Honesty?

[We Never Know]

Cmon WNK. Just truth. Even if it's a subjective or objective truth, stating the truth as you know it is "speaking the truth". Projection and lying or as some put it nicely "making things up" is "not telling the truth".

C'mon firedragon...

Truth to some is a god does exist
Truth to some is a god doesn't exist.

Each individual has what they see as truth. They each see and experience the world through their own eyes and truth itself can vary from person to person.

 

[firedragon]

C'mon firedragon...

Truth to some is a god does exist
Truth to some is a god doesn't exist.

Each individual has what they see as truth. They each see and experience the world through their own eyes and truth itself can vary from person to person.

That's exactly what I said. Thanks for reiterating.

So state the truth. It's simple. What ever your truth is, state the truth.

 

[We Never Know]

That's exactly what I said. Thanks for reiterating.

So state the truth. It's simple. What ever your truth is, state the truth.

Which is exactly my point in my post #36 you replied to.

"Who's truth" meaning not all have the same truth.

 

[Aupmanyav]

Should we always try to be honest?
Are their times when being honest is bad?

Yeah, we should, otherwise we will need to create fiction.
Hindi proverb: 'Ek jhoot ko chhipāne ke liye sau jhoot bolne padte hain."
(To hide one lie, you have to speak a hundred lies)
The old story when a murderer pursuing a victim, asks 'which way did he go?'. Being honest will be bad here.

 

[Gargovic Malkav]

Why is honesty good?

To me, this is an irrelevant question because humanity cannot exist without honesty being the default behavior. Humans are social animals for whom language and communication are essential. Communication breaks down utterly when honesty is not the default.

When you put it that way, are there any things you consider "good"?
Or do you have an indifference or an aversion to the word because of its subjective nature?

 

[stvdv]

Why is honesty good?

Root cause why honesty is called "good" = Humans are judgmental, hence think in Duality (good and bad)

 

[stvdv]

Is it because a God told us not to lie?

No

IF God told you "Do not lie" THEN you would not lie
God (Scriptures) advise you not to lie

 

[stvdv]

Or are their real benefits in being honest.

Yes

When in duality there is the benefit to get Self Realization
When Self Realized, well, it's just your nature to be honest

 

[stvdv]

Should we always try to be honest?

I prefer to say "Should we always act according to our Dharma (be honest)"
Dharma covers the loopholes answering "Should we always be honest"

 

[stvdv]

Are their times when being honest is bad?

Bad is just a human concept

Being honest is never bad
Being honest can cause hurt

But in the end Truth shines

 

[blü 2]

Why is honesty good?
Is it because a God told us not to lie?
Or are their real benefits in being honest.

Should we always try to be honest?
Are their times when being honest is bad?​

Honesty isn't automatically good. It can, for instance,
─ constitute the crime of treason,
─ get you convicted of your own crimes,
─ put you on the wrong end of a suit for breach of confidential information,
─ see you charged with contempt of court,
─ put your love life severely out of joint, maybe even get you murdered,
and so on.

The potential benefits of honesty include being trusted by others, sleeping better at night, and upholding the ideal of truth in our understanding of life, the universe and everything.

 

[firedragon]

Which is exactly my point in my post #36 you replied to.

"Who's truth" meaning not all have the same truth.

Its absurd. Just because a second party may have their own subjective truth, you don't have your own truth?

Bogus.

 

[syo]

Honest or dead. All people should be honest.

 

[We Never Know]

Its absurd. Just because a second party may have their own subjective truth, you don't have your own truth?

Bogus.

Wow! Thats what you got out of this?

""Who's truth" meaning not all have the same truth."

 

[RestlessSoul]

Start with oneself, otherwise all the rest is window-dressing. As pointed out, it usually takes effort to keep up with and track even the slightest untruth, with even such being noticed by others so as for them to question your overall truthfulness. But we all tend to lie in little or big ways if the circumstances arise - mostly as to not telling the truth so as to not offend others. Usually it is pretty plain as to whether people lie as soon as they open their mouths. Possibly some of you will have met those who continually exaggerate, or name drop at every opportunity.

To thine own self be true. And it must follow, as the night the day, thou canst not then be false to any man.

 

[nPeace]

Why is honesty good?
Is it because a God told us not to lie?
Or are their real benefits in being honest.

Should we always try to be honest?
Are their times when being honest is bad?​

Why is honesty good?
Is it because a God told us not to lie?​

Honesty is good, because it's a virtue, which is written in the laws of morality.
It's similar to the laws of nature, or the universe.
We wouldn't ask if the laws of gravity are good, because anyone says so.
Rather, we understand that those laws are set, as a governing principle.
Same with the laws of morality.

...are their real benefits in being honest.

Should we always try to be honest?
Are their times when being honest is bad?​

Are there benefits to obeying the laws of gravity?
We know the answer.
The same principle applies to honesty.
When we go against laws of morality - like honesty, expect the consequences.
Like going against gravity, we never fail to see the consequences. It's a given... at some point in time, even if not immediately. we will see the consequences of dishonesty.

 

[nPeace]

How do I answer this question from my wife?

"Does my bum look big in this dress?"

If it does. Yes honey.

However, if we have one of those wives that like to hear only things that they like to - whether true or false, and we are afraid we will be sleeping on the couch for the rest of the month, or until she "cools down", you can say, "The dress looks a bit tight, so it doesn't hide your curves. Might be better to wear something a bit more loose, if you aren't comfortable / for this occasion."

Nah. Just be honest. If she's getting a bit heavy in her backside, just tell her she needs to cut down on eating so much junk. Just Kidding.

 

[Quintessence]

When you put it that way, are there any things you consider "good"?
Or do you have an indifference or an aversion to the word because of its subjective nature?

Just like honesty in communication is sort of an innate requirement of humans, so is inevitably making value judgements like "good" or "bad" in spite of the universe being fundamentally neither. I am to be mindful of that fact, while cultivating a way of life that focuses on things I value and worship. Living the "good life" requires one to know who one is, what one belongs to, and create myths/tales of meaning (value); aka, religion in a nutshell. I do as all the humans do.

On communication specifically, dishonesty brings needless discord far more often than not. Add to that adherence to virtue ethics - being true to oneself and who one is - my nature simply isn't that of a pathological liar. Never has been, never will be. I will leave the pathological lying to the pathological liars.

 

[firedragon]

Wow! Thats what you got out of this?

""Who's truth" meaning not all have the same truth."

That's exactly what I said mate. Truth could be subjective. Third time.

But when I say something, I am speaking the truth. My truth. If am to speak about someone elses truth, I will still say "thatis his truth" which statement is said based on my truth.

Hope you can understand that.

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[blü 2]

That's exactly what I said mate. Truth could be subjective. Third time.

But when I say something, I am speaking the truth. My truth. If am to speak about someone elses truth, I will still say "thatis his truth" which statement is said based on my truth.

Hope you can understand that.

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My definition of 'truth' says that truth is a quality of statements, and that a statement is true to the extent that it accurately reflects / corresponds with objective reality ─ the 'correspondence' definition'.

One of its attractions is that it provides an objective test for 'truth'.

What definition do you use? How do you tell whether any particular statement is 'true' or not?