You mean that Muslims shouldn't try to fight oppressors, because they have so many 2000 lb. bombs, and can do nothing about it?
I mean that people should think rationally and strategically if they care about outcomes following their choices. They are best served by thinking, "When I choose course of action A1, it predictably leads to result R1. When I choose course of action A2, it predictably leads to result R2. I should make my choices according to expected outcomes and preferences."
The alternative is to keep repeating actions that don't work, which most people don't want, but often can't see that that is what is happening, and so keep repeating failed strategies, hence the cliche, "'Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
Patently false .. Iran, Hezbollah and Hamas want to negotiate, but Israel / US carry on due to believing that they can get "a good deal for Israel"
That was a response to, "
The Muslims here are beginning to convince me that their culture says to fight whatever the circumstances and whatever the consequences. None seem interested in any other approach, and if it's a strong cultural value
here on RF, I assume that that is also the mindset of most Palestinians."
I was referring to you and the other Muslims posting here and extrapolating your apparent attitude to the average Gazan.
Regarding Hamas, they may be too late to negotiate. Netanyahu seems to want Hamas extirpated from the earth, and he seems willing to sacrifice hostages and Israeli soldiers to do it. That may not have been the response Hamas anticipated or one the UN accepts, but they've poked the bear and my not be able to stop him.
Are you planning to address either of my theses at any point:
- I see no evidence of Muslims here on RF or elsewhere accepting any blame for events or any acceptance Israel's response.
- It is better for captives to act rationally and strategically than emotionally.
I don't expect any of you to express any opinion other than that Israel is entirely in the wrong, Hamas is entirely justified in murdering Israelis and taking many hostage, and by refusing to discuss the second point, implying that the Palestinians should attack the Israelis whatever or how predictable the outcome.
And if that is representative of Muslim culture in general, there will never be lasting peace in the Middle Eastern or are the Arabs interested in peace, and by peace, I don't mean peace and freedom, just the cessation of terrorism from a position of captivity. It seems that you agree and approve.
If your next reply doesn't address either of those bullet points but goes on endorsing a failed strategy without attempting to justify why it's a good choice or why none of you find any fault in Hamas, then I probably won't answer it. Remember why I entered this thread
here. It was to discuss pragmatics, not Muslims' grievances. I don't say that you are unjustified, just that the discussion isn't one I want to be a part of.
can you help me get Israel and Islam to accept Christ?
No. And you can't get them to do that, either.
And what good would that do? Russia and Ukraine are both Christian nations, so accepting Christ doesn't do much for world peace.
