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Honesty?
- Thread starter Nakosis
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If God, I choose B.
Start with oneself, otherwise all the rest is window-dressing. As pointed out, it usually takes effort to keep up with and track even the slightest untruth, with even such being noticed by others so as for them to question your overall truthfulness. But we all tend to lie in little or big ways if the circumstances arise - mostly as to not telling the truth so as to not offend others. Usually it is pretty plain as to whether people lie as soon as they open their mouths. Possibly some of you will have met those who continually exaggerate, or name drop at every opportunity. 
firedragon
Veteran Member
Why is honesty good?
Is it because a God told us not to lie?
Or are their real benefits in being honest.
Should we always try to be honest?
Are their times when being honest is bad?
This guy Jordan Peterson has some words to say about honesty in his book. Good read.
amorphous_constellation
Well-Known Member
I make records of my tarot drawings, (marseilles deck) and write notes on what I think they mean. Although I believe that one I dismissed, perhaps in frustration, without recording it, may have been the following: A reversed fool, followed by the moon. What does this mean?
There are 22 major arcana: the fool is the first, and the world is the last. The fool seems to keep building on himself, over the course of the card progression. I think if honesty was not embedded in that journey, in a deep way, then the protagonist could not reach the world. And each arcana seems like a door to finding more of it, among other things.
However, the moon seems especially rooted in the idea of reflection. And the card is a strange dream of a card, so it may have something to do with subconscious reflection, and I guess it's possible that in understanding such a thing, that perhaps 'honesty' is the product
Obviously in the card, it seems to be reflecting brightly off of a very large lake. In fact, it even illuminates a creature in that lake, which happens to be a gigantic crab animal. And that animal represents, I guess, the core creature within one's mind. It is an ambidextrous, symmetrical, creative, stark and freakish mental tool; a living and breathing soul animal of the brain. But it lies in the lake perfectly still, waiting to be properly respected by the human who owns it.
What I mean is that by being reversed, the fool seems to want to evade, hide, and not accept the existence of the reflective moon, and the wonderful creature. He is facing the other way, opposite the scene of the moon, to the tarot reader's left. In fact, it is almost like he is walking on the dark side of the moon: the ground he walks on consists of a gnarly, moonish blue soil, where a piece of yellow sun-drenched soil hits his left heel.
To avoid letting the moon show him what he is, the fool hides on it. If the fool allowed himself to see what the moon illuminated, that might be a sort of ultimate form of auto-honesty?
There are 22 major arcana: the fool is the first, and the world is the last. The fool seems to keep building on himself, over the course of the card progression. I think if honesty was not embedded in that journey, in a deep way, then the protagonist could not reach the world. And each arcana seems like a door to finding more of it, among other things.
However, the moon seems especially rooted in the idea of reflection. And the card is a strange dream of a card, so it may have something to do with subconscious reflection, and I guess it's possible that in understanding such a thing, that perhaps 'honesty' is the product
Obviously in the card, it seems to be reflecting brightly off of a very large lake. In fact, it even illuminates a creature in that lake, which happens to be a gigantic crab animal. And that animal represents, I guess, the core creature within one's mind. It is an ambidextrous, symmetrical, creative, stark and freakish mental tool; a living and breathing soul animal of the brain. But it lies in the lake perfectly still, waiting to be properly respected by the human who owns it.
What I mean is that by being reversed, the fool seems to want to evade, hide, and not accept the existence of the reflective moon, and the wonderful creature. He is facing the other way, opposite the scene of the moon, to the tarot reader's left. In fact, it is almost like he is walking on the dark side of the moon: the ground he walks on consists of a gnarly, moonish blue soil, where a piece of yellow sun-drenched soil hits his left heel.
To avoid letting the moon show him what he is, the fool hides on it. If the fool allowed himself to see what the moon illuminated, that might be a sort of ultimate form of auto-honesty?
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Trailblazer
Veteran Member
My religion teaches that truth is the foundation of all the virtues and lying is the foundation of all evil.
Why is honesty good?
Is it because a God told us not to lie?
Or are their real benefits in being honest.
Should we always try to be honest?
Are their times when being honest is bad?
“Consider that the worst of qualities and most odious of attributes, which is the foundation of all evil, is lying. No worse or more blameworthy quality than this can be imagined to exist; it is the destroyer of all human perfections, and the cause of innumerable vices. There is no worse characteristic than this; it is the foundation of all evils.” Bahá’í World Faith, p. 321
Once a person has lied to me I cannot trust them anymore.
When someone is caught doing something and I call them out on it, and then they lie about their intentions just to cover their ***, I cannot trust that person anymore. If they are capable of lying once they are capable of lying again. I was married for 37 years and my husband only lied to me once and that was to avoid embarrassment, but he came clean when I told him what I knew and he was ashamed.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
I always lie and that's the honest truth!
Why is honesty good?
Is it because a God told us not to lie?
Or are their real benefits in being honest.
Should we always try to be honest?
Are their times when being honest is bad?
To me honesty is a divine trait. Or to express it in a different way an attribute of the divine is honesty.
Being honest means aligning yourself with the divine. And on a mundane level being honest is part of being trustworthy which is worth something in this world.
When I first started my spiritual search, I asked someone how can I be 100% honest. To summarize some back and forth, the first question is what is true honesty.
If you love someone, being honest means you have to express your love for that person because otherwise you are lying about your love. If you love someone, you want to make that person happy. To make that person unhappy with your comment denies your love.
I add to that that there's no need to give an answer to a question and there's no need to answer in a way that puts someone in danger.
I've noted this story on RF before. The gist is that a man noted for his honesty and integrity is sitting on a rock. A young woman runs up and pleads for help because rapists and murderers are chasing her.
He tells the woman to hide and then moves to another rock. When the rapists run up, he tells them he's seen no one since he's been sitting there. That is 100% factual but allows the criminals to draw the wrong conclusion in order to save the woman.
To answer the "bum" question, there are many possibilities. You might be able to say that you noticed the color of the dress does not flatter her or that it does not go with her eye color for one. Or you might smile, give her a kiss and tell her you love her just as she is. Or you might smile and joke with her about the classic question. Or you might note how slim she really is and say that if the dress causes her to ask that question, it's probably not what she wants. Or many other possibilities.
Marriage is an invitation to be loving, honest and tactful.
osgart
Nothing my eye, Something for sure
I make my best effort to give each situation what it truly deserves. That's how I define honesty; giving what is deserved.
Honesty is the basis of trust in any relationship.
Honesty is the basis of cooperation, and a worthy society.
Honesty is the only way to get things done.
Some people define honesty as telling the truth. That's not a complete definition. Sometimes truth isn't deserved.
I define telling the truth to be information that is shared that is well deserved or very good to deliver. I define goodness as that which is worthy. True love is of ultimate worth for example.
So honesty to me is always good and beneficial.
Truth is always just and honest.
No controversy there.
Honesty is the basis of trust in any relationship.
Honesty is the basis of cooperation, and a worthy society.
Honesty is the only way to get things done.
Some people define honesty as telling the truth. That's not a complete definition. Sometimes truth isn't deserved.
I define telling the truth to be information that is shared that is well deserved or very good to deliver. I define goodness as that which is worthy. True love is of ultimate worth for example.
So honesty to me is always good and beneficial.
Truth is always just and honest.
No controversy there.
Say "No. You look even more beautiful than First Lady Abigail Lincoln."
First of all, there are places and situations in which you must never lie. Identify these, and never lie therein. All other situations are less important.
Remember, too, that truth in one context can become a lie in a different context. If you know or suspect the context will change, remain silent; or you are lying. But you may not always have the option of remaining silent.
Altfish
Veteran Member
She'd know I was lying, I've never heard of Abigail Lincoln and I bet my wife hasn't either.
Then say "There is nothing sexier than a wife whose dress protects her feet from the rain." which is true in many contexts. There is nothing sexier.
Why is honesty good?
To me, this is an irrelevant question because humanity cannot exist without honesty being the default behavior. Humans are social animals for whom language and communication are essential. Communication breaks down utterly when honesty is not the default.
To me, this is an irrelevant question because humanity cannot exist without honesty being the default behavior. Humans are social animals for whom language and communication are essential. Communication breaks down utterly when honesty is not the default.
We Never Know
No Slack
Why is honesty good?
Is it because a God told us not to lie?
Or are their real benefits in being honest.
Should we always try to be honest?
Are their times when being honest is bad?
What is honesty?
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
Always telling the truth.
We Never Know
No Slack
Who's truth?
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
Your own truth. The truth about yourself.
Gargovic Malkav
Well-Known Member
When you can't figure that out, I can imagine being honest becomes impossible.
Reminds me of when I dig deep into my own psyche and try to translate what's going on into words as I need some kind or narrative, a "mythology" so to speak to turn that abstract inner cosmos into a language that can be understood by another.
But because there are different ways to look at it, it becomes very hard to be consistent.
Still, there are things that can remind you what honesty means.
Like when you catch your kid stealing candy from the jar, but your kid doesn't know you know yet.
You decide to confront them with it.
There's a good chance their initial response will be denial (although their body language will like betray them).
rational experiences
Veteran Member
Honesty.... men of science had destroyed all life on earth.
Even dug up their own evidence machine. Proven.
Bible a testimony about machine.
Book shut humans hand oath said I swear to tell the truth and only the truth.
You wouldn't write human warnings for humans unless it was the truth.
Even dug up their own evidence machine. Proven.
Bible a testimony about machine.
Book shut humans hand oath said I swear to tell the truth and only the truth.
You wouldn't write human warnings for humans unless it was the truth.
firedragon
Veteran Member
Cmon WNK. Just truth. Even if it's a subjective or objective truth, stating the truth as you know it is "speaking the truth". Projection and lying or as some put it nicely "making things up" is "not telling the truth".