How are these Great Beings explained?

[Vinayaka]

Consider that is your view and not ours. When has it been said we do not accept who you are and your choices? In fact many a time we have said you are free to be who and what you wish to be.

That we supply answers from the Baha'i Writings that challenge the depth of thought on these matters, does not then say there is no acceptance.

Be well and happy always.

Regards Tony

Of course it's not your view, Tony. I know that. Here is the view about Baha'i' and homosexuality from a group that works on religious tolerance. The Baha'i faith and homosexuality

From that site: Shoghi Effendi, the last person capable of changing the authoritative interpretation of its holy texts confirmed that homosexual behavior, same-sex marriage, etc. is unacceptable.

Sounds like no acceptance to me, unless you're now saying that unacceptable means something different than not accepting. Those are Effendi's words, not mine. So you disagree with Effendi?

 

[Vinayaka]

They are all we can know of God. They are the Attributes, we will never know the essence of God. This was explained back further in the discussion.

Can the table know the craftsman, can the painting know the Painter....NO. (Essence)

But does the table display the skills of the craftsman and the painting show the beauty of the artist...YES. (Attributes)

Muhammad is Shown in the Bible through Daniel and Revelation.

The others are the Many Other Folds talked about by Christ.

Regards Tony

Yes, those are Baha'i' beliefs, but not mankinds. The very goal of Hinduism is to know the essence of God.

Goal of Life is God-Realisation

We live in different worlds.

 

[CG Didymus]

They're wrong.

Since it comes from the prophet/manifestation or his infallible son, that makes the founder of the Baha'i Faith wrong. So what are they? Just one of many false religions?

 

[CG Didymus]

Yes, those are Baha'i' beliefs, but not mankinds. The very goal of Hinduism is to know the essence of God.

Goal of Life is God-Realisation

We live in different worlds.

Can a table or paint know anything? If humans are physical and spiritual beings that can think and feel on the physical level, who knows what is possible on the spiritual level. For the Baha'is to compare humans to a table and paint is not a very good comparison.

 

[CG Didymus]

As we read through the chapter Acts 1 we soon come to the following verses:

9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.
10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;
11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

If you want to understand it literally, it makes no sense. We have a man rising up into the sky which is likened to heaven.

I doubt if you believe this to be true, and most Christians are too attached to their literal understanding to see it any other way.

But what about the verses I quoted. Luke says they met with Jesus and he was alive. Is Luke wrong?

 

[CG Didymus]

i second his motion.
bahai works for you. you work for bahai. i will refrain from commenting on bahai if you refrain from teaching us how to view krishna or our godsx330mill and counting..

if you read my comment is mine vs yours ..wrong.
if your read it as ...if you wish to teach bahai - teach bahai don't say we include krishna and we have an opinion about him..just give bahu'lla pbuh's teachings pure. and to learn about krishna door open 24x7 ..which door is correct ..you decide for self and let other decide thier own door/guru/ teacher. thats how we keep peace.

They can't refrain, because they believe the people that told them what to believe about other religions is God's prophet and infallible... and are obligated to "teach" the truth that the promised one of all religions has come... and brought the correct, original teachings of the other religions. So no matter how nice they present it, or try to be cordial about it, they believe they are right and we're all wrong.

 

[CG Didymus]

I don't know if Buddhism or Hinduism are 'related' to Christianity or not. There are similarities between them. They are not necessarily related to each other.
To me, Jewish Faith and Christianity may be said are related, since Messiah is the Promised One of Jews, and Jesus said, He is that Messiah. Christianity and Islam are related in a sense that Muhammad said, Jesus had spoken of Him as a future Prophet.
Why does it matter if Hinduism and Christianity are related or not?

It's the Baha'is that say they are related. It's the Baha'is that say they are not very related to Islam. To me, Hinduism, Jainism and Buddhism are very related. But, they very unrelated to Christianity.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

You said posts ago that you can't find differences only similarities. I understand the similarities you talk about and read all bahaullah's quotes about it.

Are you willing to learn about my view (or ours)?

We can't change our views but hopefully, because we differ in views we can learn from each other--if you want to.

I have changed my views many times over the years, we will always do this in life. If we are not willing to change nothing new can be found.

I am now currently Interested as to what God wants for Humanity. That is why I responded as to "How the Great Beings are Explained".

Thus I am interested as to how we all find our unity in knowing the One God.

Correct me if I'm wrong, @Vinayaka, but I feel this is why you are 100 percent incorrect about Krishna. When you meditate (or so have you), you "become" or are interconnected with the attributes of god. They communicate as attributes. I assume Hindu know the difference between a Krishna statue and experience Krishna himself.

You confirmed what was offered. Though you brought in statues?

Vinayaka, below has corrected your reply.

Yes, those are Baha'i' beliefs, but not mankinds. The very goal of Hinduism is to know the essence of God.

That Goal can not be reached, even for the Great Beings. It is good to know that, as then we can divert our energies in to what we can acheive in this life.

Karlita has offered the Solution Above.

Regards Tony

 

[CG Didymus]

I think this idea that religion x is better for you, and religion y is better for me, is not logical at all.
There is only one human in nature. Thus, only one religion is better for humanity. We just need to be fair, and think which religion has better teachings for all humanity. It is like saying, for a person spoiled food is better, for another person fresh food. Or for a person new cloths are better, for another person old and damaged cloth. That is illogical. That is how religion is. It has a expiry date. When its expiry date is passed, it is like a spoiled food, or expired medicine. It would be like an old and damaged cloth. It is always better to use the fresh food, or the new cloths. So, it is best to investigate which religion is the most recent divinely revealed religion, and what are its evidence that is divinely revealed.

I took a few classed in Cultural Anthropology and some about Religions. The religions of the various people were described as believed and practiced by the followers of that religion. No judgement whether they were right or wrong. The religions of tribal people were similar to each other. Then many of the religions of larger civilizations had a lot of mythical gods and god/men. Again, very similar.

For those tribes and for those civilizations like the Greeks and Romans, everybody believed and lived by those religions. They had only one religion. I'd say none of those religions was "The Truth". I think people made their religion based on what they thought was true. They didn't necessarily come from "The God" trying to progressively teach them.

You say religions have an expiration date? Some tribal religions are still practiced. Hmmm? Since Hinduism is such a big part of this thread's discussion, then maybe you can tell me when it expired? When Buddha came? Or, Zoroaster? Or, Jesus? Why hasn't it expired yet?

Divinely revealed? What about the golden plates that Joseph Smith found? Why not follow the Book of Mormon?

 

[Vinayaka]

That Goal can not be reached, even for the Great Beings. It is good to know that, as then we can divert our energies in to what we can acheive in this life.

Regards Tony

Yes those are Baha'i' beliefs. Not Hindus. Baha'i' beliefs are not facts.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

They can't refrain, because they believe the people that told them what to believe about other religions is God's prophet and infallible... and are obligated to "teach" the truth that the promised one of all religions has come... and brought the correct, original teachings of the other religions. So no matter how nice they present it, or try to be cordial about it, they believe they are right and we're all wrong.

If no one asks a question, then from now on you can hear no reply.

Not one of Gods Messengers would have said One Word to Humanity as a whole, if it was not for God. But they do His Will.

Thus those that accept them, also do as they ask and that is share what was said.

Regards Tony

 

[CG Didymus]

It was repeatedly pointed out that, in Bible says Bahaullah comes. In Islamic Prophecies also, it is alluded to name of Bahaullah as the Manifestation of God.

What does the Hebrew word that is interpreted as "The Glory of God" mean and how is it used? Couldn't it be almost like saying, "God's love shone down"? Plus, saying someone is predicted doesn't count all that much when the name is a title given to a person. Like the person calling himself "Maitreya", I'm sure he's a very spiritual and charismatic person, but is he really the return of Buddha?

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Yes those are Baha'i' beliefs. Not Hindus. Baha'i' beliefs are not facts.

In all the years of Hindu Practice, has One Person as yet explained the Essence of God.

There is a whole world of growing athiests and many other followers of Faiths that would love it to be shared.

Regards Tony

 

[CG Didymus]

In Christian Bible, the Father is God, who was to be manifested at the end time, so, the believers see Him, face to face. Then God, the Father, Manifested Himself in the Person of Bahaullah, and the Prophecy is fulfilled. You can see Some Answered Questions, about Holy Spirit.

So does that make Jesus Baha'u'llah's son?

 

[CG Didymus]

My understanding is that God only does what's best for us. He is but a loving Father Who really cares. But often we are too emotionally involved to know what's best for us whereas God is All Knowing and in His wisdom often forbids things we can't see the reason for. But it's because He wants what's best for us that's all.

But God was, and still is, unsuccessful in stopping the behavior. Now science is saying that the people are wired that way. Are they right or wrong?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Thus I am interested as to how we all find our unity in knowing the One God.

You know what Ima say right? That is unrealistic because you accept diversity.

If you said you did not accept diversity among unity, then your view is your view.

Since you do-you brought humanity into your views-and you should be into ours--It works both ways.

Why don't you incorporate our ways as you feel we should do yours?

(Yes, you do; it's indirect and repeated throughout your posts; not negative, just sayin')

 

[Unveiled Artist]

So does that make Jesus Baha'u'llah's son?

Jesus is Bahaullah's Son???? Dont tell me that's true of Bahai belief (is that what you're saying @InvestigateTruth?)

 

[Vinayaka]

In all the years of Hindu Practice, has One Person as yet explained the Essence of God.

nobody has. Several have tried, sort of. That's very true. But what Hindus do say, Tony, is that it is beyond words. it's beyond time, form, and space. So obviously there is no intellectual explanation. It's beyond the intellect.

But lots of things can't be adequately explained by words. When you think about it words are incredibly limiting. The mystic sees that part of the intellect as a great barrier.

 

[DavidFirth]

Since it comes from the prophet/manifestation or his infallible son, that makes the founder of the Baha'i Faith wrong. So what are they? Just one of many false religions?

Be concerned with truth. Jesus Christ is truth.

 

[Vinayaka]

Jesus is Bahaullah's Son???? Dont tell me that's true of Bahai belief (is that what you're saying @InvestigateTruth?)

Who knows what they're saying any more, lol?