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How about we defund UNRWA ?

Andrew Stephen

Stephen Andrew
Premium Member
Peace to all,

TO me the rationale follows, “The Father is made of none, neither created nor begotten.” From him proceed the other two Persons. For this reason, he is rightly called the First Person, not chronologically first, but ontologically first by way of origin.[4] He is also called the “principle without principle.”

Peace always,
Stephen
 

muhammad_isa

Veteran Member
Well, we have the same problem with (some) Muslims and clerics in India. They support and engage in terrorist activities..
..and of course, Hindus are peace loving people, and never put a foot wrong.. :expressionless:

The problems today, are exacerbated by the growing globalization of the world.
It's not easy for any govt. to please all its citizens, and have some kind of foreign policy
that does not alienate others.

India treads the middle ground, having good relations with the west AND the global south.
It would seem that at some point, it will have to choose its destination .. It cannot expect to
be 'on the fence' indefinitely .. the nation is to big for that.
 

Andrew Stephen

Stephen Andrew
Premium Member
Peace to all,

“.. It cannot expect to
be 'on the fence' indefinitely .. the nation is to big for that.” Muhammad_isa

Thanks, So true Muhammad, God bless you and thanks to all for prayers

Get answers for all, by Stephen A

To me, we no longer want to straddle the fence, but remove the fences.

To me, the word is the eternal authority of spirit and life, and becomes flesh to unite all as one in being in the spirit through the flesh for the souls of all mankind in the one God. For the one father through the one son for the love of the One Mother.

This is the logic in the intelligence of the fulfilled heaven and earth, thenew heaven.

To me, this is the rationale and logic for world peace.

Peace always,
Stephen
 
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muhammad_isa

Veteran Member
We will keep sitting on the fence, it has served us well in the last 75 years..
That does not mean you can continue to do so.
Kazan in Russia (where recent BRICS conference), is around 50% Muslims for example.

It is important for most of us, that Muslims feel secure in their respective nations .. the US
doesn't seem to care .. and nor do you, it would appear. :expressionless:
 

Andrew Stephen

Stephen Andrew
Premium Member
Peace to all,

"..and of course, Hindus are peace loving people, and never put a foot wrong.. :expressionless:
The problems today, are exacerbated by the growing globalization of the world.
It's not easy for any govt. to please all its citizens, and have some kind of foreign policy
that does not alienate others.
India treads the middle ground, having good relations with the west AND the global south.
It would seem that at some point, it will have to choose its destination .. It cannot expect to
be 'on the fence' indefinitely .. the nation is to big for that. " Muhammad_isa

Thanks Muhammad, God Bless you, thanks for your energy, please pray for all for world peace

Where many different dividends become one dividend, reinvestment, And some say it is not fair, our time for His time.

What do you think, Muhammad I offered a solution and it doesn’t appear to be anything new to me. We just have to get them to follow.

To me the solution follows, what happens is The US in fighting a Political War siding allies with Israel. And Netanyahu tells the Muslims, the original Canaanites and Palestinians, the indigenous people of the area that Israel and with it's allies are fighting a Holy War. Most in US do not understand this failed logic, this wrong rationale. and we ask for how long the fighting will last against all mankinds brothers and sisters. It is called by a different name with some sides.

A ’neutrality breach’ according to UNRWA’s definition is “taking sides in hostilities or engaging in controversies of a political, racial, religious, or ideological nature.”

To me where the logic fails is where one or all engaging in controversies of a political, racial, religious, or ideological nature saying they are not not engaging in all of the controversies but logically and rationally and faithfully are engaging in doing so in all cases. All are fighting a Holy War weather one knows it or not/

We back Netanyahu, politically and he says he is fighting a Holy war, religiously with our help, politically. And we are siding the one faith and not the other faith. And faith teaches us not to judge others, only ourselves. I think they both could realize Jesus is God and both sides are not sure how humainly to become united as One in Being. The Leap of The Faith of Abraham is in The New Temple and is the Body of all Mankind becoming again. "St. John is Elijah in Spirit and Power" said, Jesus and Jesus has already come. The second coming for all mankind from transformed immortal and incorruptible is through glorification and transfiguration into the image of The Creator and One God for the One Father from the Love of The One Mother, by the Power of the Person of the Holy Spirit and is the Trinity of The Godhead as The Holy Trinity applies to The Trinity of the Body from created, transformed and becoming again transfigured, glorified in the Body of All Mankind, all Sons and Daughters of God united in being.

"In him all the fullness of God was pleased to dwell, and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether on earth or in heaven, making peace by the blood of his cross."

The logic and rationale follow From created corrupt from the spirit and mortal through the flesh we are Baptized sanctified from the incorruptible spirit through the incorruptible flesh from The New Eve, The Immaculate Conception delivering the mind of God and the Person of the Holy Spirit Person conceived in the Person of Jesus through The Christ in all mankind and through death and resurrection reconciled to Himself we are re-sanctified and confirmed becoming again united as One in being together from the Power of the Holy Spirit Person through the One Son glorified and transfigured into the image of the Creator and God for The One Father from the Love of The One Mother.

Logically and rationally, In 1948 the UN split Israel politically, into two states but Jesus has already come to unite all as one in being spiritually. We know we are only to judge ourselves, and not to judge others. This displaced some people, indigenous, logically and rationally. "Logical thinking refers to the form - deductions and inductions adhere to logical form of progression, conclusions are reached only in a logically valid manner. Rational thinking refers to content, and is a qualitative judgment as to whether the correct angles have been considered and taken into consideration." Search Labs, AI overview

To me I think the first person we tell is Our New President, President Trump, financially he may understand, but what is money, not everything, and in some cases nothing when compared to problems in morality unfulfilled, for he needs to help in World Order, nobody even knows till now what we need to do, and now we can help all.
Get him to read this, I love President Trump, and we know not to judge but only ourselves. He can read this, his IQ I guess is 157, and a brilliant mind, just short on World Order logic and understanding the Intelligence of Creation and the Mind of God, properly, that's all.

To me the intellectual logic I see in Trump is that he gets the smartest people and 100% completes all objectives with respect to the intelligence of his chosen. The manifestation of his intrinsic intelligence and of those he chooses poduces the desired state, what state do we choose? The intelligence of Creation is the Will of The Father that will never fail with infallible certainty and the solution always follows the pattern exactally as," What would Jesus do in all cases of fulfilled faith and morality". The logical mind of God delivered in the Person of The Holy Spirit through the Person of Jesus is in the becoming of the Christ, from the uncorruptible spirit through the immortal flesh becoming in all mankind. To me we are all sons and daughters of God, perhaps here's proof, logically, rationally and from the Faith of Abraham.

My IQ is perhaps 107 and I understand the logic and rationale, but no way will the finite disciplines ever understand the intelligence of creation.

See what he thinks, because he moved it, perhaps not completely understanding my logic and rational. I am sure President Trump will agree with me, and the Intelligence of Creation from where I follow, also. and I say with 100% confidence, he will want to talk about this asap.

I just had a quick question, Why was the embassy moved? In the first place?

To me it's like the US slaps Islam in the face religiously when in 2018 the US moved the Embassy to Jerusalem from Tel Aviv and take ourselves off the peace negotiations table between Israel and Islam, because we really do not understand the world order of religion, just political. Are we actually fighting a Holy was against the Muslims and Islam? Prophet Muhammad who reminds us all of the One God? "He is God the One, God the eternal. He begot no one nor was He begotten. No one is comparable to Him".

To me rationally, And Jesus making cousins into brothers with now One Father with One Name, the God of Jacob, and Abraham and Isaac, all the same God with different names, becoming the One God and through One Son through One Mother, from Sarah and Haggar and Ishmael Jacob and Isaac, for all mankind united.

And we know we do not judge others but ourselves religiously, and logically and politically and moralily and faithfully.

To me, Jesus came to fulfill all faith and morality with the New Living Sacrifice. The Animal sacrifice in the Old Temple returns only the soul to the center of the Earth, The Bosom of Abraham, and the New Living Sacrifice, The Body of Christ in all mankind returns from the spirit through the flesh for the souls from Out of The Bosom of Abraham, to the New Heaven and Earth, Heaven, for all, and the letter to unite all as One in Being.

To me with understanding this letter makes President Trump the most powerful person on the planet, and for all.

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Peace always,
Stephen Andrew
Catholic
To me, There is no greater work possible than for the salvation of souls
 
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Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
It is important for most of us, that Muslims feel secure in their respective nations .. the US
doesn't seem to care .. and nor do you, it would appear. :expressionless:
Muslims are perfectly safe in India (they are getting all the facilities that the Hindus get), though Muslim traditions may not be safe (instant talaq, child marriage, polygamy, inheritance, maintainance of divorced wife). Equal rights is a foundation stone for our constitution. They will have to change with time. If they are in India, they have to follow the Indian Constitution. It is only the clerics and separatists who resent that. We will take care of them.
 

muhammad_isa

Veteran Member
Muslims are perfectly safe in India (they are getting all the facilities that the Hindus get)..
That is not what I refer to..
The US is supporting Israel, against "terrorists" .. who appear to be the indigenous population
in surrounding nations.

That is a threat to the vast majority of nations in the world, as it appears that the west
considers Muslims who fight for their freedom, terrorists.

..but they don't consider the Israelis who destroy women, children and infrastructure on a vast
scale "terrorists", as it is in their interests.
In fact, the US is complicit in the destruction.
 

Andrew Stephen

Stephen Andrew
Premium Member
Peace to all,

“who appear to be the indigenous population
in surrounding nations.” Muhammad_isa

To me, the spirit is the common denominator in faith and spirit based systems. Some see the spirit as a force for a power, but Catholics see the spirit as a person in being equal in the power of transfiguration with the person of the father in creation and the person of the son, in the power of transformation each separate in person and equal in power, and together as one God in being. What is shared in all mankind is the Holy Spirit left behind at the cross delivered through the person of Jesus becoming the transformed immortal and incorruptible Christ in all mankind becoming again the image of the creator, God for the one Father, glorified and transfigured through the second coming. James Peter and John were told not to talk about the Glorious Transfiguration until after His Resurrection, and they all do in their gospels.

To me, the logic of the intelligence of creation and the mind of God knows that there are many wrongs, but only one right.

Look logically what happened to the area of the Canaanites and the Palestinians in 1948 when it was separated into two state.

To be the logic follows what God has joined together and let no man separate.

We know only to judge ourselves and who is it that we do not judge? oh yes, others.

I think if we can get this in the right hand of the right person we can get this issue resolved.

Peace always,
Stephen
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icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
Premium Member
That is not what I refer to..
The US is supporting Israel, against "terrorists" .. who appear to be the indigenous population
in surrounding nations.

That is a threat to the vast majority of nations in the world, as it appears that the west
considers Muslims who fight for their freedom, terrorists.

..but they don't consider the Israelis who destroy women, children and infrastructure on a vast
scale "terrorists", as it is in their interests.
In fact, the US is complicit in the destruction.

I think it's important to see the bigger context. Muslims appear to support terrorists who terrorize various indigenous populations throughout the ME. The Kurds, Yazidis, and Coptics come to mind, and there are more.
 

muhammad_isa

Veteran Member
Israel/Muslim conflict is a religious conflict.
I would say its more about the fact that the plight of Palestinians has still not been
resolved since the 1950's.
..so it becomes more of a political issue than anything else.

It's a cop out, to claim that Muslims are to blame because they are guilty of "terrorism".
Any nation that is oppressed will fight back in any way they can.

It is no surprise that the so-called 'axis of resistance' is mainly of shia groups. We only have to
look at the last few decades, to see how the west has bombed Muslim nations all
over the region .. because its "in their interests".

Is this going to continue, do you think? :expressionless:

I doubt it .. I don't believe that wealth and power is the ultimate moral authority.
 

muhammad_isa

Veteran Member
I think it's important to see the bigger context. Muslims appear to support terrorists who terrorize various indigenous populations throughout the ME. The Kurds, Yazidis, and Coptics come to mind, and there are more.
That game is coming to an end .. this divide and rule that the west is so fond of.
 

Andrew Stephen

Stephen Andrew
Premium Member
Peace to all,

What else could everybody do to help everybody get united?

Would that fix it?

Peace always,
Stephen
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
What else could everybody do to help everybody get united?
Would that fix it?
These peace phrases never fixed anything.
You can't help it. What is going to happen will happen.

Hindi proverb: "Hui hai vahi jo Ram rachi rakha, ko kari tarak badhavahi sakha." (Tulsi Ramayana)

The first line asserts divine creation or will. Tulsidas encourages individuals to recognize and accept the unfolding of events with a sense of surrender and devotion to Lord Rama (for Hindus).
The second line, questions the need for excessive argumentation or reasoning. The poet suggests that expanding the branches of unnecessary arguments is futile.

See now, Trump won.
 
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Andrew Stephen

Stephen Andrew
Premium Member
Peace to all,

To me Hindu follows the intelligence of Creation, created mortal and transformed and transfigured into the fulfilled intelligence of the Pattern of fulfilled Divine creation, to me and fulfilled creation becomes the reimaging logic applied becoming from eternal authority and spirit and life and is what would the Divine Spirit do in all cases of fulflled faith and morality, from mortality to eternal divinity.

True, Aupmanyav, thanks and Trump won but why did he move the embassy? Religiously? or politically?
To me hands down he undertands the financial condition, and the finite disciplines of economics is beyond my scope of understanding, and following the will of creation seems so logical to me. To me, All laws apply to all finite disciplines from the Will of creation.
Thanks in advance, we know not to judge, but to understand when some ask why was the embassy moved?

Ganesha is a Hindu god with the head of an elephant and the body of a human, and is known as the remover of obstacles. Different names of the same God fulfilled through Christ, making brothers out of cousins of all mankind.

The Elephant God of The Old Covenant has only one head, and the fulfilled Elephant God has three.

"And the master commended that dishonest steward for acting prudently.
For the children of this world
are more prudent in dealing with their own generation
than the children of light.”

And Christ fulfilles faith and morality for eternal life to the soul Ganesha speaks of through three heads, becoming one head and now applies to the Body.

Together, we think logically and rationally what is the Christ? It is the mind of God in the flesh of a human. It’s two people becoming in one becoming three united and second becoming one in being.

This is the information someone like a great leader Trump could do something good with once he understands. This would fulfill world order, faith, and morality.

The mind of God and the intelligence of creation becomes united in being together For world, peace, and world order.

Peace always,
Stephen
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icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
Premium Member
I would say its more about the fact that the plight of Palestinians has still not been
resolved since the 1950's.
..so it becomes more of a political issue than anything else.

It's a cop out, to claim that Muslims are to blame because they are guilty of "terrorism".
Any nation that is oppressed will fight back in any way they can.

It is no surprise that the so-called 'axis of resistance' is mainly of shia groups. We only have to
look at the last few decades, to see how the west has bombed Muslim nations all
over the region .. because its "in their interests".

Is this going to continue, do you think? :expressionless:

I doubt it .. I don't believe that wealth and power is the ultimate moral authority.
I'm no fan of the west's horrible interventions in the ME.

That said, Islamism is much older than the 1950s, so you need to dig a little deeper to try to deflect blame from this oppressive, colonizing world view.
 

Andrew Stephen

Stephen Andrew
Premium Member
Peace to all,

To me The word IS present before creation was ever created was even created, and the word is a person in being and is eternal authority of spirit and life and is the Holy Spirit.

To me The world view earthly can separate but the world order eternal only unites.

To me how the mind of God works is The intelligence of creation conceived to earth through the flesh of a human from the Immaculate Conception through the Virgin Birth of the Christ, what the Muslims, Islam and Catholics understand and what Profit Muhammad reminds us of the One God unbegotten for all mankind becoming again, glorified and transfigured into the image of the creator and One God for the One Father through the love of the One Mother by the power of the Holy Spirit.

Peace always,
Stephen
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