How Africa is being exploited by banking élites. How US Democrats are on the wrong side.

[mikkel_the_dane]

It's a worldwide problem.
...

So you have a point. And it is a worldwide problem, so why make this about the West as such?

 

[Estro Felino]

So you have a point. And it is a worldwide problem, so why make this about the West as such?

I am analyzing a specific case in Western Africa.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

I am analyzing a specific case in Western Africa.

Okay.

 

[muhammad_isa]

It's a worldwide problem..

Indeed, it is..

A study by the World Institute for Development Economics Research at United Nations University reported that the richest 1% of adults alone owned 40% of global assets in the year 2000. The three richest people in the world possess more financial assets than the lowest 48 nations combined. The combined wealth of the "10 million dollar millionaires" grew to nearly $41 trillion in 2008.
- Wikipedia -

This is the result of the usurious global financial system, and not smart entrepreneurs.

Well, that is not usury as such.

What isn't?
Controlling inflation to 2% by raising interest rates is usurious policy that increases the wealth of the wealthy and oppresses the poor.

You don't really think that that is the only way of controlling inflation, do you??

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

So I think that intervention by Western nations in general isn't based on altruism.

The UN, is not "the west".

So the resolution gives a reason for why they intervened but the question is, is that the real reason?

It is the reason that got it voted.

It's like in my competing store example.......
Just because it plays into my cards that the store is being closed down, the actual reason it is closed down is because of its fraudulent practices. Not because I didn't "like it".

I might have wanted it gone for plenty of other reasons. But that won't convince a court to shut it down.
In fact, I personally might not even care about the fraud. But the court does. What the court doesn't care about, are my personal feelings / ambitions.

So if you are trying to say that the UN didn't care about the warcrimes and instead just let the resolution pass to cater to the feelings and ambitions of the French... then bring evidence of that.

And having spoken to Libyans myself, they have said that they loved Gadaffi

I'm guessing you didn't speak to any Libyans who their entire families massacred by him and his forces then.

I believe that even if Gaddaffi didnt commit these crimes, he would have been killed.

Perhaps. We'll never know.
It would have been a crime in that case.

It wasn't the way it actually happened.

If the UN didnt give the go ahead the CIA would have gotten rid of him.

Perhaps, but that's pure speculation off course.
But as I said, if that would have been the case, I would have agreed it was a crime.

In reality things arent black and white. Countries do good and bad. Power in general should be kept in check because power corrupts absolutely.

Sure, I didn't claim otherwise.
I'm just objecting to the point concerning Gaddafi and the reason for the intervention.
It's pure revisionist history to try and claim the reason was hillary emails or whatever french motive.

It was not.

That it was convenient for them that Gaddafi happened to be guilty of war crimes which then allowed them to draft and pass this security council resolution, is off no consequence. They went after him in the correct way.

Let's draw another analogy... let's consider someone like John Gotti, boss of the Gambino family of the Sicilian mafia in New York.
The FBI most definitely wanted to get rid of him. The media called him the "teflon don" because they couldn't manage to put him in jail. He beat every court case they threw at him, which allowed him to walk the streets like a free man for years and years.

They could have just sniped him. They had hundreds and hundreds of opportunities to do so. But they didn't. Instead, they went after him in the correct manner: gathering evidence, building a case, bringing it in front of a judge and have him convicted.

It took loads and loads of man hours, resources, dangerous operation to bug places to get tapes, countless man-hours to listen to said tapes and piece it all together.
Millions and millions of dollars went into it. All of it could have been replaced with a single strategic bullet.

I feel the same about this whole Gaddafi thing. I don't care how much they wanted him gone and for what reason. The point is, they went after him in the correct way: through gathering evidence, building a case, bringing it before the UN and have it voted to get a proper mandate to intervene.

The US tried doing this for their Iraq war. They failed miserably. Primarily because they were lying about the evidence. They didn't get a mandate and then still went in there with their "coalition of the willing". It was horrible and illegal. No matter how disgusting and brutal a dictator Saddam Hussein was... It's like with Gotti: get him in the correct way. Don't just put a bullet in his head to be done with it.

The USA's protection of Israel is why I don't trust the wests moral grandstanding and the reasons they say they do things. But other countries, like mine, do the same so by no means am I villainising the west at the exclusion of villainising every other nation.

Sure. But again: the UN is not just the west.
It in fact exists to give proper mandates in the "correct" way. It's an organization that is supposed to serve as a protection against countries that only act out of self-interest - no matter if their actions are justified or not.



This is why I have no problems at all with the whole Gaddafi thing. It was done correctly, no matter what "other" motives they may have had.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Nevertheless ...I think that I am 100% sure.,..that if I remained alone with Zelenskii and Putin for 72 hours, I would make them sign an armistice and a treaty of peace.

Unless Putin poisons the both of you, off course.

 

[Estro Felino]

Unless Putin poisons the both of you, off course.

Conspiracy theories about Russia are annoying.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Tell me: what do you think of our PM?

Far-right wing populist with roots in neo-fascism.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Conspiracy theories about Russia are annoying.

lol

Not a conspiracy theory.
The Ukrainian delegation, along with Russian oligarch Roman Abramovich (who was there as part of the Russians at the requests of Ukraine), were poisoned during the negotiations in march 2022.

This is documented.


Also, kind of hilarious to see YOU complain about someone supposedly engaging in conspiracy theories........ Pot, meet kettle.

 

[Estro Felino]

Far-right wing populist with roots in neo-fascism.

The best compliment ever.


But it was obvious... you side with Macron Le BonBon...a man born in a very elitist environment...very Rothschild-like milieu.

 

[Estro Felino]

lol

Not a conspiracy theory.
The Ukrainian delegation, along with Russian oligarch Roman Abramovich (who was there as part of the Russians at the requests of Ukraine), were poisoned during the negotiations in march 2022.

This is documented.


Also, kind of hilarious to see YOU complain about someone supposedly engaging in conspiracy theories........ Pot, meet kettle.

But what a coincidence ...so many Italian diplomats and politicians go to Russia and nothing happens to them.
Maybe because we don't swallow that propaganda of the poisonings?

 

[muhammad_isa]

But what a coincidence ...so many Italian diplomats and politicians go to Russia and nothing happens to them.
Maybe because we don't swallow that propaganda of the poisonings?

If Russia built up forces around your coast, claiming to the world they were exercises, and
then embarked on "a special military operation" and attacked Rome, would you still believe
what they say?

Of course, that is only hypothetical, because that is not likely happen .. not anytime soon.
Ukraine's 'guilt', is that they chose to align themselves with the EU, rather than Putin.

Either way, it's a complete mess, which needs to be addressed .. like Israel, it's a lot to do
with the legacy of the WWars .. and the arrogance of those with worldly power.

 

[Estro Felino]

Either way, it's a complete mess, which needs to be addressed .. like Israel, it's a lot to do
with the legacy of the WWars .. and the arrogance of those with worldly power.

Maybe you don't understand.
There is an elitist cabal of warmongers who want both the Ukrainian War and the Gazan War to continue undefinitedly.

Unlike the hypocritical and incoherent Left-Wing, I want both wars to terminate today.
Whereas those warmongers want the Ukrainian War to continue until the last Ukrainian soldier is dead.

 

[muhammad_isa]

Maybe you don't understand.
There is an elitist cabal of warmongers who want both the Ukrainian War and the Gazan War to continue undefinitedly.

Unlike the hypocritical and incoherent Left-Wing, I want both wars to terminate today.
Whereas those warmongers want the Ukrainian War to continue until the last Ukrainian soldier is dead.

I don't base my views on 'conspiracy theories' .. extreme political views of any 'stripe' are
undesirable and lead to conflict and violence, imo.

What does a far-right wing govt. politically have in common with a far-left wing govt. ?
They might both despise the power and wealth of the West, but other than that .. not much.

Despising others' wealth is understandable, but often hypocritical as when they have power,
they also abuse it.

 

[Estro Felino]

I don't base my views on 'conspiracy theories' .. extreme political views of any 'stripe' are
undesirable and lead to conflict and violence, imo.

What does a far-right wing govt. politically have in common with a far-left wing govt. ?
They might both despise the power and wealth of the West, but other than that .. not much.

Despising others' wealth is understandable, but often hypocritical as when they have power,
they also abuse it.

May I ask you what religion do you profess?

 

[GoodAttention]

If Russia built up forces around your coast, claiming to the world they were exercises, and
then embarked on "a special military operation" and attacked Rome, would you still believe
what they say?

Of course, that is only hypothetical, because that is not likely happen .. not anytime soon.
Ukraine's 'guilt', is that they chose to align themselves with the EU, rather than Putin.

Either way, it's a complete mess, which needs to be addressed .. like Israel, it's a lot to do
with the legacy of the WWars .. and the arrogance of those with worldly power.

 

[RabbiO]

May I ask you what religion do you profess?

@muhammad_isa is a Muslim, as noted on his profile page and, when relevant, in his posts on the forum.

 

[Estro Felino]

Despising others' wealth is understandable, but often hypocritical as when they have power,
they also abuse it.

I don't despise others' wealth.
I think they deserve the wealth they acquired honestly.

But the Seigniorage is legalized usury.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

The best compliment ever.

I consider it more of a warning then a compliment, but whatever.
Right wing neo-fascism in general isn't exactly good news for the society at large...

But it was obvious... you side with Macron Le BonBon...a man born in a very elitist environment...very Rothschild-like milieu.

I barely even know the man or what his policies are.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

But what a coincidence ...so many Italian diplomats and politicians go to Russia and nothing happens to them.

Why would they try to poison people that they aren't invading and trying to conquer?

Maybe because we don't swallow that propaganda of the poisonings?

Again, this is documented.