How about we defund UNRWA ?

[icehorse]

Recently @oldbadger asked how we could end the conflict in Israel and Gaza?

Here's an interesting take:

- Eliminate UNRWA, since it's really not doing what it was supposed to be doing.
- Provide aid ONLY for those Palestinians who relinquish their refugee status and declare they will not pursue a "right of return".

As a bit of history, Palestinians have now claimed to be "refugees" for 75 years! Across the globe, 10s of millions of refugees from other conflicts have moved to a new home and dropped their refugee status. Why not the Palestinians? Well, UNRWA has been using its funds to help keep the violent "right of return" dream alive.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Yes, we know you hate the Palestinians and view them as lesser. No need to constantly remind us with these disgusting "proposals".

 

[icehorse]

Yes, we know you hate the Palestinians and view them as lesser. No need to constantly remind us with these disgusting "proposals".

Far from hating Palestinians, this idea gives them a future, which Hamas clearly is not giving them.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Far from hating Palestinians, this idea gives them a future, which Hamas clearly is not giving them.

You are literally calling for the Palestinians to accept being ethnically cleansed from their homeland!

 

[icehorse]

You are literally calling for the Palestinians to accept being ethnically cleansed from their homeland!

So Gaza and the WB are not their homeland?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

So Gaza and the WB are not their homeland?

Of course Palestine is the homeland of the Palestinians.

 

[icehorse]

Of course Palestine is the homeland of the Palestinians.

And what exactly constitutes Palestine?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

And what exactly constitutes Palestine?

The West Bank, Gaza and East Jerusalem. Now why don't you tell us what areas you think constitute Israel?

 

[icehorse]

The West Bank, Gaza and East Jerusalem. Now why don't you tell us what areas you think constitute Israel?

For the sake of discussion, let's take your definition of Palestine, and say Israel is the rest of where Israelis live.

So how does my proposal "literally" constitute ethnic cleansing?

 

[MayPeaceBeUpOnYou]

Eliminate UNRWA, since it's really not doing what it was supposed to be doing

Remind us again what was the purpose of the UN creating UNWRA?

 

[icehorse]

Remind us again what was the purpose of the UN creating UNWRA?

UNRWA was created 75 years ago to provide relief to refugees of the 1948 war.

So, back to the OP, that was 75 years ago. Why are there still refugees 75 years later? There have been numerous conflicts in the last 75 years that have made 10s of millions of people refugees. They've all made new homes for themselves, except the Palestinians.

 

[MayPeaceBeUpOnYou]

UNRWA was created 75 years ago to provide relief to refugees of the 1948 war.

So, back to the OP, that was 75 years ago. Why are there still refugees 75 years later? There have been numerous conflicts in the last 75 years that have made 10s of millions of people refugees. They've all made new homes for themselves, except the Palestinians.

And how does unwra not doing what it’s supposed to do?

 

[icehorse]

And how does unwra not doing what it’s supposed to do?

I will answer you, but first I want to hear where you're coming from. How would you describe the life of Gazans 13 months ago, before Hamas attacked? Did they have good lives?

 

[MayPeaceBeUpOnYou]

I will answer you, but first I want to hear where you're coming from. How would you describe the life of Gazans 13 months ago, before Hamas attacked? Did they have good lives?

i am not there yet. I am just trying to understand this thread since its unclear.

If you are of the opinion that unwra is not doing what it supposed to do, I like to know what exactly are they not doing.

 

[icehorse]

i am not there yet. I am just trying to understand this thread since its unclear.

If you are of the opinion that unwra is not doing what it supposed to do, I like to know what exactly are they not doing.

Would you accept this as a good description of what they're supposed to be doing?:

UNRWA - Wikipedia

 

[MayPeaceBeUpOnYou]

Would you accept this as a good description of what they're supposed to be doing?:

UNRWA - Wikipedia

Yes I read it before I responded to your thread.

Is there a reason why you are avoiding my questing?

I am simple asking for you to explain the meaning of the words you are using.

 

[icehorse]

Yes I read it before I responded to your thread.

Is there a reason why you are avoiding my questing?

I am simple asking for you to explain the meaning of the words you are using.

Ok, now do you think UNRWA has been doing what the wiki article said they were supposed to be doing in Gaza? Have they been doing "human development"? Have any Gazans stopped being considered "refugees"?

 

[MayPeaceBeUpOnYou]

Ok, now do you think UNRWA has been doing what the wiki article said they were supposed to be doing in Gaza? Have they been doing "human development"? Have any Gazans stopped being considered "refugees"?

Just to clarify, I didn’t answer your question.
I said yes I read the article.

I dont know much how and what exactly the UN accepted from UNWRA but I am open to learn.

Human development en stopped being refugees.
So you are saying these 2 things UNWRA is not doing anymore.

So human development, don’t know the details but it seems like they have projects in play.. or is there something specific you like to adres because it’s a very broad field?

https://www.unrwa.org/resources/strategy-policy/unrwa-and-sustainable-development-goals-sdgs

Is UNWRA job to stop refugees considered to be refugees. Last time I checked the UN assumed this was a temporary solution for the refugee problem until a 2 state solution is made?

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Here's an interesting take:

- Eliminate UNRWA, since it's really not doing what it was supposed to be doing.

Interesting as in startlingly stupid and callous. Read UNRWA, and try to read it thoughtfully and objectively.

 

[icehorse]

Interesting as in startlingly stupid and callous. Read UNRWA, and try to read it thoughtfully and objectively.

Because..? Because it's not at all callous to allow Palestinians to remain refugees indefinitely?