How are these Great Beings explained?

[RoaringSilence]

can you guys explain the obsession with building temples with such lavish designs , i get it baha ullah went through a hard time before he got his message or whatever .. but the elements that surround the promotion of this faith seem be to riding on some hard agendas making this even more creepy than what the sharia people demand.

whats about his message that makes you wanna build lavish temples compared to modest churches or modest mosques ?..
why did they go out of the way to create a "thao art language " seems like was a try hard attempt at making something sound holy or adding weight to content ?

To me it comes across as sharia dressed in new clothes .. you guys are pushing sharia in new clothes ..idea is the same ..to have religious law , maybe modern but the concept in itself is totalitarian, and surprisingly you guys see nothing wrong in totalitarianism ..based on the belief that since you see yourself as the final captian's of the ship , so everything is gonna be better. Besides the guys who are driving your faith , looks like they are LOADED with funds ..considering the lavish temples..someone with lots of money is pushing this agenda ..i wonder why...is it the faith in the message or is it something else.. does the promoter think that they wanna attract people based on golden temples..so you would become icons of a sort of a govt. with money ..and that in turn will attract all power mongers who wait for some big fish like you guys.

how do i convey to you guys that its wrong to want religious law or a unipolar world order? i can only point out that its not okay ..why it isn't okay ..i leave that for others to explain it to you.

I wish i would've been straight in asking these questions before instead of arguing on points of difference or giving suggestions indirectly.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Whats about his message that makes you wanna build lavish temples compared to modest churches or modest mosques ?..

"Build ye houses of worship throughout the lands in the name of Him Who is the Lord of all religions…Then, with radiance and joy, celebrate therein the praise of your Lord, the Most Compassionate." Bahá’u’lláh

The house of Worship is the heart of the community and the future will see the vision unfold.

In the future all Hospitals, Aged Care, Community Services, Welfare and Required Administration will be built around the House of Worship. It will be the heart pumping the Spiritual blood to all the community.

The future is most radiant.

Regards Tony

 

[RoaringSilence]

"Build ye houses of worship throughout the lands in the name of Him Who is the Lord of all religions…Then, with radiance and joy, celebrate therein the praise of your Lord, the Most Compassionate." Bahá’u’lláh

The house of Worship is the heart of the community and the future will see the vision unfold.

In the future all Hospitals, Aged Care, Community Services, Welfare and Required Administration will be built around the House of Worship. It will be the heart pumping the Spiritual blood to all the community.

The future is most radiant.

Regards Tony

how does one go about claiming to be lord of all religions without highlighting reincarnation and karma ? just coz its thao art language doesn't make it true.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

how does one go about claiming to be lord of all religions without highlighting reincarnation and karma ? just coz its thao art language doesn't make it true.

Yes Truth unfolds in its own way, it is God plan for man and not what man expects from God.

I offer Baha'u'llah has explained what is truly meant by Karma and Reincarnation. The thing here is it each one of us that has to explore this and decide for ourselves if this is so.

The Message of Baha'u'llah has covered the face of this earth in just over 150 years.

So some greet the Message and embrace it, Some see it as a good thing, but continue on their own path, some see it as misguided and some do not look. The time will come when many will see the influence of the Message of Baha'u'llah tear down long held barriers to our unity, when that time arrives, many will arise to fight its influence, as they see it threatens their hold over the minds of the masses.

I hope at this time you will appreciate that we Love all Humaity and will always be your friend.

Regards Tony

 

[RoaringSilence]

Yes Truth unfolds in its own way, it is God plan for man and not what man expects from God.

I offer Baha'u'llah has explained what is truly meant by Karma and Reincarnation. The thing here is it each one of us that has to explore this and decide for ourselves if this is so.

The Message of Baha'u'llah has covered the face of this earth in just over 150 years.

So some greet the Message and embrace it, Some see it as a good thing, but continue on their own path, some see it as misguided and some do not look. The time will come when many will see the influence of the Message of Baha'u'llah tear down long held barriers to our unity, when that time arrives, many will arise to fight its influence, as they see it threatens their hold over the minds of the masses.

I hope at this time you will appreciate that we Love all Humaity and will always be your friend.

Regards Tony

The message came from Guru nanak dev ji (GNDJ), along with instructions of what is expected from us , that message hasn't expired its use .
The message came from krishna it hasn't expired its validity .
If i hire reza aslan or somebody proficient enough to convert GNDJ's message in thao art language , will you build gurudwara's instead?
And help promote their social work? if no , then why not.

Ill answer this for you...you will not.. because your interest is "prophecy" about land ,kingdom and real estate interests of this planet. but our guru's were interested in the personal inner well being of humankind.
like adrian jumped straight to prophecy about the coming of kalki avatar , the prophecy is centric to how you function , without which you cannot RULE on people. For us it doesn't matter who owns what land or runs the kingdom of 3rd rock from the sun. to us what matters is who runs the kingdom of my body soul and mind..it starts and ends right there...both krishna and gndj's message starts and ends at a persons inner well being.

 

[Dawnofhope]

can you guys explain the obsession with building temples with such lavish designs , i get it baha ullah went through a hard time before he got his message or whatever .. but the elements that surround the promotion of this faith seem be to riding on some hard agendas making this even more creepy than what the sharia people demand.

whats about his message that makes you wanna build lavish temples compared to modest churches or modest mosques ?..
why did they go out of the way to create a "thao art language " seems like was a try hard attempt at making something sound holy or adding weight to content ?

To me it comes across as sharia dressed in new clothes .. you guys are pushing sharia in new clothes ..idea is the same ..to have religious law , maybe modern but the concept in itself is totalitarian, and surprisingly you guys see nothing wrong in totalitarianism ..based on the belief that since you see yourself as the final captian's of the ship , so everything is gonna be better. Besides the guys who are driving your faith , looks like they are LOADED with funds ..considering the lavish temples..someone with lots of money is pushing this agenda ..i wonder why...is it the faith in the message or is it something else.. does the promoter think that they wanna attract people based on golden temples..so you would become icons of a sort of a govt. with money ..and that in turn will attract all power mongers who wait for some big fish like you guys.

how do i convey to you guys that its wrong to want religious law or a unipolar world order? i can only point out that its not okay ..why it isn't okay ..i leave that for others to explain it to you.

I wish i would've been straight in asking these questions before instead of arguing on points of difference or giving suggestions indirectly.

The Baha'i temples in the future will be built in every town, and as indicated will have social services and administrative centres associated with them.

Most of the ones we have at present such as the Lotus temple in New Delhi are one the first temples for each continent, so are there to serve diverse groups of peoples from all over the world in contrast to our first local temple that has recently been build in Cambodia.

Bahá'í House of Worship - Wikipedia

Bahá'í House of Worship - Wikipedia

 

[Dawnofhope]

To me it comes across as sharia dressed in new clothes .. you guys are pushing sharia in new clothes ..idea is the same ..to have religious law , maybe modern but the concept in itself is totalitarian, and surprisingly you guys see nothing wrong in totalitarianism ..based on the belief that since you see yourself as the final captian's of the ship , so everything is gonna be better.

I'm not sure how you equate Baha'is laws with Sharia law?

Every community needs laws, and its finding the right laws to suit the age we live in and the requirements of each peoples.

The Baha'i laws are applied to Baha'is unless the world voluntarily chooses to become Baha'i and apply Baha'i laws. That doesn't seem likely to happen anytime soon.

The Baha'i Faith is a peaceful religion. People are free to join or leave based on a belief in Baha'u'llah.

 

[RoaringSilence]

The Baha'i temples in the future will be built in every town, and as indicated will have social services and administrative centres associated with them.

Most of the ones we have at present such as the Lotus temple in New Delhi are one the first temples for each continent, so are there to serve diverse groups of peoples from all over the world in contrast to our first local temple that has recently been build in Cambodia.

Bahá'í House of Worship - Wikipedia

Bahá'í House of Worship - Wikipedia

you are missing the real point dear, the guy who decided to build the first temple was someone who thought out the plan and vision of baiting with lavish styles. try to view things from my prospective and it wouldn't feel wrong that why i ask these questions.

 

[RoaringSilence]

I'm not sure how you equate Baha'is laws with Sharia law?

Every community needs laws, and its finding the right laws to suit the age we live in and the requirements of each peoples.

The Baha'i laws are applied to Baha'is unless the world voluntarily chooses to become Baha'i and apply Baha'i laws. That doesn't seem likely to happen anytime soon.

The Baha'i Faith is a peaceful religion. People are free to join or leave based on a belief in Baha'u'llah.

what's wrong with sharia law?

 

[Dawnofhope]

what's wrong with sharia law?

It is not a law that is applicable for today but a bygone era for a particular people.

We need new laws that are applicable for today.

Is there a specific Baha'i law you have a problem with?

 

[Dawnofhope]

you are missing the real point dear, the guy who decided to build the first temple was someone who thought out the plan and vision of baiting with lavish styles. try to view things from my prospective and it wouldn't feel wrong that why i ask these questions.

I do see it from your perspective but that is not where the Baha'is are coming from. We simply offer a temple where peoples of differing faiths can come together and worship.

 

[RoaringSilence]

It is not a law that is applicable for today but a bygone era for a particular people.

We need new laws that are applicable for today.

Is there a specific Baha'i law you have a problem with?

which time was it good for ? how does it change now when its coming from god directly.. was wasn't the time expiry date mentioned in quran.
i have a problem with all baha'i law coz i havent read any.
the problem is with the idea.
you say religious law is a modern idea from god. .haha no it isnt.. kindly read history of religious law and its impact its a historic idea of man and it has failed.

 

[Dawnofhope]

which time was it good for ? how does it change now when its coming from god directly.. was wasn't the time expiry date mentioned in quran.
i have a problem with all baha'i law coz i havent read any.
the problem is with the idea.
you say religious law is a modern idea from god. .haha no it isnt.. kindly read history of religious law and its impact its a historic idea of man and it has failed.

Punishments in the Quran and Torah were prescribed at a time when there wasn't available prisons and corrections facilities for the rehabilition of offenders. Cutting the hand off a thief was therefore the most practical measure for the Arabian peoples during the time of Muhammad.

That law is no longer applicable today. Why? Because reason and wisdom tell us.

So you haven't investigated any Baha'i law? OK.

Do you have a problem with the laws of the land where you live?

 

[RoaringSilence]

Punishments in the Quran and Torah were prescribed at a time when there wasn't available prisons and corrections facilities for the rehabilition of offenders. Cutting the hand off a thief was therefore the most practical measure for the Arabian peoples during the time of Muhammad.

That law is no longer applicable today. Why? Because reason and wisdom tell us.

So you haven't investigated any Baha'i law? OK.

Do you have a problem with the laws of the land where you live?

nope, im a law abiding citizen, so i know how to see religion and state separately, and that's how wisdom and reasoning tell us to keep them separated.
Religion is my inner well being and is a personal affair between me and my god. The state has no right to interfere.

 

[Dawnofhope]

nope, im a law abiding citizen, so i know how to see religion and state separately, and that's how wisdom and reasoning tell us to keep them separated.
Religion is my inner well being and is a personal affair between me and my god. The state has no right to interfere.

Seperation of religion and state is the best for now because of the historic mistrust and abuse of religion in the past. None of the religions of old have laws that would be suitable for your country nor mine.

 

[RoaringSilence]

Seperation of religion and state is the best for now because of the historic mistrust and abuse of religion in the past. None of the religions of old have laws that would be suitable for your country nor mine.

That's why we elect Wise men "OF THIS TIME" to make laws for us. and Wise men of religion to guide inner well being.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

The message came from Guru nanak dev ji (GNDJ), along with instructions of what is expected from us , that message hasn't expired its use .
The message came from krishna it hasn't expired its validity .
If i hire reza aslan or somebody proficient enough to convert GNDJ's message in thao art language , will you build gurudwara's instead?
And help promote their social work? if no , then why not.

Ill answer this for you...you will not.. because your interest is "prophecy" about land ,kingdom and real estate interests of this planet. but our guru's were interested in the personal inner well being of humankind.
like adrian jumped straight to prophecy about the coming of kalki avatar , the prophecy is centric to how you function , without which you cannot RULE on people. For us it doesn't matter who owns what land or runs the kingdom of 3rd rock from the sun. to us what matters is who runs the kingdom of my body soul and mind..it starts and ends right there...both krishna and gndj's message starts and ends at a persons inner well being.

This is central to the Messages that come from God, they are timeless. The important thing to know though, that with the Timeless Message also comes the specific guidance for the requirements of the age and people it is given to.

Also Central to the Message of Baha'u'llah is that it is not the World He Came for, but for the hearts of men. He came for our Spiritual Awakening, the Spiritual Salvation of the entire Human Race.

"Say: O people! Sow not the seeds of discord among men, and refrain from contending with your neighbor, for your Lord hath committed the world and the cities thereof to the care of the kings of the earth, and made them the emblems of His own power, by virtue of the sovereignty He hath chosen to bestow upon them. He hath refused to reserve for Himself any share whatever of this world’s dominion. To this He Who is Himself the Eternal Truth will testify. The things He hath reserved for Himself are the cities of men’s hearts, that He may cleanse them from all earthly defilements, and enable them to draw nigh unto the hallowed Spot which the hands of the infidel can never profane. Open, O people, the city of the human heart with the key of your utterance. Thus have We, according to a pre-ordained measure, prescribed unto you your duty."

We are from our heart Bless our One and Only God, together in a Unity that will be astounding.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

you are missing the real point dear, the guy who decided to build the first temple was someone who thought out the plan and vision of baiting with lavish styles. try to view things from my prospective and it wouldn't feel wrong that why i ask these questions.

That would be God and God Plan.

Regards Tony

 

[RoaringSilence]

This is central to the Messages that come from God, they are timeless. The important thing to know though, that with the Timeless Message also comes the specific guidance for the requirements of the age and people it is given to.

Also Central to the Message of Baha'u'llah is that it is not the World He Came for, but for the hearts of men. He came for our Spiritual Awakening, the Spiritual Salvation of the entire Human Race.

"Say: O people! Sow not the seeds of discord among men, and refrain from contending with your neighbor, for your Lord hath committed the world and the cities thereof to the care of the kings of the earth, and made them the emblems of His own power, by virtue of the sovereignty He hath chosen to bestow upon them. He hath refused to reserve for Himself any share whatever of this world’s dominion. To this He Who is Himself the Eternal Truth will testify. The things He hath reserved for Himself are the cities of men’s hearts, that He may cleanse them from all earthly defilements, and enable them to draw nigh unto the hallowed Spot which the hands of the infidel can never profane. Open, O people, the city of the human heart with the key of your utterance. Thus have We, according to a pre-ordained measure, prescribed unto you your duty."

We are from our heart Bless our One and Only God, together in a Unity that will be astounding.

Regards Tony

we don't need law , our country is doing a good job making laws. Maybe god sent bah ullah for just somalia or middle east, regional god sent.. just like u said gndj is a regional guru.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

That's why we elect Wise men "OF THIS TIME" to make laws for us. and Wise men of religion to guide inner well being.

That is important to learn from the wise. The Great Beings are a good point of reference.

Regards Tony