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How about we defund UNRWA ?

Godobeyer

the word "Islam" means "submission" to God
Premium Member
Its known that the UNRWA textbooks teach children to become Jew haters. I posted about it well before Israel made these allegations at the UN. In 2021 Biden renewed the (canceled) contract with UNRWA on the basis of the Framework for Cooperation document which would require UNRWA in future:
"to implement various reforms, including combating incitement and antisemitism in its educational curriculum, requiring the neutrality of its staff, and ensuring UNRWA facilities are not used by terrorist organizations and its staff are not affiliated with them..." according to the 2021 article in Foreign Policy. Link here: "https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/11/05/unrwa-palestine-israel-refugees-united-states-funding-corruption-education/"

I notice that the article gives a false impression. "The allegations" Israel makes about textbooks are not recent, not new and are only made by Israel. They are facts, so the article misleads about them.


I don't know about a sudden change.

If the framework and its 2021 form is enforced (which I don't have any way of knowing if it is) then its really too little too late anyway. All of this time the UNRWA funding has been teaching children to hate their neighboring country. Pulling funding now may be the wrong move. May be. It could be the right move if you have something to replace it. Simply cutting the funding without some kind of other framework might be a bad idea, however I do not trust the UNRWA which is at least partly responsible for the current war.
UNRWA teaching to hate Jews?
Actually i find this joke.
Anyway, what the fault of Palestinians starvation because Israel accused
UNRWA.

Should we take everything told by Israel, as fact? Because lies of 40 beheaded babies some people still believe it.

There is Ocean of evidence that Israel is racist apartheid regime.

Must be rejected by all the free human world.
 

icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
Premium Member
UNRWA teaching to hate Jews?
Actually i find this joke.
Anyway, what the fault of Palestinians starvation because Israel accused
UNRWA.

Should we take everything told by Israel, as fact? Because lies of 40 beheaded babies some people still believe it.

There is Ocean of evidence that Israel is racist apartheid regime.

Must be rejected by all the free human world.

Do you think Islamists should share any of the blame for this horrible situation?
 

Godobeyer

the word "Islam" means "submission" to God
Premium Member
Do you think Islamists should share any of the blame for this horrible situation?
Hamas has already their justifications (sieged Gaza ,and Palestinians hostages) .But I am sure you understand my views .
Many said Israel don't have the right to defend for it self , because it's occupation country , beside it's racist regime.
I won't ask you to agree with me , but this is reality that most of people agreed with.

Do you heard about original sin (eating the appel ) ?
pressure someone,then when react/resist,which suppose blame most ?
 

Godobeyer

the word "Islam" means "submission" to God
Premium Member
@icehorse you blame radical Muslims, but you don't blame entire racist regime?

In their beliefs it's ok to kill children and women of "enemy" , do you agreed with that evil calls?


I find it's hard for pro Israel, to be fair, and had human sense same as all people.

I feel like am trying reviving humanity receipts here. Zionism and Islamophipia blind mind in issue of human sense.
 

icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
Premium Member
@Godobeyer - I haven't said what I think about Israel. I think this is a very complex situation. One reason I think it's complex is because people tend not to be honest about Islamism. If we cannot be honest about Islamism, we will never find good solutions.

So I will ask you again: Do you think Islamists share any blame for this situation?
 

Godobeyer

the word "Islam" means "submission" to God
Premium Member
@Godobeyer - I haven't said what I think about Israel. I think this is a very complex situation. One reason I think it's complex is because people tend not to be honest about Islamism. If we cannot be honest about Islamism, we will never find good solutions.

So I will ask you again: Do you think Islamists share any blame for this situation?
I total honest with you about everything , I don't find any complexity in the situation.
maybe you have compexity to respond my questions honest way.

I understand your view ,but it's totally wrong.
being Islamism not forcelly mean you are bad or evil .
it's just following God instruction in personal.
If Islam was against Jews or Judaism, Muslims won't saved the jews ww2,they won't be welcome to Palestine.
definitly you will find some are evil , don't follow Allah instructions.
So since Hamas is Islamic ,they don't have the right to defend for their people ?

Israel called the voilence against Muslims by allowing Israelit provoking Masjid Alaqsa , and destruction of mosques in Gaza and Lebanon.
Compare individual crimes of Hamas to Israeli regime is unfair, because Israel staticlly and reality more evil and criminal.

I explain my view about Islamist or Islamic or Muslim, can you explain your view "think" about Israel regime don't have any negative issues or bad treats against Palestinians ?
 

MayPeaceBeUpOnYou

Active Member
@icehorse you blame radical Muslims, but you don't blame entire racist regime?

In their beliefs it's ok to kill children and women of "enemy" , do you agreed with that evil calls?


I find it's hard for pro Israel, to be fair, and had human sense same as all people.

I feel like am trying reviving humanity receipts here. Zionism and Islamophipia blind mind in issue of human sense.
@icehorse is in delusional that this conflict is because of ‘Islamist’. He is questioning the effects of occupation instead of questioning the cause of why the indigenous people of Palestine are resisting..

This is a sad attempt of pro-Israël puppets to convince the world that Israel is fighting a global war against ‘Islamist’ which will be beneficial for the westerners. This way Israel is still regarded as the only ‘democracy’ in the Middle East which may continue the slaughter of the indigenous people of Palestine in the name of self defense.
 

icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
Premium Member
I total honest with you about everything , I don't find any complexity in the situation.
maybe you have compexity to respond my questions honest way.

I understand your view ,but it's totally wrong.
being Islamism not forcelly mean you are bad or evil .
it's just following God instruction in personal.
If Islam was against Jews or Judaism, Muslims won't saved the jews ww2,they won't be welcome to Palestine.
definitly you will find some are evil , don't follow Allah instructions.
So since Hamas is Islamic ,they don't have the right to defend for their people ?

Israel called the voilence against Muslims by allowing Israelit provoking Masjid Alaqsa , and destruction of mosques in Gaza and Lebanon.
Compare individual crimes of Hamas to Israeli regime is unfair, because Israel staticlly and reality more evil and criminal.

I explain my view about Islamist or Islamic or Muslim, can you explain your view "think" about Israel regime don't have any negative issues or bad treats against Palestinians ?

I define Islamists as those Muslims that want to spread theocracy around the world. This is in direct opposition to western, secular society. Now some Islamists are also terrorists. Hamas is an example of a terrorist organization.

Now you might say that Islam is a religion of peace, and the desire to spread Islam is just "following god's instructions" as you say.

But the reality is that for the last 1400 years, when Islamists spread Islam to other countries, they are usually violent oppressors and colonizers.

So in my opinion, we cannot productively discuss the horrible situation in Gaza as long as we deny what Islamism means.

So, how do you define Islamism?
 

Godobeyer

the word "Islam" means "submission" to God
Premium Member
@icehorse is in delusional that this conflict is because of ‘Islamist’. He is questioning the effects of occupation instead of questioning the cause of why the indigenous people of Palestine are resisting..

This is a sad attempt of pro-Israël puppets to convince the world that Israel is fighting a global war against ‘Islamist’ which will be beneficial for the westerners. This way Israel is still regarded as the only ‘democracy’ in the Middle East which may continue the slaughter of the indigenous people of Palestine in the name of self defense.
Absolutely true.
They focus on group Islamists extremists,which no threaten to anyone except they defend for their people. Don't have any racist idealogy or allowance of killing innocents teaching.

But don't focus on racist regime Israel,idealogy Which allow to kill children and women during the war.

Killing and Starvation 2 million people for more than one year, show that the West still have root of racism, which come from support the chosen people, and white.

I believe Western media is totally biased and controlled, don't show reality of Israel regime.
 

Godobeyer

the word "Islam" means "submission" to God
Premium Member
I define Islamists as those Muslims that want to spread theocracy around the world. This is in direct opposition to western, secular society. Now some Islamists are also terrorists. Hamas is an example of a terrorist organization.
The West spread their democracy by peace in Iraq and Vietnam and Afghanistan, Libya.

Bombs of democracy were dropped.
Now you might say that Islam is a religion of peace, and the desire to spread Islam is just "following god's instructions" as you say.

But the reality is that for the last 1400 years, when Islamists spread Islam to other countries, they are usually violent oppressors and colonizers.

So in my opinion, we cannot productively discuss the horrible situation in Gaza as long as we deny what Islamism means.

So, how do you define Islamism?
I know that in West you consider Hamas, as terrorists, even Algerian fighters against France called so.

If about Stick labbels on killers, Israel regime by fair conclusion will be top terrorist regime.

So why don't consider Israel regime as terrorist country by fairness?.

Islamist or not Islamist, every one defend for his land or honor from West, called terrorist.

so Vietnames were terrorists fighting USA, or terrorist label only for Muslims?

There are big difference between criminal individual and criminal idealogy regime.

Criminal racist regime more dangerous than individual.
 

icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
Premium Member
@Godobeyer - It would seem that you are unwilling to place any blame whatsoever on Islamists.

As long as Muslims take that stance, no peace will ever be possible :(
 

Godobeyer

the word "Islam" means "submission" to God
Premium Member
@icehorse my believe that racist regime is main problem.
Islamists or islamics or islamos are just don't have racist idealogy threaten all humanity.

I never see hostage waving his/her terrorists.

The media and West and anyone support Israel, which accept their crimes even by word . Is involved, as I religious i believe in God just, in judgment day. All will be asked.
 

Godobeyer

the word "Islam" means "submission" to God
Premium Member
@Godobeyer - It would seem that you are unwilling to place any blame whatsoever on Islamists.

As long as Muslims take that stance, no peace will ever be possible :(
No peace possible because zionist racist regime. Same as German nazi before.
How you can deal with person consider superior human?

It's normal islamist or even satanics would fight for their land and dignity.

Hope you understand my point.
 

icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
Premium Member
No peace possible because zionist racist regime. Same as German nazi before.
How you can deal with person consider superior human?

It's normal islamist or even satanics would fight for their land and dignity.

Hope you understand my point.

I think what you're saying is that all the blame for Gaza is on Israel. Is that your opinion?
 

muhammad_isa

Veteran Member
Why is Iran all tied to North Korea, China and Russia?
Iran has sanctions against them, and so does Russia.
Basically, it means that the west intend to oppress nations they don't agree with.

..so it is no surprise that nations oppressed by the west, will seek alternative solutions.
 

muhammad_isa

Veteran Member
I define Islamists as those Muslims that want to spread theocracy around the world..
I'm sure you do .. just as communists are people who want to spread their philosophy etc.
In fact, anything that you don't agree with, you have some kind of derogatory term.

You want to spread Mc. Donalds around the world .. that's OK :)
 

muhammad_isa

Veteran Member
I think what you're saying is that all the blame for Gaza is on Israel. Is that your opinion?
What does "blame for Gaza" mean? It could mean many different things.

If you mean blame for the destruction of more than half of its infrastructure, and
the killing and maiming of women and children .. then no .. Israel is not entirely to blame.

The west carries the most blame, as they have supplied the means of destruction.
i.e. 1000's of 2000lb bombs that cause death and mass destruction.

Responsible people don't do that .. western political institutions have been compromised
by bribes and so on. :expressionless:
 

icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
Premium Member
I'm sure you do .. just as communists are people who want to spread their philosophy etc.
In fact, anything that you don't agree with, you have some kind of derogatory term.

You want to spread Mc. Donalds around the world .. that's OK :)

Do you agree that some Muslims want to spread Sharia? Not all Muslims, just some. If so, and if you don't like the term "Islamist", then what term do you think we should use to describe Muslims who want to spread Sharia?

I don't think "Islamist" is a derogatory term, it just describes some Muslims.
 
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