it? This one is pretty far OT.

 

[MSizer]

If you look at the whole picture: marriage average age, average income, % of people being married, races mix, education level , you get the real picture. What you show is just propaganda.
If I say that DC has a 3% HIV infection rate similar to African countries how does that look ?


Read my post on the "beyond marriage manifesto" , it shows how ss "marriage" is just a trojan horse to destroy marriage.
Places like Scandianvia are down to 35% marriage rate. We call it marriage dissolution. That is the plan so you can validate homosexuality.



It has always been between a man and a woman. That is the core of marriage Your so called redefinitions are just bogus propaganda.



One more bogus claim. During the last prop 8 , they could not produce one study involving homosexual men and the studies with lesbians where quite limited.
You cant measure such a change over just a few years and these studies cannnot be done just by ss advocates with small samples.
I am not saying that everyone can be a good parent but there is a unique love that only a father or a mother provide.
True love would never deprive a child from a father or a mother's love. It is against nature
Your "love to hate" syndrom is just a disgrace !!


Religious liberty, freedom of conscience and freedom of speech are not limited to a few ceremonies inside of a church building. Communist Russia did that too
Thes ss "marriage' laws violate religious freedom, freedom of conscience and freeodm of speech. Basically they make homosexuality the state religion that no one can critisized. So many court cases are now prooving that what I am saying is true. It is totally un American and it will not fly


At least here you are honest from your side on this one. You justify your hate and want the law to enforce it.

This is really starting to make me think of creationism. The reason is that when it comes to creationism, much like here in this thread, the claims are so completely off base that it's difficult to argue with them not because they're substantial but that they are utterly devoid of sense.

 

[AxisMundi]

What I want to know is how can Soliel make all these broad-brush statements about gay people, like we're going against our natural makeup? If heterosexuality was my makeup I'd be attracted to women sexually.

There are a number of reasons for this reaction, I have noticed.

Some people don't wish to be seen "less the Christian" for excepting gays for who they are. Oddly these aren't limited to the YECer crowd who take the entirety of their bible seriously.

Other people don't wish to be seen as "less the conservative/Republican", since the religious right (which is neither) have politicized the issue.

Another reason is simple sexual insecurity, coupled with a fear of seeming "less the hetero". Another manifestation of this concept is, of course, an insecure person being threatened by homosexuals.

Gay simply attacks some people on multiple levels.

 

[soleil10]

What I want to know is how can Soliel make all these broad-brush statements about gay people, like we're going against our natural makeup? If heterosexuality was my makeup I'd be attracted to women sexually.

That is a good question. I am afraid that if I start on that one, I will spend 2 months on this thread becausethe atmosphere of this forum is not friendly
Same sex attractions are a consequence of the human fall. We have a fallen nature and an original nature. Homosexuality is fundamentally a spiritual problem.

I am sure you are not doing all the things that you are attracted to or would like to do. Why ?
Unless you see clearly that it is wrong, that desire will dominate you and keep coming

On this forum there are people that will support your ss attractions and justify their own. It is not a good place to be for you. This thread attracts also many spirits that are hoping for you to get deeper in the homosexual life style.

Most people are not aware of the spiritual forces around them.

After this post, I will be ridicule, just watch

 

[MSizer]

...After this post, I will be ridicule, just watch

What else do you expect? I can be a prophet too you know. I'll go outside and start screaming "women are useful for nothing more than sex" and I'll have people getting angry at me and making fun of me. You wait and see, it will happen, 'cuz I know these things. That's the price those among us pay for being ahead of our time and daringly truthful.

 

[Kerr]

That is a good question. I am afraid that if I start on that one, I will spend 2 months on this in the atmosphere of this forums.
Same sex attractions is a consequence of the fall. We have a fallen nature and an original nature. Homosexuality is fundamentally a spiritual problem.

I am sure you are not doing all the things that you are attracted to or would like to do. Why ?
Unless you see clearly that it is wrong, that desire will dominate you and keep coming

On this forum there are people that will support you ss attractions. It is not a good place to be for you. This thread attracts also many spirits that are hoping for you to get deeper in the homosexual life style.

Most people are not aware of the spiritual forces around them.

After this post, I will be ridicule, just watch

It is not a spiritual problem. It is not even a problem. The issue lies with all the prejudice and ignorance that exist about homosexuality.

 

[Kerr]

That is a good question. I am afraid that if I start on that one, I will spend 2 months on this thread becausethe atmosphere of this forum is not friendly
Same sex attractions are a consequence of the human fall. We have a fallen nature and an original nature. Homosexuality is fundamentally a spiritual problem.

I am sure you are not doing all the things that you are attracted to or would like to do. Why ?
Unless you see clearly that it is wrong, that desire will dominate you and keep coming

On this forum there are people that will support your ss attractions and justify their own. It is not a good place to be for you. This thread attracts also many spirits that are hoping for you to get deeper in the homosexual life style.

Most people are not aware of the spiritual forces around them.

After this post, I will be ridicule, just watch

And there are no "the" homosexual lifestyle, by the way.

 

[soleil10]

This is really starting to make me think of creationism. The reason is that when it comes to creationism, much like here in this thread, the claims are so completely off base that it's difficult to argue with them not because they're substantial but that they are utterly devoid of sense.

That is the typical answer when someone cant respond.
By the way sleeping with other women is adultery.
You are just a thief.

What you are doing is devoid of sense and off base

 

[Kerr]

That is the typical answer when someone cant respond.
By the way sleeping with other women is adultery.
You are just a thief.

What you are doing is devoid of sense and off base

Wait a second... I don´t get your post, why did you write something that has nothing to do with anything in this context ?

 

[AxisMundi]

If you look at the whole picture: marriage average age, average income, % of people being married, races mix, education level , you get the real picture. What you show is just propaganda.
If I say that DC has a 3% HIV infection rate similar to African countries how does that look ?

What I linked to was an apolitical source not linked to any agenda. Face it, you've got nothing to stand on.

Read my post on the "beyond marriage manifesto" , it shows how ss "marriage" is just a trojan horse to destroy marriage.
Places like Scandianvia are down to 35% marriage rate. We call it marriage dissolution. That is the plan so you can validate homosexuality.

And 9/11 was carried out by federal agents in black helicopters. Do you, perhaps, feel an inate need to buy a copy of "Catcher in the Rye" when you see them?

I'd ask you to prove all of this, but I can expect only the fantasies you've offered to date.

"Christian" marriage remains perfectly uneffected at all in those Nations and US States that have broken with the barbaric mentality you forward, the oppression of a minority.

It has always been between a man and a woman. That is the core of marriage Your so called redefinitions are just bogus propaganda.

So some cultures never had polygamy? So Berdache is a made up term and the 1st nations people of the Americas didn't find ss couples abhorent or unnatural?

You need to read some history books there, neighbor.

One more bogus claim. During the last prop 8 , they could not produce one study involving homosexual men and the studies with lesbians where quite limited.
You cant measure such a change over just a few years and these studies cannnot be done just by ss advocates with small samples.
I am not saying that everyone can be a good parent but there is a unique love that only a father or a mother provide.
True love would never deprive a child from a father or a mother's love. It is against nature
Your "love to hate" syndrom is just a disgrace !!

Feel free to point out where I suggested anything concerning "studies" in relation to Prop 8.

BTW, homosexuality occurs in Nature, and has been present in human beings since day one, so it is indeed "natural".

Religious liberty, freedom of conscience and freedom of speech are not limited to a few ceremonies inside of a church building. Communist Russia did that too
Thes ss "marriage' laws violate religious freedom, freedom of conscience and freeodm of speech. Basically they make homosexuality the state religion that no one can critisized. So many court cases are now prooving that what I am saying is true. It is totally un American and it will not fly

Equality of Marriage laws do not effect anyone's religious freedoms or rights in any manner whatsoever.

You have six states to choose from in proving your statements.

At least here you are honest from your side on this one. You justify your hate and want the law to enforce it.

Indeed, I am open about my hostility towards bigots and haters. I do not try to hide it behind pseudo-intellectualism as you do, nor do I attempt to explain it away either.