Including those of us who seek to under your views.
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How about we defund UNRWA ?
- Thread starter icehorse
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How would you prefer to name Israel's enemies if not "Arabs". I'm happy to say "Muslims"..
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All gods are great.
So they returned the Golan Heights? When, and how? Because there is much evidence that Israel still doesn’t like it much when those whose land it is try to live there.
беспокойный путешественни
All gods are great.
I think the least controversial term would be Palestinians.
But their list of enemies is broader than that, including (in the past and now), Egypt, Jordan, Iran, Syria...
I think we must consider the broader context of this situation if we're every going to find peace.
As an example, something like 20,000 French civilians died during the D-Day invasion. Would you say the allies were in the wrong to perform D-Day?
I have not said anything specific about the Golan Heights. I was responding more generally to your claim that:
And I gave the example of the aftermath of 1967 and the gift of 2005 as refutation of your claim (above).
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All gods are great.
Killing civilians makes you the bad guy. That’s not quite the same thing as what you implied though. However, I generally can’t compare these two things anyway. The Palestinians aren’t Hitler. Israel is committing a genocide here, so the Palestinians should probably be compared to the allies then.
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All gods are great.
Please compare the map from 1947 with the more current map again and then repeat your statement that my “claim” that Israel keeps occupying land that isn’t theirs was wrong. Just for the laughs.
Kathryn
It was on fire when I laid down on it.
I am guessing you mean "underSTAND my views." Here are my views: I am fiscally conservative and socially more liberal. I am tired of paying for everything and everyone (so it seems). I am tired of writing checks to the IRS while so many others get a "refund." I don't much care what other people's political views are as long as they treat me the way I would want to be treated in their shoes. Mostly I stay out of peoples' way and they stay out of my way. I don't anticipate much, if any, violence during election or swearing in season. I am curious about how the stock market will react if Trump wins but other than that I am not into it at all. I think that Trump screwed with the wrong people and it is showing now. I don't care for either Harris or Trump. I don't like Big Government. I think that most of the time, if the government gets involved, it's typically bad, though I do see a role for a limited government. I believe in Term Limits for all state and federal government positions. I have already voted and didn't vote for either Harris or Trump. Those are pretty much my views.
To get a tax refund, just overpay your taxes.
It works for me.
Kathryn
It was on fire when I laid down on it.
I don't do that anymore, now that I am retired. And I would have to overpay them by a LOT.
During wars, civilians always die, it sucks, but that's how it goes, and this war started by Hamas is no exception.
As for the Palestinians being Hitler, of course they're not, but Hamas is pretty close to Hitler. Hamas's long time stated declarations are to entirely eliminate the Jews, seem pretty close to Hitler, correct?
Again, context. Over the last 75 years Israel's land holdings have ebbed and flowed. So to pick one snap shot of time doesn't reveal much. And again, when an attacker loses territory in a war, that's tough luck for the attacker. Over the years various groups have attacked Israel, and when they lose land in the process, well that's just how wars always go.
Since you and all pro Israel see Hamas is only the problem.
There will be no peace.
The main problem is Israel oppression racist regime, who try to ethics cleaning them and kick them from their land.
You blame victims how and why they resist from evil.
I always give you links that Israel oppression the Palestinians,you never criticism Israel.
To be fair,and honest, and equal to all humans, is hard for pro Israel, that proof that root of racism active.
Well I thought we could have a more thoughful debate, but you continue to put words in my mouth. peace.
Kathryn
It was on fire when I laid down on it.
You were called a racist. LOL!
The term "bigot" is more appropriate when it's about things other than race.
I don't put anything in your mouth.
You defending for Israel, as only victim.
Actually, I never ever read you critizing Israel crimes.
They said, Unfortunately, There is no shop of humanity or fairness. It's just intern values.
You accused UN which you said UN work for Hamas is insane, taken lies of Israel as facts!!
I will be happy if that's not true, or me misunderstood people here.
This is a very complex situation. It requires some calmness and precision to discuss it. When you can bring calmness and precision to this debate, I'll be here. Until then, be well.
Here's a definition of "bigotry" that I found. Do you think this is a good definition?